Comments for: Belfast lawmaker gets protection order against Brunswick legislator after breakup

Posted May 03, 2012, at 5:10 p.m.
Last modified May 04, 2012, at 10:37 a.m.

BELFAST | A Maine legislator whose romantic relationship with another lawmaker ended earlier this year claims her former boyfriend has stalked, harassed and threatened her. Rep. Erin Herbig, a first-term Belfast Democrat, has secured a protection from abuse order against Rep. Alexander Cornell du Houx, a two-term Democratic member …

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  • Bob

    How laws are really made 101 .

  • “This is just a messy breakup of a loving couple.” 

    That statement seems terribly revealing of Mr. Cornell du Houx’s skewed perception of the situation, as if he still feels that he’s involved in a loving relationship with her. She clearly seems to have moved on and his persistence is obviously intrusive and intimidating. 

    It’s good this has come to light so that (hopefully) it doesn’t progress into something worse.

    • Anonymous

      I knew they wern’t gonna be republicans because the headline would have read REPUBLICAN XXX SEX SCANDLE!!!! 

      • The PPH headline leaves out the party affiliation, and the article doesn’t list it until the second paragraph. When Rep. Wintle was arrested after having a mental breakdown, the word “Republican” was included in every headline and article, front and center. No bias at all.
        [/sarcasm]

      • Anonymous

        But I bet it would have at least been spelt right.

    • mainefem

      Batterers *always* trivialize, project blame,  and minimize.

      It’s part of the DV cycle!

      http://www.theduluthmodel.org/pdf/PowerandControl.pdf

      Nutting should’ve forced him out long ago.

      • Anonymous

        Absolutely! Thank you. The issues raised to the leadership of both parties should have raised enough of a red flag that they should have AT VERY LEAST initiated an internal investigation.

        Also, as we see here with 75% of these comments, friends, families, and communities too often turn a blind eye to DV issues… or worse, they blame the victim.

        • Read the articles — house leadership was informed back in February, and they have been dealing with the situation, within their legal abilities. They couldn’t do anything substantive until Herbig sought a court order. She didn’t do that until recently.

      • Anonymous

        Nutting should have forced him out???
        Did this article even imply that anyone outside of the Democrat leadership was ever informed?

      •  You keep making false allegations. Nobody has accused du Houx of being a “batterer.”

        You need help.

  • Anonymous

    I admit he sounds creepy, if not dangerous,  but is that the best photo you could get of a state rep? It’s almost like you went out of your way to cast him in the worst possible light. If I was his attorney, your fax machine would be singing !

  • Anonymous

     They should both remove themselves from State Government as their minds are not in the right place.  Yes I said both, she’s living in so much fear, and rightfully so,  that her mind must be elsewhere.  

    I say good luck to her,  hope it all works out, but…   This isn’t what we pay taxes for! 
     

    • Anonymous

      Are you kidding me?! Why should she have to resign her job because she has been threatened and is in fear? You clearly recognize that this isn’t her fault, so how is it right to punish someone because of the actions of another person? Does this apply toll women, or just legislators?

  • Anonymous

    Makes you wonder if the Governor wasn’t right when he referred to the legislature as “Maine’s largest adult daycare”.

    • StillRelaxin

      If that were true what does it say about Big Daddy who’s supposed to be providing them some kind of parental leadership? Perhaps it’s true that like a rotten fish governments or families all rot from the head down? Guns, Butts, Nepotism, Lies and now Misguided Loves. Have we ever seen a government in Maine so screwed up? It’s become like some kind of bad 80’s soap opera or 90’s screwball comedy. Never thought I’d see my State’s reputation sink so low so fast.

      •  Ridiculous. If you’re going to blame anyone for Democrats in disgrace, it seems to me you would blame the Democratic Party leadership — not the Governor.

        • StillRelaxin

          I didn’t start this line of discussion about LePage, beemare did. I only tried to expand it to reflect what I’ve personally seen happen to my State since GOP/Tea Party conservatives have taken the reigns of power. POOR LEADERSHIP at the top often leads to POOR BEHAVIOR from below. That’s just a fact of life and we’ve sure seen a bunch of bad behavior in government over the last year and a half. Like nothing we’ve ever seen before in our once peaceful “Vacationland.” Nor did I try to interject, as you did below mean spirited and unsubstantiated claims about this poor woman’s marital status. That’s just wrong Naran. Shame on you for making a horrifying situation for this poor women even more horrific.   It sure doesn’t show that you have much of a soft spot or insight for women’s issues.  Is that a conservative thing?

          •  Your comments make no sense. Read the posts on this page from many, speculating about her marital situation. Mine are the only ones you read, or are they just a convenient target?

            Meanwhile, the Governor, as I stated earlier, has nothing to do with Herbig’s poor choices, nor those of du Houx.  Nor did the Tea Party. Please.

            If you’re looking for “victims” in this situation, how about the taxpayers, who are stuck paying the CE funding, salaries and benefits for two adults making poor choices?

          • StillRelaxin

            Anyone speculating on her marital status is out of line. Your’s is the only one I had to read. It’s disgusting. The only thing we know from the story is that any husband would have been totally out of the pitcher as she and this fellow “According to him” (Which might be as reliable as hearing a rumor from the likes “Some folks” on here) had been living together for over a year and were engaged to be married. Don’t cha think a concerned husband might have been wondering where his wife was for the last year? If there was no concerned husband then it’s none of your, mine, or anyone else’s business!  Deflecting to others who may have done likewise doesn’t make your doing it more acceptable. Didn’t your parents ever teach you that? Golly, I hate playing the role of Big Daddy here. Where’s your absentee Big Daddy when I need him? 

          • Anonymous

            The article also has Herbig saying that the relationship started in late 2011 and ended in late 2012 it hardly seems possible for both to be true, Unless the relationship started after they were cohabitating

          • Anonymous

            Yes. Thank you for calling out the people on this board who seem to want to blame the victim, and even worse than that, seem to want to joke about it.

            Also, to confirm what you wrote, he was the one who said they were living together for “over a year.” She stated that the relationship began in “late 2011.” She first raised issues about his post-breakup threats in mid-February. So even if we take “late 2011” to mean September, that makes nothing even close to a year (4-5 months). Him claiming the relationship lasted longer than it did and being more than it was is a pretty routine distortion of the situation that is consistent with the charges she has raised about him.

            Also, when she and her husband were separated and/or divorced has nothing to do with whether or not she is being intimidated in the workplace and threatened and stalked at home.

          • If they want privacy, they are free to resign, and return to being private citizens.

            They cannot have it both ways.

            Public, elected figures don’t get to have messy break-ups requiring court orders completely in private.

          • Guest

            ******

          •  Is the word inaccurate? No. 

            It’s too bad that adults don’t choose to act like adults, instead of children.

          • Guest

            *****

    • Anonymous

      I’ve read this article and it sounds like a Jr. High spat between ex’s. Dating someone a person works with is often a bad idea and this article points out why. Now in the legislature, time and energy has been focused on this situation which in my opinion should have never happened. Dating coworkers can be messy. Now they serve as a distraction to others they work with. Yuck.

      • Anonymous

        If you honestly think the behavior outlined in this article is analogous to a spat between pre-teens, you need to educate yourself about domestic violence, stalking, and criminal terrorizing issues. If the accusations outlined in the protection order are true, we are talking about a very, very dangerous man.

        Yes, she was involved with someone she worked with. But how does that make it wrong for her to go to her boss and HR about being harassed and threatened in the workplace? In terms of issues that are any of the “taxpayers'” business, that is the only thing she has done that impacts them in any way.

        • mainefem

          Nutting and Cain should’ve dealt with him  directly *months* ago.

          It’s impossible for anyone to have a “safety plan” while serving in the legislature.

          Too many schedules & committee meetings, which are well-known in advance, and it’s waaaaay too easy to stalk.

          No excuses at all for him.

          Currently, there are no anti-fraternizing policies (which also need to change, dramatically).

          http://www.theduluthmodel.org/pdf/PowerandControl.pdf

          •  Again – read the articles. They did deal with it, and they are still dealing with it.

            Can you please post that link another 45,0000 times? We might have lost the other ones.

          • Anonymous

            Well, Naran, could *you* please re-post the same inane and–quite frankly–ignorant comment about how both of them need to resign because their situation is childish behavior?

