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  • So what?

    • Anonymous

      You’ll have to join another fraternity. 

      • Anonymous

        Not quite that easy.  The current brothers will not be able to join another fraternity (most of the time in these situation another fraternity wouldn’t want them anyway).  The pledges will have the opportunity to join another fraternity since they have not gone thru the induction process.   

        • They can remain members of their national fraternity, unless on a case-by-case basis they’ve been expelled.

          • Anonymous

            Usually the national will allow them to go alum when something like this happens.  Was responding more to the “you’ll have to join another fraternity” comment than really addressing what would specifically happen to the brothers.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe they could start, or transfer their charter to Husson.

    • Husson would only want them if they’re athletes.  Preferably football players.

    • Anonymous

      Husson would have to approach their national and request them to colonize.  Different school would be a different charter.

  • waynorth1

    Not to sound ignorant, but what happens to the house?  

    • Anonymous

      Either stays there, they pay taxes or it goes up for sale.  

    • Anonymous

      Probably Similar to what the University had done with the Sigma Chi house, office space

    • They might put it up for a lottery and give other organizations a chance to use it. They did it with the ATO house (prior to ATO recently becoming re-charted on-campus), which allowed the Chi Omega sorority to use the house. 

    • Anonymous

      It depends.  Some fraternities own the land and house, and can choose to continue to live in the house as an unrecognized fraternity.  They are not allowed to participate in official campus events, etc.   Phi Gamma Delta did this when they were suspended.  Other fraternities own their house but have a long term lease on the land from the University.  In those cases they university can often force them to vacate the house.  It is usually rented to a sorority or fraternity that does not have their own house.  In the case of Sigma Chi (someone else mentioned the U took it and turned it into offices), after going dry and rebuilding membership from the only brother that stayed on  they spent $250,000 to fix up the house, which was damaged after years of parties.  5 or 6 years later they were in financial trouble and the alumni chose to sell the house to the University.

  • Anonymous

    How active is their alumni organization?

    • Anonymous

      Back in the mid to late 80’s they were very active…now I’m not sure. 

  • Party on Garth…

  • Anonymous

    Fraternities are an outmoded, vestigial remnant of a dying system. Many schools have done away with them completely.

    • Anonymous

      Do you have any reasoning for that?

      • Anonymous

        no he doesn’t because he never had the courage to try to belong

        • Guest

          “The courage to belong”

          I’ll let you chew on the irony for a bit.

          • Anonymous

             How dare, you question FredrickMueller’s courage… it’s a courageous decision to part with your money to buy friends and dress exactly like everybody else.  The easy path is to be an individual.  It is much harder to pay for friends and join the herd.

    • Cant argue numbers:

      – According to nationwide study of fraternity and sorority members, by
      belonging to a fraternity your chances of graduating are greater by up
      to 10 percent.

      – Greek members on average donate more than four times as much to their respective universities as alumni than do non greeks.

      – As Alumni, Greeks give approximately 75% of all money donated to universities.

      – As undergraduates, Greeks raise approximately $7 million per year for charities.

      – As undergraduates, Greeks give approximately 850,000 volunteer hours per year.

      – Studies prove that Fraternity and Sorority Alumni are much more likely
      than non-Greeks to participate in community service activities after
      graduation.

      – Forty-three of the 100 members of the U.S. Senate are members of a fraternity or sorority.

      – Thirty-Six percent of the House of Representatives are members of a sorority or fraternity.

      – Of North America’s 50 largest corporations, 43 are headed by Greek men and women, 30% of all Fortune 500’s.

      – 7 out of 10 people listed in Who’s Who are Greek.

      – 40 of 47 U.S. Supreme Court Justices have been and are Greek.

      – 63% of all U.S. Cabinet members since 1900 have been and are Greek.

      – All of the Apollo 11 astronauts were Greek.

      – There are 400,000 active members in Greek organizations nation-wide.

      – Less than 3% of the United States is Greek.

      ALSO THIS:
      All but two of the US presidents, since 1825 have been Greek
      All but two of the US vice presidents, since 1825 have been Greek

      • Anonymous

         Can’t argue this – the Fraternity experience that I had in college was not only the most important part of my experience there, it was one of the more memorable and rewarding experiences of my life.  I can’t tell you the name of the dean at my college, but I can name every guy in my fraternity. 