            And before you get all worked up over the “ignorant” comment, you may want to consider the word’s actual definition. You keep choosing to ignore all of the information that is known about stalking, domestic violence, and abuse, and you are doing so in order to continue believing a line of reasoning that is completely irrational; namely, saying that you don’t fault her for seeking help, but then arguing that she should resign because of her “behavior.” And when asked what behavior you mean, you choose to ignoreached question and claim that she acted childish and the taxpayers deserve better. Do you see where that is circular logic that does *nothing* to explain your point of view? The way you support your argument is essentially to claim that your argument is true BECAUSR it is your argument!

        •  BS. The House leadership is now dealing with this mess, and trying to keep them apart at the State House. You need to do some basic research before continuing to embarrass yourself.

        • Anonymous

          Dating people in the workplace is not wise BECAUSE situations like this can occur which then distract from the work. I am well versed in domestic violence. My point is that one’s personal choices which impact the workplace (ie dating a coworker) then negatively impact those around them when things go badly. I never said she was wrong to go to HR, stop assuming. If you seek to understand, feel free to ask for clarification. I stand by my point, it isn’t wise to date people you work with, the results of this relationship help define why.

      • Anonymous

        A former boss of mine once told me that it was never a good thing to dip your pen in company ink. Enough said! 

  • Guest

    “Never mix the people’s business with pleasure.”

  • Anonymous

    I hope that people will not pass judgement until the ENTIRE story is given. Again the BDN has only given one side of the story without giving the entire outlook on the story, nothing new here for the BDN. Second if  Herbig wanted to keep this so called “private” and asking that we respect her privacy, this story would not be here for everyone to read.
     
    Also I dont feel that it is necessary for her to use the fact that he may have stated to her that he “has claimed to have killed people while serving”, seriously!! Thats what we do when we go to war, people kill people, this is nothing new, and has not been new for hundreds of years. For her to use that against him is a slap in the face to anyone who has served.
     
    Lets hope that these two can work it out amoung themselves.

    • Unfortunately, as they’re both elected officials, they don’t get to work it out privately. Bad choices on both sides.

    • Anonymous

      I have never heard a veteran speak of such things. 
       
      This is a dangerous situation here.

      • Anonymous

         You are absolutely right.  I’ve known many veterans that have harmed and killed people while serving our country, and most of them don’t talk about it.  In fact, I’ve only known one that has, and it was during the time that he was stalking his estranged wife and children.  This man, with his delusions of how much they “loved each other” and his excuses that “this is just a messy breakup” is dangerous.  No question.  No matter what kind of person she is, no one deserves to have their home, their privacy, and their job violated in such a way.  Man or woman.

    •  You do realize the BDN got this info from her petition for restraining order dont you ? It’s not like she called the press to tell them all about it. From the sounds of it he was contacted for his side of the story and gave the one coment. How at any point did either of these two make it public  ? 

    • Anonymous

      “Second if Herbig wanted to keep this so called ‘private’ and asking that we respect her privacy, this story would not be here for everyone to read.”

      Perhaps someone tipped off the reporter that Herbig had filed the complaint. The complaint is a matter of public record, and the paper has a right to report on it.

    • mainefem

      All court documents are public record. Anyone can request a copy of Hebrig’s request for PAO.

  • Guest

    Just being “accused” takes away an Americans 2nd amendment rights…  

    • I know, but on the other hand, it’s been alleged that he’s made some threatening statements. Law enforcement would be remiss if they didn’t ask for his weapons, given that situation.

    • Anonymous

       Good!  When that tragedy happened in Dexter last year, everyone was all over the place saying that something more should have been done to protect his estranged family.  Now there are people whining that a potentially dangerous person exhibiting “stalking” and other threatening behavior should be able to carry a weapon?  Please. 

  • Anonymous

    I thought she was married?  

  • I guess when you have high school kids working in Augusta this is what you get. High School Drama.  I hope this is the end of their political careers, we have real things to deal with in Augusta… Come on children…

  • Anonymous

    Don’t dip your pen in company ink!

  • Anonymous

     Her Legislative website: “Erin lives in Belfast with her husband, Josh Povec. They are members
    of the Belfast Curling Club.”
    There is more to this story….. Why didn’t the writer include this?

    • Guest

      No No No….kids do things differently…like  back in college- where some girls and guys had a boyfreind or girlfreind  back home and one on campus.

      • Anonymous

         Haha… but my goodness, its an official Legislative website! Why wouldn’t she update it? Who wants voters coming up to you saying “how is Josh?” when you divorced the guy or broke up with him? That is totally awkward!

        • Anonymous

          Well, not updating a website is CLEARLY as serious of an infraction as threatening to kill someone, stalking her, breaking into her apartment, and taking pictures of her sleeping. Yeah, now I see your point… What?!?!!

          • mainefem

            Legislators don’t update their own info on the maine.gov sub-portals.

            If you’ve ever tried to get anything accomplished on that crappy server, it’s grossly outdated in many areas!

    • Her legislative website’s text is a single .jpg with the file name of “ErinHerbig_HomePage_Oct2010.jpg” — Seems like it’s a little dated to me. Probably nothing there to include other than the website is displaying out of date material.

      • http://www.tobaccoissues.com/candidatedetail.aspx?LegisID=HERBDERIXXXXXXME

        Here’s another link, with a 2012 tagline.

        This statement is included on the bio:

        Erin lives in Belfast with her husband, Josh Povec. They are members of the Belfast Curling Club.
        As of 4/23/2012

        • Anonymous

          I wonder what her husband thinks about this. Her website stated they were building a house on land they own, and this article states she is afraid to stay in her apartment alone, maybe her husband is staying with her to keep her safe from the crazy boyfriend?

          • Anonymous

            Or maybe they’re divorced/separated. And maybe… Just maybe… Her marital status and what she chooses to do in her private life is NONE OFYOUR BUSINESS. Just throwing that out there…

          • It’s OUR BUSINESS because we are paying the bills.

            $10K+ from the Clean Elections funds; salaries, and benefits. They are public servants.

            Get it?

          • mainefem

            Republican have no boundaries.

            Trying to blame the victim; and paint Herzig as a “slut.”

            Her marital status (whatever it may be) is 100% irrelevant.

            Rush Limbaugh would be proud.

            **barf

            http://www.theduluthmodel.org/pdf/PowerandControl.pdf

          •  Do you think you could post the same link another 350 times? There may be one person reading this page who’s somehow missed it.

          • mainefem

            It’s none of her husband’s damned business.

            Marital status means zilch.

            He doesn’t “own” her.

            Rinse…lather…repeat.

            DV behaviors are 100% inexcusable.

            Despite party affiliation.

            http://www.theduluthmodel.org/pdf/PowerandControl.pdf

        • Despite a recent timestamp, “information” on the web can still be outdated (I doubt Herbig herself was responsible for sending / updating the content that is getting pulled into this outside site). I am thinking that this is the case. 

          I also find the nature of whether she is/was married during her relationship with Cornell du Houx to be somewhat irrelevant to the situation at hand. The story is about a woman who has exited a relationship, and her partner has taken up intimidation and threatening behaviors that disrupt her home and work environment, making her feel unsafe. Even if this relationship was illicit (which I don’t think it was), Herbig doesn’t deserve to be stalked by him now that the relationship is over. 

          •  I really don’t care whether she was married at the time or not, aside from the poor decision-making it displays.  I also never said she “deserved” to be stalked.

            The taxpayers, on the other hand, deserve good service in return for the dollars they send to Augusta, and to the Clean Elections fund.

            Both Herbig and du Houx are being paid with tax dollars, and they received significant funding from the Clean Elections for their campaigns. Their constituents have a right to better service.

          • Anonymous

            Uggh! How has she NOT provided her constituents with “good service” because of this?! How is what she does in her livingroom or bedroom even any of your business? Her ONLY actions that are relevant to this story are her attempts to protect herself.

            If you don’t like her as a Legislator, that’s obviously perfectly acceptable. But what has she done that makes you think she has cheated her voters? And don’t just say that she acted like a junior high student, because that doesn’t point to specific behavior (and frankly, it minimizes domestic violence and criminal threatening crimes in a completely offensive way). Are you just upset that she had a relationship with a co-worker in the first place, or are you upset that it turned out this way and she had to go to her boss to try to resolve the issue? Again, how is ANY of that her fault?

          • Because she got involved in the relationship to begin with. She was married; and was sent to Augusta by taxpayers to serve the public at the State House. She made bad choices, and entered an adulterous relationship with a fellow legislator. They were both wrong. Why does she get a pass, just because she’s a woman? No thanks.

            Meanwhile, if you read the PPH article, it’s clear this situation has been complicating the legislative work process for some time.

            Neither of these people have the right to use public money to act like children. Their constituents, and the people of Maine deserve better.

          • Wait, you went and searched on completely random sites (tobaccoissues.com?!) to try to verify Herbig’s marital status (yet claim you really don’t care) — all because you’re worried about the taxpayers?

            Oh, I get your angle now:Concerned citizen is very concerned, but not about the topic in the story. OK, got it. Well, thank you for sidelining the very serious issue of stalking / intimidation in order to prioritize your own personal concerns. Everyone here is much better for it.

          • mainefem

            Correct.

            Stop blaming the victim, people.

            http://www.theduluthmodel.org/pdf/PowerandControl.pdf

      • Anonymous

        Actually, it was updated w/ “current news” on April 14, 2012.
        April 14, 2012Workers comp overhaul gets final approval in Maine House Bill undercuts injured workers, won’t create a single job

        http://www.maine.gov/legis/housedems/eherbig/ 

        You are correct he picture is from 2010.

        • I was only trying to point out that the .org site is using a single image for the entire page’s content… To edit the info would mean someone is editing the image itself (which is a pretty inefficient / inconvenient way to handle textual content on the web) and re-uploading it. OR, the more likely situation: no one is editing the content on that .org site. So, its content is out of date. 

          Your link is to a different site altogether, so, I may be missing what it is you’re trying to say.

  • This crap can happen to anybody, doesn’t matter if it’s left, right, red, white, or blue… He needs to be put in check…

    • Anonymous

      I disagree only Democrats would have this type of behavior going on at the local level.  The fact that if Rep. Herbig is still married according to her current bio  Rep. Herbig should be ashamed of herself.  The fact that this type of behavior is being done under Maine Taxpayer dollars is unacceptable.  These two should step down.  Those who live in Rep. Herbig and Rep Cornell du Houx districts deserve better representation than what these 2 adulterers are giving them.  They should take their personal problems elsewhere not doing it on taxpayers time and dime.  I hope both of these folks lose their seats in November to Republicans that would be the best form of poetic justice that these two deserve.

      • Anonymous

        Ya, hope you had the feelings about that prostitute monger REPUBLICAN Senator David Vitter of Louisiana who was engaging prostitutes via the DC Madam, and yet the GOP Goofballs down there re-elected him.  But oh my, he probably said he was “born again” and all was forgiven.  Or that REPUBLICAN bathroom foot-tapper from Idaho. Or that REPUBLICAN Mark Foley who was getting drunk and soliciting young congressional pages. Right wingers.  Ultra hypocrites and enough to make anyone sick their stomach.

        • Guest

          Ted Kennedy.   Nuff said….

        • Anonymous

          The gist of your comment is pointless. Vitter, the DC Madam, the GOP goofballs, Foley and the bathroom foot-tapper weren’t engaged in terrorizing, stalking, threatening with a gun, blocking other people’s movements, breaking into apartments, taking pictures and videos and leaving items around for their romantic interests to find so that the target of their stalking would know they broke into their apartments, rummaged around and in doing so, sent the message they could get to them anytime they wanted to.

      • Anonymous

        Clinton was and still is married, and he didn’t step down. I can’t believe that all the comments I’ve read here to this point are MISSING THE BIGGER PROBLEM… This guy is a stalker and a loose cannon. I’m sure as hell glad I’m not in the state house while he’s there. I feel sorry for this woman, married or not. Just because she is married doesn’t excuse him from terrorizing her. 

      • Guest

        U S Senator Larry Craig (R-Airport Men’s Rooms)

        • Anonymous

          pointless and irrelevent to this article’s topic.

          • Guest

            Says you.

      • Anonymous

        The only thing she is “guilty” of in this scenario is addressing an issue she is having with a coworker with her boss. That’s the only thing she did that has anything to do with her job as a state rep. Everything else–all the strange behavior and threatening actions going on in the workplace–are things HE did. So why should she be held accountable for his actions? Just because she dated him? If that’s the case, then you’re saying anyone who is abused is also at fault because that person was initially part of the relationship.

        As for who she is married to or dating, how is that any of your business? If you are a voter, you can certainly consider that if you wish when you Gato the polls. Otherwise, what she chooses to do in her private life is her own business. She was being intimidated and threatened by an unstable coworker. If she shouldn’t have taken the issue to her boss, what SHOULD she have done?

      • Guest

        *****

      • mainefem

        du Houx should be *forced* to step down (and I hope that his freakin’ guns have been confiscated, too).

        That’s not to say that he can’t access guns elsewhere.
        The victim *never* “steps down.

        “http://www.theduluthmodel.org/pdf/PowerandControl.pdf

  • It’s unfortunate, but not surprising, to see so many creeps trying to turn this awful situation into a partisan issue. Shame on you.

    • I hope you felt the same way when former Republican Rep. Wintle had a mental breakdown last year. The public attacks on him from Democrats continued for months.

      • Marthamainer

        Bull.  Everyone was worried about him and the safety of those around him.  I never saw ANY attack on him….not one.  Bull.  I expect more from you.

        • Google the news articles from both the BDN and the PPH, and go back to read the comments. You are 100% incorrect.

          For some posters, the attacks still continue to this day, whenever his name comes up.

          • Marthamainer

            Read the comment section????  You said that Democrats attacked him.  Not true.

          •  I was referring to the comments on these pages, and those of the PPH.

          • Marthamainer

            “The public attacks on him from Democrats continued for months.”

            False.  I read and saw lots of compassion for Rep. Wintle who was obviously sick.  I have some compassion for the two people involved in this story.  I am human above all.

          •  You are selectively compassionate, and selectively sanctimonious.

      • Guest

        the man pulled a loaded weapon on another person in a public parking lot, no comparison.

  • Anonymous

    HHi

  • Anonymous

    His comments were weird to say the least but we have heard her complaint let’s see if there is another side to this when they go to court. There is always two sides hopefully the judge finds the truth and even more if this is true the lady stays safe! Scary to read regardless

    • When there is abuse and/or stalking to this extent, there are not two sides.  Talk to some domestic violence victims and experts.  99% of people would not make this stuff up – it is terrifying and too often ends in murder. Scarey is right.

      • Anonymous

        I disagree and there are two sides period whether both sides are true there are two sides to everything in life and I worked with dhhs victims advocacy I’ve seen it all trust me..she probably is telling the truth so why have a hearing with a judge ??? Oh wait the judge must hear both sides ….how dare he!

      • Bob

        Not 99% believe me. If she was still married could be a cover. I would say more like 80%. 

      • Anonymous

        I disagree as well, you would not believe the percentage of people who do make these things up, try to hurt the other person, discredit their character, or just trying to get back at them for somthing, its sad but true. When you have two people involved there are two sides, not just one, it does not work that way. Now Im not saying she isnt speaking the truth but who knows if these accusations are far fetched or not. That will be up to a judge, not the public.

        • Guest

          I agree with you.  Here is a copy of my response to this same post:

          You need to read up on Narcissistic Personality Disorder and what these people will do to those around them.

          Having been involved with one of these at one time, (EX-wife), I can
          tell you a lot about lies and malicious attacks on character intended to
          utterly destroy the other person.

          If several of the comments here are true about her, married,
          adultery,  dating her attorney, etc.  then I have real questions about
          her as well.

          And to Cornell du Houx I have this advice.  Move on.  Let her go.  Go
          get some SERIOUS counseling RIGHT NOW.  Until you get that counseling
          you have no idea how much an NPD will have messed with your mind or how
          long it is going to take to get your head straight.

           

      • Anonymous

        “When there is abuse and/or stalking to this extent, there are not two sides.”

        And we know that plaintiffs in these cases never lie or exaggerate…

      • Guest

        You need to read up on Narcissistic Personality Disorder and what these people will do to those around them.

        Having been involved with one of these at one time, (EX-wife), I can tell you a lot about lies and malicious attacks on character intended to utterly destroy the other person.

        If several of the comments here are true about her, married, adultery,  dating her attorney, etc.  then I have real questions about her as well.