        •  SO true. The last two and a half years have been the best of my life. I have held many positions in my fraternity (Sigma Nu chapter at USM). I was Academic Chair, House Manager, LEAD Chair, and Chaplain. And I still have a year or so before I graduate with degree in Mechanical Engineering and a minor in Sustainability.

          • Anonymous

            You write well and appear to be a good kid.  Disregard to losers trying to cut you down. Thats what weak people do, try to cut others down to build themselves up. My fraternity was banned for a couple of years when pledging pictures were found. The brotherhood was kept alive as a mens club  as adult men do not need a  university sanction to associate

      • Anonymous

         Facts speak louder then any frivolous rant on a media outlet.
        You did a fantastic job and I commend you.  Thank You.
        AEKDB

      • Whoop de freakin doo. Want a cookie?

      • Anonymous

        1) Way to site the website you took every word from.
        and 2) $7 million a year.. 850,000 volunteer hours a year… How many undergrad “Greeks” are there in the country? I can’t find a population size.. But I think the money and volunteer work per greek is not terribly impressive. Not to mention what is considered as “volunteer”…

        • Anonymous

          There’s probably 7 million Greeks and they each sold 1 LiveStrong bracelet.

      • Anonymous

        A couple of quick points… first there have been over 100 supreme court justices. 

        The larger point though is that when adjusted for demographics, fraternities and sororities are a net drain on their members cognitive development and GPA.  Studies that control for these factors have shown that they are 10% less successful than they should be at their intellectual development at college.  They do attract heavily from the upper and middle class privileged class, and their higher overall GPA shows this, but in comparison to the rest of their middle and upper class friends their GPA is lower.

        Also, the 850,000 hours of community service is so not impressive. There areover 400,000 active greeks on American campuses, this means that on average they contribute 2.125 hours per year to volunteering and giving back to their community. That works out to almost 2 and a half minutes a week.

        •  Well, I suppose I can’t speak for Fraternities nation wide, but I can name at least half a dozen of my brothers who would not still be in college if it wasn’t for being in our Fraternity. I would say HAVING a GPA is much better then none at all.

          As for demographic, I am by NO means upper middle class, and neither are the majority of my brothers. I am paying for college completely by myself. Not because my parent don’t want to pay, but because they cannot. My best friend and fellow Fraternity Brother was even in a worse boat. He lived with me fore a year before going to college.

          And for community server. We did nearly 500 hours in one semester. That is more then ANY other student organization on campus. We only had 20, maybe 25, brothers. At a single event for the Iris Network, we raised nearly $1,000. Almost a 1/3 of all money raised that day.

          I guess we could be the one anomaly, but I doubt. Stereo types are hard to change. Do we party? Yes. Is everything like Animal House? No, but I bet that’s what everyone here is thinking. I’m 23 and a college student. Anyone here who drinks any alcohol is a hypocrite. Have you gone to college? then you drank under age?

          • Anonymous

             Great!  I am glad to hear it, but I was just using the aforementioned statistics to show that 800,000 community service hours is not an amazing feat with 400,000 people involved.  If your frat has raised your GPA, that’s also wonderful… but I am just sharing with you what research shows, frats lower their members cognitive development and GPA when controlling for demographics.  If you feel that your dues was money well spent, then I am absolutely happy for you. 

      • Anonymous

        I don’t think using the stats for politicians was in your best interest here.  Otherwise, quite impressive.  Personally, back in the late 60’s/early 70’s I looked at fraternities and sororities as being undemocratic.  A not uncommon perspective at the time and I’m not sure that I’d change my view today.   Though in all modest honestly I was not invited to join either.  Perhaps I made my opinion too public.

      •  Translation:  Greek’s protect the privileged by giving them even more and favor each other over ‘outsiders’.  Numbers like that don’t sound too impressive when you consider that a frat boy in a powerful position will always consider another frat boy over anyone else, they just continue the cycle.  Don’t even get me started on the charity, big corporations do charity to make themselves look good too; there’s that added benefit of getting more exposure.  And I don’t care that others have good experiences, of course you did, you were part of the organization.  It’s how they relate to others that can be a problem.

        • Anonymous

          I experienced the same “brotherhood/sisterhood” when I was in the military.  I have also received job opportunities because of what I did in the military.  I keep in touch with my military friends just like I keep in touch with my sorority sisters.   We each bring our own prejudice to the table.   Society as a whole can be cruel…I don’t feel that greeks are any different then the rest of society…some are good and some are bad.