        And to Cornell du Houx I have this advice.  Move on.  Let her go.  Go get some SERIOUS counseling RIGHT NOW.  Until you get that counseling you have no idea how much an NPD will have messed with your mind or how long it is going to take to get your head straight.

  • Anonymous

    ick!

  • Anonymous

    And they are up for re-election!

  • Bob

    Ya the Republican are too busy making trips to ALEC meetings in New Orleans figuring you how to double bills us for it.

  • Anonymous

    I have had questions for over two years regarding the appropriateness of these sorts of relationships no matter of which party of those holding offices within the House and Senate. My concerns came when Rep. Elspeth Flemings, Bar Harbor and Rep. Richard Cleary, Houlton announced their engagement in 2010. Some people are strong willed, but in no doubt those that are in relationships do influence the decisions each partner makes inclusive of the House and Senate. I am left wondering are there laws pertaining to fraternization in the workplace at the least,  if a couple of elected officials reach  intentions of marriage doesn’t it then become a conflict of interest for both at the same time to hold equal offices?

    • Guest

      It looks like they are not missing the old Augusta House.

    • It may be time for some new state HR policies about such issues, particularly since the situation is costing staff time and resources, and now, at least one legislator will likely be barred from the State House.

    • Anonymous

      Don’t worry, the good folks of Houlton area got rid of Cleary.

    • mainefem

      I concur, but there’s no policy about it at the statehouse.

      Cleary & Flemings happened to work out fine (but that’s not typically the case).I don’t think that *any* workplace should allow it (if it happens, the person in power within the workplace milieu needs to resign their position).

  • Anonymous

    they should both be put on leave

    • mainefem

      The victim is never “put on leave.”

      He should’ve been booted from the legislature months ago.

      Ditto, re: concealed weapons–nobody needs to carry one in the statehouse–for any reason.

      It’s impossible for Herzig to implement even a solidly constructed “safety plan.”

      He knows her every move while serving in the statehouse (and beyond).

      http://www.theduluthmodel.org/pdf/PowerandControl.pdf

      Doh~

      • Anonymous

        he should have been booted i agree

  • Guest

    *****

  • Guest

    Completely inappropriate and unrelated to the premise of the article. You were waiting to pounce.

    Did you stop to consider that she may be separated from her husband?

    Disgusting.

    • Anonymous

      What is inapproriate she either needs to come clean and say if she is divorced or she is currently  cheating on her husband.  If she is divorced she needs to update her website on the legislature’s website,  and on the Democrat Party’s website in the Legislature.  Because if she is not divorced Erin Herbig and Mr. Cornell du Houx need to step down as soon as possible.  They need to stop this circus and this bad soap opera they are creating.   It is not good morals to waste taxpayers time and dollars to have their love life and current problems being done on State House grounds while Maine is in the economic mess it is in.  The people who put them in office need to be demanding answers on why this is going on.  If they want to continue these problems then they can go somewhere else and do it but not on our time and money.

      • Anonymous

         Ha! Morals? In politics? When did that become a standard?

      • Anonymous

        DemocratIC Party*

        (There, I fixed that for you. Glad I could help correct your *obviously* unintentional mistake.)

  • Jerrymxz

    this is a sad and  unfortunate situation  for both of these young people, with the potential to get dangerous. I  pray the military, steps in and offers help to this young man, if the allegations are true, he will need it .        God Bless them both!!!

  • Anonymous

    So they were living together for over a year? That means one of them was not living in their district…

    •  That may be a valid point. Good catch.

      • You’ve had some GOP trouble in this area so it doesn’t belong to party.

        •  Really? The GOP has had two legislators from different districts having an extra-marital affair, where one of them has possibly transgressed the rule that a representative shall live in the district they represent?

          I don’t think so.

          • Marthamainer

            This is a rabbit hole you don’t want to go down.  Anytime there is a gathering of people, there is some drama.  Cut the holier than thou line….

          •  Go ahead — post any such information you can find. I’ll wait.

    • From the article:

      In the statement, Herbig said the romantic relationship began in late 2011 and continued through the early part of this year.

      du Houx claims that the two lived together for over a year. Choose whom you want to believe.

      • Anonymous

        Gerald if her website on the legislature and the Democrat House Leader’s website is accurate this woman is still married according to it.  She needs to come clean to the media and explain herself.  If this woman is married and is cheating with this current legislator who is got serious mental and other issues then they need to resign.  If they don’t resign they need to be booted out by those in the legislature, and Mr. Cornell du Houx needs to be brought up on charges.  It is unacceptable to Maine Taxpayers and Citizen’s that this behavior is going on.  This state has serious economic , infrastructure, failing schools and welfare issues and these two clowns are doing this its unacceptable , its a disgrace.  I am disappointed that Emily Cain and Ben Grant of the Democrat Party is letting this continue.  They should have put the hammer down on these two classless human beings.

        • Anonymous

          Disqus generic email template

          Ever read Early American Literature, Darkcat?

          The Scarlet Letter ??

          Get a grip, Sir.

          —– Original Message —–
          From: Disqus
          To: sdhb@oxfordnetworks.net
          Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 9:33 PM
          Subject: [bdn] Re: Maine lawmaker gets protection order against fellow legislator after breakup

          darkcat33 wrote, in response to Gerald Weinand:

          Gerald if her website on the legislature and the Democrat House Leader’s website this woman is still married. She needs to come clean to the media and explain herself. If this woman is married and is cheating with this current legislator who is got serious mental and other issues then they need to resign. If they don’t resign they need to be booted out by those in the legislature, and Mr. Cornell du Houx needs to be brought up on charges. It is unacceptable to Maine Taxpayers and Citizen’s that this behavior is going on. This state has serious economic , infrastructure, failing schools and welfare issues and these 2 clowns are doing this its unacceptable , its a disgrace. I am disappointed that Emily Cain and Ben Grant of the Democrat Party is letting this continue. They should have put the hammer down on these 2.

          Link to comment

        • Anonymous

           Democratic*

        • How brave you are for typing all that while using a pseudonym. How very brave.

          • Anonymous

            Hey Gerry, how ’bout that, A TWOFER!  What a week for you to be on vacation….oh wait, Sussman’s V.I. compound is under investigation. 

          • And the UMaine Baldacci staffer hires are under investigation.

            http://www.pressherald.com/news/umaine-system-hiring-attracts-scrutiny_2012-05-03.html

            ———————————

            http://www.insideedition.com/lib/pdf/8119/050112_investigaton_congress_list.pdf

            And Michaud is driving a $795 per month leased vehicle, paid for by US taxpayers.

            61. Michael Michaud – Dem. Maine $795.00

          • Anonymous

            According to Sussman’s fiancée, Rep Chellie
            Pingree (D-ME), the philanthropist lives with her and has been a
            resident of Maine since 2009. But financial records and other documents
            indicate that Sussman has claimed full-time residency and extensive tax
            breaks in the U.S. Virgin Islands for years – and may be continuing to
            claim them. 

            Progressive organizations and Democratic leaders –
            including ones who have taken significant financial contributions from
            Sussman – have long vilified offshore tax havens, pointing to them as
            evidence of corporate greed gone wild. Rep. Pingree has been an
            outspoken critic of this type of tax evasion, and made it one of the
            cornerstones of her unsuccessful 2002 senate bid against Sen. Susan
            Collins (R-ME). 

               ~~~~ Alana Goodman

            1% Democratic hypocrites.

          • Anonymous

            It has nothing to do with bravery or cowardice.  It makes sense to use pseudonyms on these comment boards.  You never know what nutcases are lurking out there, or what might set them off.

        • Anonymous

          Maybe you would like to explain what their sex life has to do with their job!  Just what part of their life do you think you own? You know know as well as the rest of us that one representative screwed the State out of $1.3 and is still there. It must be OK in your eyes to do it to the State, but not in the bedroom.

        • mainefem

          Batterers do NOT have “mental health” issues.

          They only pull this power and control crap on their partners (personal sphere), vs. everyone else in their life.

          Secrecy stealth is the name of the game, so to speak.

          http://www.theduluthmodel.org/pdf/PowerandControl.pdf

          Whether Hebrig is still legally married or not is totally irrelevant.

        • Anonymous

          Their behavior, should they run for re election, should interest voters.  It bears on their fitness to hold public office.

          •  They are both running for re-election; Herbig in Belfast, and du Houx in Brunswick.

            Last time, we paid them each over $4500 from Clean Elections funds. Was it worth the money?

        • Anonymous

           I am confused too, she is/was married to Josh Povec…….

        • Anonymous

          DemocratIC*

          jeez… You seem to make that mistake a lot, darkcat!

    • Anonymous

      Or maybe they both were living outside their district? Does it really matter? The important thing is that they had residenses in their districts.

  • Anonymous

    Thought you couldn’t put restraining orders on co-workers.

  • Anonymous

    Abusive relationships know no bounds & can affect anyone. She is doing the right thing, I hope she does not change her mind.

  • Am I’m missing something?  The police aren’t involved?

    • From the PPH article:

      http://www.pressherald.com/news/Legislator-claims-male-colleague-stalked-threatened-her.html

      …. Leadership later advised Herbig to contact Capitol Police and state
      authorities. Herbig did so, but didn’t pursue legal action until
      recently.

      Quintero said that, without legal action, legislative leaders could
      not prohibit Cornell du Houx from carrying out his constitutional duties
      as an elected representative, so he couldn’t be kept off Capitol
      grounds.

      The Legislature’s Human Resources Department later implemented a safety plan to keep the two lawmakers separated.

  • waynorth1

    narcissism at its ugliest……let her go and leave her alone.  The fact that he still talks about their relationship/engagement so passionately shows he’s not a big fan of getting dumped. Get some counseling buddy.  

  • Anonymous

    The sad part Naran the people in Belfast and Brunswick deserve better representation instead of this bad soap opera they are getting now.  Shame on those in the Belfast and Brunswick area Districts for those who did vote for these two losers.

    • Anonymous

      All right, enough of the ignorance.  This had nothing to do with the elections which occurred a year and a half ago.  I agree that this is ridiculous drama and that these two should step down and settle out these personal issues as they are too much of a distraction.  On the Republican side, you had one go nuts and get arrested for threatening, and you’ve had another tossed out for being a crook with his campaign money.  As I understand it, that guy Burns is up on charges.  And of course the biggest child in the government is that goofball in the Blaine house who acts like a puffed-jowled schoolyard bully who has tantrums every time he doesn’t get his own way.

      • Anonymous

         You forgot the Democrat who advocated for the execution of a former VP. That’s three D’s, two R’s, and I’m not giving you LePage, because it’s your opinion, not legitimate provable facts.

      • Gee… speaking of “ignorance.”

      • Anonymous

        Run out of spray paint or just the fault of your limited vocabulary?

        ….major scandal and you throw mud around like a 3 yr. old having a tantrum?  

      • Anonymous

        “Stay on target” Return of the Jedi.

    • Anonymous

      Stan Gerzofsky will be holding court at the HUNGRY DAWG coffee house from 10 a.m. to noon this Sat. He has the influence to force both of them out of the House….BE THERE to advise him

  • Anonymous

    Hopefully voters in these districts vote these two bums out.  But I am not holding my breath. Especially in the People’s Republic of Brunswick it is the same area that has elected folks  like Bethany Edmonds (awful Liberal Senate President) and Stan Gerzofsky.  Gerzofsky always went on Ray Richardson’s show when it was on WPFO-TV always defending Democrats and his record of being tough on fighting sex offenders and other child crimes in the legislature.  Sadly they will be dumb enough to re-elect and  keep this adulterer and stalker in office too.

    • Anonymous

      I live in Walso county and resent being called dumb. I’ sure the voters in Brunswick do as well.

      • Joe

        I’ not sure where Walso county is…

        • Anonymous

          Excuse me that’s Waldo. My fingers don’t read very well.

          ________________________________
          From: Disqus
          To: frostylobomerlin@yahoo.com
          Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 5:48 PM
          Subject: [bdn] Re: Belfast lawmaker gets protection order against Brunswick legislator after breakup

          Disqus generic email template

          Joe wrote, in response to frostylobomerlin:
          I’ not sure where Walso county is…
          Link to comment

  • Guest

    He said, She said..

  • Anonymous

    Immature kid with a militant attitude and a very bad ego problem and showing an obvious histrionic personality disorder.  I doubt the people of Brunswick will have this guy as their representative any longer.  Let him hit the streets and find a job he may enjoy, like going back in the Marine Corps (most anyone can join nowadays; he he he) or being a State Cop.  Just someplace where he can continue to bully people around and feel superior. 

    • Anonymous

      He’s a Bowdoin College grad….I wonder how the ORIENT is going to handle this white hot issue…can’t be ignored, Bowdoin will be all over it; faculty and the Bowdoin community will desert him, showing sympathy and making him out as ‘war damaged’ affected by the military, suffering from drug misuse, or just another abusive male too stupid to seek help.

      Gonna be quite the controversy…remember Brunswick is the heart of the Democrat’s empire…I bet even Angus King chimes in; after all he and Alex are neighbors . 

      • Anonymous

        Even though he graduated from Bowdion, this kid has no sense of bearing or respect for many – even his former girlfriend.  How could this person act and behave if he was married to ANYONE?  Maybe the college publication will not touch it, as they may wish to just let the tide flow in and out again.  But then, as you say, Bowdion may blame the United States Marine Corps for making a monster out of this guy.  War collateral.  “PUFBS” = “Post Under Fire Bull ****” .  I like your assessment .

        Maybe King should have remained outside of politics and wrote travel books from his camper – or whatever he called it.  His bid at flying windmill’s is over with – we hope!  Ya, these two are right for each other and maybe we can catch them someplace over lobster and beer sometime holding hands! 

        • Anonymous

            My my, what an intellectual we have in our midst.  Just ask Chipi and he will tell you how smart he is. 

          I am not defending the representative, as I believe his behavior does
          indicate some mental illness and might be an early indicator of future
          domestic violence. 

          Chipi,what are you doing to make Maine a better place?

          • Anonymous

            Thank you for the good news today!  Nobody is trying to say anything about “smarts”, or promoting it.  If you read all the comments, there are lot of those who commented in a “smart” and intelligent way here.  I cannot make Maine a better place.  Ask your Governor that question.  Are you doing YOUR part? 

      • Anonymous

        Hope they treat him better than they did Fred Wintle………….jus sayin.

      • http://orient.bowdoin.edu/orient/article.php?
        date=2012-05-04&section=1&id=3

        Look for King to distance himself immediately.

    • mainefem

      He’s 29 yrs. old.

      Hardly a “kid.”

      Consequences need to be harsh for this power & control freak.

      http://www.theduluthmodel.org/pdf/PowerandControl.pdf

  • Anonymous

    http://www.pressherald.com/news/Legislator-claims-male-colleague-stalked-threatened-her.html
    The Portland Press Herald’s article states that she was recently divorced.

  • Anonymous

    way to stay classy democrats.

  • Anonymous

    ” Our own life is the instrument with which we experiment with truth”
         Thich Nhat Hanh
      I guess this experiment failed.  

  • Anonymous

    You know, Naran, having the right to say something doesn’t mean it’s the right thing to do.

    • You’re right. Maybe next time, Herbig and du Houx will think twice about taking public funding and acting like junior high students.

      • Are you seriously stating that there are not Republican legislators fooling around?  Careful.

        •  With each other? Living outside their districts? Please.

        • mainefem

          Augusta and statehouse legislators are *filled* with adulterous affairs (regardless of party affiliation).

          Get a grip, people!

          Careful about opening Pandora’s Box.

          Simply because the public doesn’t know about them, does not imply that they don’t exist!

          http://www.theduluthmodel.org/training/wheels.html

      • Anonymous

        How can you not see that this issue isn’t about the relationship they had, it’s about an unstable guy’s threatening behavior? Take a look at the ‘Similar Articles’ listed below this story, then tell us you think this is just about “junior high” behavior.

        I’ll ask again since you never seem willing to answer the question directly: what SHOULD she have done differently in response to his actions?

        •  Easy answer –>  She never should have gotten involved with him in the first place.

          • Joe

            hindsight is always 20/20…

          •  For some people, principles take care of a lack of foresight.

  • Anonymous

    This is not something that should be happening in the state legislature, voters for each of these rep’s districts should bear all this in mind when it comes election time.

  • Anonymous

    If they lived together, then one of them was fraudulently representing thier district.  AND…I can’t believe Emily Cain has a spokesperson.