          • Anonymous

            atta girl.

          •  A valid point, and I’m really happy to see someone not speaking in absolutes around here.  Still, my point is that the vast majority of exposure I’ve had with greek houses (and Im a student, so it’s not just through media) I’ve seen a very, very strong reluctance to admit/address flaws and bad attitudes even in the ‘good’ ones. 

          • Anonymous

            I like to think that I’m a realist.  Change is hard…greek houses have things they do just because “it’s the way we’ve always done it”…and it takes a strong advisory council to stand up to the collegiates and say not this year.  Good leadership from the top would help make good strides in changing the reputation of the greek system as a whole.  It’s more than just enforcing the rules and regulations.  Sororities have had an easier time than fraternities in addressing that need to change.  Understand that it can take years to change the mindset in a house. 
             

      • Anonymous

        Bowdoin in a very controversial move first eliminated fraternities and then recreated social houses. And it worked, in the sense that a variety of social problems related to binge drinking and other related problems….regular pickups of comatose  students that would make headlines and sexual assaults, were reduced considerably. 

        Apparently Colby and Bates are following Bowdoin’s lead and doing the same.

        I grew up around one highly regarded college that had a week long spring ‘celebration’..beer even ran downhill in the gutters; and went to another ‘big ten’ school where parties were measured in kegs…a 50 kegger was common. The dropout rate as a consequence was phenom. and a lot of talented students never made it past their Junior year. 

        The sooner UMS realizes there are other more desirable ways to meet student social needs, the better off we all will be. 

        • Anonymous

          It is easier to control these issues on small campuses like Bates, Bowdoin and Colby.  Even if you banned fraternities and sororities on campus at UMO, there is still going to be alcohol issues and parties.  Just read The Maine Campus…once a week they publish the police round up from the previous weekend…most are issues that are occurring in the dorms not the fraternities.  Not trying to deny there is a problem…just pointing out that the greeks are not the primary source of the problem…merely a symptom of a larger campus problem.

    • Anonymous

      I was in one as a parent no problem letting them learn in a controlled environment .. you dont get it

    • Anonymous

      they are a tradional system .. good people good system ..

    • Anonymous

      hmmm

    • Anonymous

      A girl lives, a house dies.

  • Good riddance.

  • Anonymous

    What an embarrassing overreaction by this administration! Two kids are sent to the hospital for underage drinking and the frat gets kicked off campus for 5 years!! Let’s start with a semester probation. Now drinking will be driven underground, binge drinking will increase, and more students will be in danger. Fraternities are one of the only social systems left that still promotes interaction with people, not computers. 

    • Anonymous

      Clearly they already were demonstrated their lack of responsibility as an organization. Like the article says this isn’t their first rodeo. Maybe they should stop being the stereotypical frat that throws huge ragers every night and invites a bunch of girls who are way to young. 

      • Anonymous

        Sigma Number has prime real estate on campus, and the university has been trying to get the land for years. This is why UMaine is cracking down. The fraternity may have exercised poor judgment in this instance, and the university is simply seizing the opportunity. From my experience, those that are quick to judge have a predetermined mindset of fraternities, and don’t/will not listen to the value of joining one. I only hope that BB still has the back of Delta Nu!

        • Anonymous

          From my experience, fraternity brothers on the University of Maine campus embody the stereotype full-heartedly. I have lived with twenty of them for a semester and know what they are like and what they do. Maybe the value of joining is getting 17 year-old girls to get drunk. In that case, its all yours.

          • Anonymous

            From my experience, those that are quick to judge have a predetermined mindset of fraternities, and don’t/will not listen to the value of joining one.

          • Anonymous

            By repeating yourself you’re making your argument less and less credible. It is literally my job to give everyone a chance. I did, they proved themselves unable to handle themselves like mature individuals unless they believed that their fraternity was going to give some sort of punishment. I’m sure not every fraternity is bad, and i’m sure there are benefits of joining, however that is not the point of this article. These gentlemen of this frat nearly got two young girls killed. In case you didn’t know, alcohol can do that. EMT’s would not have taken them to the hospital if it wasn’t a dire emergency. Learn to party appropriately.

          • Anonymous

            You win.