    • Anonymous

      My guess is that they “lived together” in Augusta, when the Leg was sitting.  Some real long overnight sessions (of the House, I mean).

  • 2014.

    Me, too, since another term with LePage in the Blaine House is exactly what Maine needs.

    • Anonymous

      I agree.  Clean up the State of Maine!  Get rid of all the people who are making a killing off the taxpayers. 

  • Anonymous

    Just toxic waste left over from the other Maine Yankee.

  • Patten_Pete

    Bye bye Alex!

  • Anonymous

    Cornell du Houx should resign immediately.  That is the honorable thing to do when there are serious allegation like these.  His constituents deserve more moral behavior than he has shown.  The several times I met him, I did not get a favorable impression.

  • Anonymous

    im willing to bet he never patrolled fallugah period and the only thing he killed was beers and stray iraqi dogs,guys that did it dont brag about it .

    • Anonymous

       And they certainly don’t use their military record and training to intimidate civilians when they come home!  At least not the ones who are well adjusted and not dangerous.

  • Anonymous

    I wonder if Gov. LePage targeted du Houx with his anti-bullying campaign since it appears he has that tendency to ‘use his Marine training’ to intimidate? 

  • Anonymous

    In the immortal words of Ace Ventura, “Obsess much??”

  • Anonymous

    What the?!??!

  • Anonymous

    She is obviously in danger.  He needs to wake up and stay away from her.  Get over it and go on with his life without her.  What is a wicked man?  Him!

  • mainefem

    There isn’t a legislator in the statehouse who can honestly claim that they’ve never heard of Duluth DV wheels.

    Regardless of party affiliation.

    PDF alert (a large wheel model, so that even media can relate to their own responsibilities, etc.).

    http://www.theduluthmodel.org/pdf/PowerandControl.pdf

  • Lord Whiteman

     These things happen. I hope they both can get pass this heart ache and have happy lives with someone else.

  • Oldfishergeek

    I see this as an outgrowth of ridiculously short term limits. 

  • Anonymous

    This has nothing to do with partisan politics. It’s about a woman who needs a protection order to get her garden-variety, knucklehead ex-boyfriend to leave her alone. Nothing new there.

    •  Except they’re both elected representatives, and the public is paying the bills, and their nonsense is making business harder in the State House.

      If they want to play, they should stay home.

  • Folk’s, this is not a political issue. Quit treating it as such. To keep treating it as a political issue simply gives support to the arguement that Mainer’s are incapable of acting like adult’s and need ‘adult’ supervision aince we can’t seem to get along with each other short of doing something stupid. Let this play itself out. If it needs to go to court, fine, let it. That Emily Cain got into it tells me that she see’s where this whole thing was, and indeed, could have wound up. That she took action as Minority Leader also tells me that did the responsible thing as Herbig’s ‘boss’ and took all possible actions to keep her safe. Good for you Ms. Cain. That’s ‘hand’s on , in your face’ leadership. What is also important is that The Speaker had the good sense to let Ms Cain deal with it and not let it get out of hand. For that he showed both common sense and a sense of decency that has been long mssing in Augusta.

    This whole incident also tells me that there is a serious lack of maturity in the whole of the Legislature when 2 people who are involved decide that ‘it’ just wasn’t going to work out and, for whatever reason, can’t seem to ‘let go’. People, when it’s ‘over’, it’s ‘over’ and move on. Dragging it out just makes it worse. To drag it out to the degree that this has been dragged out isin’t just messy. It’s stupid. Move on and get over it. But now that it’s in the Court System this is just gonna get even more messy. And that does no one any good. 

    • Anonymous

      Good attempt at “SPIN”.

      • Not SPIN Sir. But if that’s what you believe, well, The Constitution doesn’t prevent anyone from making a moose’s pa-toot out of themselves simply because they want to make everything political. But now, at least, you’re outta’ the closet for all to see.

  • Anonymous

    It’s so sad that the politics of this situation are causing people to overlook that a terrified woman is  stalked and harassed. Would you be as callous if it was you daughter or sister or mother? What about if she was your hairdresser instead of your legislator. Look at this for what it really is, and stop using their jobs as a way  to overlook the real problem.

    •  The “real” problem is that they both acted as if their elected duties meant nothing. I don’t want to see her harmed, but she made poor choices. Poor choices have consequences.

      They should both resign and seek help.

      • Anonymous

        Just keep saying it and maybe it’ll become true.

  • Anonymous

    du Houx TBI?

  • Anonymous

    If she is still married, then it goes without saying she needs to get her life straightened out. That doesn’t excuse his stalking behavior by any means; nor does it grant him permission. No woman regardless of her situation deserves to be abused in any way. However, being a role model, he must step down immediately until they figure out if he is guilty of such things. For surely if he is, bluntly he is dangerous man. If she is a married woman, she needs to step down until she can get her act together. Our children need to see role models up there not soap opera’s. I know they won’t make her, because they didn’t make Clinton. I’m not saying they will make her, I’m saying she should. 

  • Anonymous

    I started reading the comments on this article and had to scroll back up to the article to see if I had somehow hit a key that took me to another article.

    I then went back to the comments to see if I could find any comment that had to do with stalking and the danger Herbig has been experiencing for months. She also lives in a state of terror.

    Evidently none of the first 20 commenters (I didn’t go on any further) have never been stalked. And what I did read, it doesn’t appear that the commenter’s find du Houx’s gun toting, breaking into a woman’s apartment behavior and following her around (stalking) to be unusual conduct after a break-up.

    The nature of the comments is nothing more than another food fight between Democrats and Republicans and the usual inane accusatory jabs at each other that occur week after week…..no matter what the subject is.     

    • mainefem

      You saw me blaming him, bigtime.

      Staunch progressive Democrat, and I do NOT tolerate DV at all.

      From anyone.

      Period.

      *Especially* from Democratic party legislators, who should know better!

      Get rid of him.

      NOW

      http://www.theduluthmodel.org/pdf/PowerandControl.pdf

  • Guest

    One of many service men/women who return with severe mental illness…………..and not being taken care of properly. We will continue to see this irrational behavior with many of our service people returning from the useless war.

  • Anonymous

    This behavior is consistent with support for homosexual marriage, divorce, and abortion, all of which violate God’s laws. “Our lawmakers are lawbreakers.”  Both parties promote homosexuality, promiscuity, and drug use through the public schools. They make our nation weak, so that the moneylenders on Wall Street can prosper. We must vote out ALL Republicans and Democrats, and elect a  government which will truly lead our people.

    You will never hear LePage OR the Democrats speak of our people other than in economic terms — and they do so in order to soak the people of Maine on behalf of their usurious masters on Wall Street.

    • Anonymous

      Unless we get this sort of degeneracy under control, there will be nothing left. We already have the highest crime rate in the world, 60% of marriages end in divorce, and we are known around the world for endless wars and promoting moral corruption through the media.  

      We are also 11 trillion dollars in debt. Are you satisfied with this sort of “leadership?”

      Or will you wake up to the fact that the same forces control both parties from behind the scenes?

  • Anonymous

    this is just the type of people that should be carrying concealed wepons  in our state house.I feel safer already.I guess when i make deliveries i will be looking around corners,But the severe slap on the hands will stop the threat it always does. NOT

    • The law allows people at the State House to have a weapon locked in their vehicle. Nobody is allowed to bring weapons into a public facility, except for law enforcement or military.

  • Anonymous

    And they wonder why Paul calls it the biggest adult day care center in the state.

  • Anonymous

    this clearly shows the differences between the parties. The Democrat threatened with a gun, the republican, threatened, pulled and pointed it……in a foxhole I’ll take the republican

  • Anonymous

    Glad to see your against affirmitive action or as its called now, diversity!

  • Guest

    *****

    • Anonymous

      While the gist of the story is his behavior, she’s a public figure and her private life isn’t immune from comment, especially if she was messing around with this guy while married to someone else.

      • Guest

        *****

        •  I don’t consider her “fair game,” speaking for myself. What I think is that when the public spends tax money to send people to Augusta, the public has a right to expect adult behavior from elected officials.

          They should both resign.

          • Guest

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          • Anonymous

            If he’s guilty he’ll not just step down — he’ll go to jail.

          • Anonymous

            Yeah… not from around here, are you?

            (Just a figure of speech. But seriously, it takes an act of Congress in Maine to send a “normal” citizen who has terrorized someone to jail, so I suspect this case will end up like far too many DV cases in Maine, and he’ll only be held accountable in the courts if someone ends up getting beaten or killed.)

          • Anonymous

            It’s not a criminal matter.

          • Anonymous

            Really, if the allegations are true, you don’t think what he did was “criminal?” Did you read the article, or just skip right down to the argument?

          • Anonymous

            The domestic violence case is not a criminal matter; it’s a civil case.  However, if what she says about his threats and hacking her cellphone and going into her computer are true, those things might involve criminal conduct and lead to criminal charges.

            And to answer your snide question, yes I read the article.

          • If I lived in Belfast, I’d be calling for her resignation. The voters will have that chance in November. Meanwhile, Clean Elections has given them both money for their campaigns, and we’re paying their salaries and benefits.

      • mainefem

        Herzig’s personal life (marital status) is nobody’s business.

        The only issue at hand is his classic battering behaviors.

        Stop blaming the victim, people.

        He needs to be *shoved* out of the legislature by Cain and Nutting; and confiscate any and all weapons (concealed, or otherwise).

        http://www.theduluthmodel.org/training/wheels.html

        • Anonymous

          “classic battering behaviors”

          Where does it say he battered her?

          • Anonymous

            In next month’s BDN, if we do nothing to prevent it.

  • Patten_Pete

    Dream on. 2010 was just the start. America is waking up.

  • Anonymous

    Outrageous behavior by outrageous children. Grow up people. You are in the house of representatives, being paid to represent. Stop the crap and do your job.

    •  Very, very well said.

      • Anonymous

        Thanks. I manage to get something right once in awhile.

        ________________________________
        From: Disqus
        To: frostylobomerlin@yahoo.com
        Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 10:49 PM
        Subject: [bdn] Re: Belfast lawmaker gets protection order against Brunswick legislator after breakup

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        Naran Row-Spaulding wrote, in response to frostylobomerlin:
        Very, very well said.
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  • tag

    The Dem “war against women” continues. Bill Clinton should be proud! (PS – I wonder what is on those videos?)

  • Anonymous

    Good job. You have stayed on target even if you did not stay on subject.
    I don’t know which bothers me more here. The fact that legislators using the legislature as a single’s club or the fact that we have another seemingly unstable legislator.

  • With all the domestic violence seen in this state lately, why is everyone concerned about their “tax dollars” and political parties rather than the issue at hand?  de Houx could just as easily “blow his top” as anyone else, which could lead to another death by an angry ex-boyfriend.  Who cares what their jobs are?  Let’s just try to prevent Herbig from being another statistic.

    •  The reason that some “care” what their jobs are, is because we, the public, are paying the bills for this juvenile nonsense. That gives us standing to care.

  • Anonymous

    Can someone please explain to me why Alex and Erin are still friends on Facebook then???

    • mainefem

      Herzig could easily block him; and my guess is that she’s too intimidated to do so.

      Same with her cell phone & computer(s).

      Change the passwords in a few seconds.

      I block idiots all the time on FB.

      Again: these are the dynamics of batterers (to stalk).

      He’s classic.

      http://www.theduluthmodel.org/pdf/PowerandControl.pdf

    •  That’s a good question. If I were trying to avoid someone, my first action would be to block them on FB.

  • Anonymous

    I think it is highly inappropriate to place photos and the story in the newspaper. Is BDN circulation so poor that this story has to be the cover story?  The BDN should stick with news, not drama.

    • Anonymous

       Drama sells.

  • Anonymous

    I am pretty sure that the Tea Party, Charlie Webster, Gov LePage and the GOP had very little to do with this issue.

  • tag

    The only qualification you need to get elected in Maine is a “D” after your name. Sad.

  • Guest

    Creepy fellow. Sounds dangerous.

  • Guest

    *****

  • Anonymous

    You cry all the time, but your the one’s who put them in there.

  • Guest

    *****

  • Anonymous

    You would think this was a  bunch of teenagers.  Amazing!!!!!!!!

    • Anonymous

      Since when is stalking and terrorizing a TEENAGE problem??  Educate yourself.

      • Guest

        I would like to ask you where you got the Idea there was stalking and terrorizing involved besides reading one half of a story. I see nothing in this story but one person being accused of something. “due process”

  • Anonymous

    An April 2010 article about Rep. Herbig’s candidacy states that she was laid off in 2009, but found the National non-profit group “Change that Works” and became a community organizer for that group.
    Also, it states that she “is married to native Mainer Josh Povec.”  Wonder where he comes in with this apparent live-in, romantic, engaged” relationship.

  • Shawn McPhee

  • Guest

    *****

  • Bangor Daily is slowly turning into the National Enquirer. 

  • mainefem

    Alex needs to be booted.

    His ongoing behaviors elicit as a *classic* batterer.

    I’m a staunch progressive Democrat, and I do NOT care about his Iraq veteran’s status (PTSD is nothing but a copout); and Herbig’s marital status is also quite irrelevant.

    http://www.theduluthmodel.org/pdf/PowerandControl.pdf

    None of this is excusable.

    From *any* legislator.

    D, G, R, or U

    What part of DV (power and control) don’t some of you “get??”

    • Anonymous

      Not arguing with the rest, but I know too many people with PTSD to call it a “copout” . . .

      • mainefem

        Pulling a sudden PTSD copout out of one’s defendant’s hat is never an excuse for battering anyone.

        No dice.

        All branches of the military have DV policies in place, and all are debriefed appropriately before being discharged.

        Nice attempt at a copout.

        http://www.theduluthmodel.org/training/wheels.html

        • Anonymous

          A lot of people want to forget what we send men and women out to do, in our country’s name.  And ignore how those things change people.  Debrief?  That means nothing.  Try “years of psychiatric treatment.”  But  that costs money.

          • mainefem

            Very true.

            Military personnel have full access to mental health counseling, too.

            Right here–for those of you who are functionally literate!

            http://afterdeployment.org/

            Before, during, and after discharge.

            http://www.facebook.com/afterdeployment

            Millions of Americans have no healthcare coverage at all.

            This using PTSD as a Iraq veteran copout for DV has got to cease.

            I need to see documented *proof* that anyone has been legally diagnosed with PTSD, when, how severe it was/is; and whether they even bothered to obtain mental health counseling) professional–not an informal support group.

            http://mnstr.me/IzE2hc

    •  They should both resign, for “conduct unbecoming.”

      • mainefem

        The victim never resigns.

        Your ignorance is simply astounding.

        http://www.theduluthmodel.org/training/wheels.html

        •  She’s a “victim” of her own lack of good sense and judgment, more than anything else.

          A court of law will determine whether she was a victim of criminal behavior.

        • Guest

          I would like to know where it is proven, set aside her accusing Alex of wrong doing. It is very possible He is the Victim here. None of the storys make a claim of his guilt, the are just reporting on what she is doing, which is accusing him.

  • Anonymous

    Here is how it should go: 
    both need to be suspended without pay and a full investigation conducted
    by the state police.  If he is found to
    have committed the offences that he is accused of then his service to the state
    is over and appropriate charges filed and arrest made as needed.  If she is found to have been married at the
    time of this “romance gone bad” then she needs to be relieved of her duties as
    well.  If she cannot make good decisions
    in her personal life how can she be trusted to make good decisions for the
    people of this state? 

    This should go for all publicly elected officials:  if accused of an impropriety the official
    should be suspended without pay while a proper investigation is made into the
    charges.  If the charges are proven false
    then the official shall be reinstated with back pay provided and a public
    announcement of innocence and the accuser investigated and charged as needed.  If the official is guilty then the official
    is removed from service and appropriate charges filed if required by law.  If public officials cannot make good
    decisions in their personal lives then they are not trustworthy enough to make
    good decisions on behalf of the public. 
    Maybe this would lead to a better quality of leadership in this country.  All public officials need to be held to a
    higher standard as their decisions determine the direction that this country
    heads, and right now the country is not headed in a good direction.

  • Liberials, if you must vote for Democrats, please try to select some adults.

  • Anonymous

    Another 2 year old in Augusta!

  • Jason Simonds

    Wow.. what a conversation… so titillating!! … meanwhile some of us are commemorating  the students shot on the Ohio State Campus so many years ago…. 