          • Anonymous

            wow

          • Anonymous

            Over and over you sound like either someone who makes a living selling alcohol to underage kids or someone who is too dumb to understand what’s wrong with the “drink to you drop” approach to partying. There are reasons that underage kids shouldn’t drink, among them the fact that immature kids don’t know when to stop and the potential for irreversible damage to developing brains. If you don’t care about kids, you shouldn’t be discussing them or laws that protect them.

          • Anonymous

            I am definitely calling your bluff on that one. Beauty of the internet is that you can be whatever you want to be. I do work two jobs for the university and I am not proud of that because it IS corrupt. However, my support of this decision is my own and either way I lean carries no effect on the situation because it is far above my head. I work with EMT’s on a regular basis and have seen 4 instances where overly intoxicated minors were NOT taken to the hospital  because the EMT’s took a second to determine if they needed it. If you do happen to be an EMT maybe you should work on becoming re-certified.

          • Anonymous

            the two girls did this to themselves , what did they pour liquor down thier throats?

          • Anonymous

            Have you been to college? Ever seen someone funnel a beer? They literally could have had beer poured down their throats. If a kid shoots himself with his dad’s loaded and unlocked gun, is it his fault? Or is it the fault of the dad for not taking precautions?

          • Anonymous

            why yes i have, and yes ive seen and done, seen people funnel whiskey- all by choice-personal choice. If a kid – like an 18 year old adult you mean or a 17 year old who would know better shoots themselves it is thier own fault.

          • Anonymous

            The fraternity invited them into the house, and the fraternity gave them alcohol. The fraternity knew it was wrong and did it anyway.

          • Anonymous

            Don’t judge all greeks by what you see at UMO!  There are many campuses where the greeks aren’t all the embodiment of Animal House!  I am a UMO alum and I advise a sorority on another campus…totally different atmosphere!  Just take a look at the large number of drinking violations that occur on the UMO campus that aren’t fraternity related!

          • Anonymous

            Yes we are getting off topic though. This is about the maturity of those frat brothers and their choice to let 17 year old girls who are 4-6 years younger than them into a party. I’m sorry “bros” if you want girls there’s about 5,000 of them that go to UMaine.

          • Anonymous

            I don’t think it’s off topic.  Because it was a fraternity, there are a lot of comments denigrating the greek community as a whole.  This is about many people’s bad judgement…the parent’s of the girls that were at the party (The Maine Campus says they were from Winslow…didn’t they wonder where their high school age daughters were?), the girls themselves and the boys that let them in.  I’ve seen some of these high school girls that are 16 and dressing and looking 24.  It still doesn’t excuse the fraternity’s bad judgement but it doesn’t mean that all greeks on the campus are bad.

          • Anonymous

            Like I said in some of my other comments. I lived with some and they are good people with decent intentions (I don’t know about their pledges) but they were some of the most irresponsible people I’ve met at this age. I know there are some frats on campus that are academically driven such as Sig Ep which is a dry frat. I just really hope greek life as a whole cleans up its act. Its because of things like this that I didn’t join any form of greek life.

        • Anonymous

          You do know that the Sigma Nu national most likely own the house right? How that the University take over there house?

          • Anonymous

            I could be wrong, but the University owns many of the greek houses on campus, and they are in turn leased to the organization. There are a few greek houses that are owned by the fraternity but most are on leased/borrowed land belonging to the university.  Granted it was over a decade ago I was in  a greek organization at UMO, and I realize things could have changed. 

        •  Wow, playing the victim much?

      • Anonymous

        jealous?

        • Anonymous

          Clever and mature.

      • Anonymous

        itsthe two girls that were irresponsible no one forced anything down thier throats and they would have exhibited this behavior wherever they were. This is a blame game move nothing more. There is too much in todays world of trying to place blame or someone or something for poor personal choices

        • Anonymous

          I can’t believe you even made it into college, much less a fraternity. Most schools require at least a minimal knowledge of punctuation.

        • Anonymous

          i can think of a couple of fraternities on campus this would never have happened in.

    • Anonymous

      Whether or not fraternities are around underage people will drink.

      • Anonymous

        Yeah, and your comment is irrelevant. Neither the university nor the fraternity is in the position to permit or condone underage drinking whether on campus or at an officially sanctioned fraternity/sorority, and to not take action, especially after repeated offenses and disciplinary action, is tantamount to approving such behavior. It would be IRRESPONSIBLE for the university to not act.