    See how easy we get sucked into trivial conversations… 

  • Guest

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    • mainefem

      He has no “emotional problem,” or “mental health problems,” for that matter.

      DV is all about power and control.

      It’s a calculated and *intentional* series of behaviors and attitudes over time.

      Early intervention is crucial; as is recognizing the red flags (it’s called prevention, people).

      Doh.

      http://www.theduluthmodel.org/training/wheels.html

      du Houx should’ve been *forced* to resign months ago (Nutting and Cain).

      It’s impossible to devise a comprehensive safety plan for anyone who is a legislator in Augusta. 

    •  Did she, in your opinion, display stellar good sense in getting involved with a fellow House member? Particularly while she was married?

      There is no excuse for du Houx, if what she alleges is true. No excuse for his behavior.

      However, that doesn’t erase her own poor choices.

      • Guest

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        • mainefem

          I only semi-agree with you.

          Nobody can claim (in 2012) ignorance, re: what constitutes DV, date rape culture & related violence, & stalking, etc.!

          The unwillingness to detect red flags (in 2012) early on blows my mind; although our world is full of “needy chicks,” who will settle for anyone.

          It’s incredulous to say otherwise (this isn’t the 1960s or 1970s).

          http://www.theduluthmodel.org/training/wheels.html

          These two are in their late twenties; and are well beyond fully grown adults.

          However, the cell phone and computer records over many months will be of great benefit (formal discovery|evidence).

          Despite Erin’s outrageously poor choices, she doesn’t “deserve” this.

          Both of them have excellent medical coverage, BTW.

          Seeking mental health counseling (voluntarily) should be a no-brainer (long before now).

          Thousands of Mainers have NO healthcare insurance coverage, or access to mental health professionals.

        •  Elected officials are supposed to know better.

  • Anonymous

    How were they living together for a year if they represent districts that are more than 50 miles apart? If someone could explain that to me that would be great…

    • Anonymous

      How it works is this–it is like a slumber party (coed) (without adult supervision) while the legislature is in session.  I guess the feeling is what happens in Augusta stays in Augusta.  (Apologies to Las Vegas) That was directly from a state senator a couple of years ago.

  • Anonymous

    this is why most places discourage and/or ban coworker relationships…ridiculous

  • Anonymous

    Dear Alex and Erin,

    Grow up.  Move on.  That is all.

    Signed, The Maine Taxpayers that pay your salary.

    • Anonymous

      Pretty sure that’s what she’s trying to do.

  • Anonymous

    Guess when I post I must hit the truth to much, as they bury my comments!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    It makes me so queazy to read this – too close to home for some people I know.  No one, male or female, should feel threatened or be harassed like this – there are no excuses.  I did not know that you had to hand over your licensed weapons when a protection order is granted – would be nice to see guns out of the hands of some abusive spouses/significant others so that the other person would feel some sort of relief to serve a protection order.  But you know, if someone wants to physically hurt you, they will find a way.  my heart goes out to anyone in this situation – get out – you have friends who will help you…

  • Anonymous

    If I were this woman I would pack up and leave quickly to somewhere unknown to him. This guy will not stop until he [I hate to say it] kills her. The police can do nothing until he does harm her, which is a pretty  sad commentary. He has been warned and still does not stop. As he is a veteran of the war in Iraq, he may have stress related problems, but this does not help her situation, he is the one that needs medical help.

  • mainefem

    The Duluth power and control wheel has been around since **1984**, people.

    There’s zero excuse for DV in 2012.

    Period.

    All Duluth wheels (which includes an ***equality wheel***) are readily available.

    Pleading ignorance, re: failure to intervene looooooong before red flags appear is no excuse.

    http://www.theduluthmodel.org/training/wheels.html

    •  You keep writing these false allegations, but you’re wrong. House leadership has been doing everything they can legally to deal with the situation, since at least February.  Read the articles, instead of posting the same link 19,000 times.

  • Anonymous

    I have only one word for these hypocritical tea billies. “Newt.”

  • Anonymous

    During the EUT hearings in Augusta, Alex was more interested in his laptop than he was in what we had to say, even though some took a day off from work and drove 3 hours to testify. Now I know what he was looking at.

  • Patten_Pete

    Here’s Angus King lending his support to Du Houx:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1na-dI0EkZE 

    • Robert Brennan

      May 5 “OUR VIEW” Editorial MTM/Pingree Press (summary)

      “In the interest of the people of Maine, including those in his district, Cornell du Houx should take a leave from his legislative duties.”

      You have been officially thrown under, Alex.
      Watch how fast King exits the bus.

       

      • Patten_Pete

        Noticed that the Pingree Press Herald / Maine Sussman Telegram has killed commenting on this article. Perhaps Ramona moaned.

        Angus won’t throw him under the bus. Instead, he’ll throw Du Houx under his 40′ RV. That’s the gas guzzling one King drives from which he lectures the unwashed commoners about their carbon footprints.

        • Anonymous

          How observant you are!  Good for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If I could like your post a million times on that statement alone, I would do it. The enviro-hypocrites are being exposed and not a moment too soon.

  • Anonymous

    Look at the facts in the allegations folks- there are none.
    This is just a breakup of a couple engaged to be married.

    Try not to judge who is right or wrong until the facts are published.
    King’s support is there for good reason.

    • Robert Brennan

      Perhaps this poster is his mother Ramona coming to the defense of her son. If so, my question to you is, how on earth could you “celebrate the engagement” (in December) of your son, complete with a $20,000 engagement ring to a woman who was still legally married?
      It does not speak well of your family values or of your son’s endorsers’ values.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t know where you got the idea of a $20,000 engagement ring. I never wrote that.
    They did exchange rings on Christmas with the promise to be engaged. They were then officially engaged after her divorce became final in January. 

    All I think people should do is not to jump to conclusions. This tabloid style article is one sided. Alex is an officer in the Navy, he’s served his country with distinction in Iraq as a Marine. The assumptions people make here that he may have PTSD are hurtful to all combat veterans. He has a clean bill of health.

    I don’t want to see any veteran labeled with PTSD because of unfounded allegations.

  • Robert Brennan

    “SmartSillyHappy
    Just wanted to state that the articles in the newspapers are incredibly one-sided and do not provide adequate  or accurate information regarding the whole situation.  There is no doubt that Erin Herbig has serious psychological issues that arefar from presented in this article.  She is incredibly manipulative, often binge drinks, snorts pills before going curling, and has actually been quite abusive towards Alex Cornell du Houx.  Just consider his perspective
    for a moment.   The single most important thing to him is his career
    including representing his district and defending the citizens of the
    united states.  He has spent countless hours doing this.  He would not,
    would never, do anything to damage his career or damage any other
    human being- no matter how abusive she was to him.  He loved her too
    much and gave her far to0 much, including a 20 thousand dollar engagement ring and everything and anything she would ask for.  It would be nice if the articles would represent his view also. ”

    Like Reply………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..
      This, from the Bowdoin College newspaper, sounds like something you (or a family member) wrote, Ramona and is the source of engagement ring price.

  • Anonymous

    Well,
    SmartSilyHappy whoever they are has a right to post comments. Their engagement is no secret. They were two people very much in love. They were planning a lifetime together. Where’s the crime in that? He’s gotten tremendous support from his constituents about this.

    Anyone who has been deeply in love understands a breakup is hard. It’s very emotional. It unfortunately happened to these two during an intense session in the legislature. People who work in offices where this happens know its hard on the workplace situation but with time it sorts itself out.

    Alex fought hard to keep Maine’s energy standards and defended the great work he’s done on the energy committee during this time.

    He deserves a chance to tell his side of the story and the respect from people not to judge him on allegations on a temporary order. These orders are issued to let a judge decide.

    • Robert Brennan

      I don’t know quite how to respond. Clearly, you are very upset with events. Good luck.

  • Anonymous

    How about saying you understand that people should not jump to conclusions over a TEMPORARY order which is based on one persons allegations. Let’s wait and see what happens at the court hearing. 

  • Robert Brennan

    Your argument is with the MTM/Pingree Press editors who (today) wrote:

    “Herbig’s allegations are just that, and Cornell du Houx says he disputes
    many of them. However, there is enough that is beyond dispute to
    believe that the matter will be resolved at the May 14 court session. In
    the interest of the people of Maine, including those in his district,
    Cornell du Houx should
    take a leave from his legislative duties.”

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