        • Anonymous

          I was responding to the comment about drinking going “underground” it already happens and will continue to happen and there is nothing short of eliminating alcohol that will prevent it from happening.  I made no such comment that anyone should condone underage drinking.

        • Anonymous

          that is crap – for decades 70’s -80’s  this wasn’t even an issue  it was an issue in the 50’s -60’s  do you really think there is a need top make it an issue again – what will happen as before these lids will grow up and call for the laws to be relaxed due to what they perceive as oppression – it has happened before and will again  

          • Anonymous

            Saying things like “it has always happened” is a terrible argument. Rape has always happened (im not saying fraternities rape people, calm down) but do you think that should continue just because it has always happened?

    • Anonymous

      They were already on secret probation several times before this incident.  

      • Anonymous

         I believe it was double secret probation

        • Anonymous

          triple, double secret probation, per dean Wormer. 

    • Dan Troop

      The story clearly states that, ” The University of Maine has levied a five-year suspension against Sigma Nu fraternity after repeated violations of the student conduct code”.  This means that the decision was based on more than one incident where to minors were transported to the hospital for severe intoxication. Disciplinary action is progressive by nature and since this chapter has already been suspended once for two years the current suspension seems appropriate.
       
      “Now drinking will be driven underground, binge drinking will increase, and more students will be in danger.” Nice try but this statement doesn’t even come close to passing the straight face test. Yes, student are still going to drink but it is not going to drive them underground. They will simply find another frat house or someones apartment off campus. Binge drinking won’t occur any more than it does now and no more students will be at risk than there are now. At least not from drinking. They may however be more at risk of being arrested because they will no longer have the safety on being on campus where a lot of this activity is overlooked.
       
      “Fraternities are one of the only social systems left that still promotes interaction with people, not computers.” This again does not passs the straight face test. There of plenty of places for students to meet and interact beside frat houses and if the students are not smart enough to know that than they probably shouldn’t be wasting their time and money attending college.
       

      • Anonymous

        wrong society is over reacting as are you with your silly rhetoric . I absolutely can assure you this frat will continue and drinking/hazing  does and will continue underground it has been happening since the late 1980’s when the hazing rules came into play all across the nation. you do not know what you are talking about underground means off campus ,in the woods away from campus jurisdiction- thats all happens every day- and doing that is way safer than being on campus that is why they do it . 

        • Anonymous

          Oh yeah Fred: great model to perpetuate – binge drinking and punishment and humiliation. You go guy! Another genius with arrested development.

    • Anonymous

      An over reaction? They were sent to the HOSPITAL.  

    • Anonymous

      • Anonymous

        Since when is enforcing the state law being a “control freak”?  

    • Anonymous

      They don’t just kick a fraternity off campus.  I’m sure that Sigma Nu was already on probation for a previous violation of the campus alcohol policy.

  • Anonymous

    double secret probation

  • Anonymous

    5 Years? Sounds like a death sentnce. Maine probably already has designs on the house.

    • Anonymous

      Not necessarily.  When I was at UMO the PIKES had been thrown off the campus…now they are back.  Since I graduated ATO, Sigma Chi and several other have been thrown off campus and come back.  Five years means that all of the existing brothers and pledges should be gone before the chapter is considered for recolonization.  

    • Anonymous

      They usually do five years to try and make sure that all fraternity brothers involved have graduated or have left the University. 

  • Anonymous

    FOOD FIGHT!

  • Anonymous

    The biggest problem is that college kids just don’t think about the liability that comes with hosting an illegal party.  If something happens the officers, national and the university can be held liable…in some instances the parent’s of individual fraternities and sororities can be held financially liable and can be sued.  There is a proper way of going about having social functions!   Both with and without alcohol…both their nationals and the school provide that information over and over!  Sorry Sigma Nu, I have no sympathy for the trouble you’ve gotten yourselves into.

    • Anonymous

      Thank you!

    • Anonymous

      really?? trouble??  whos life is this yours or theres?

      • Anonymous

        Yeah, who needs laws anyhow. I’m guessing if it was your daughter getting passed around like a football you’d be singing a different tune.

      • Anonymous

        Um, no I am far from being a liberal.  Actually, I am a  sorority advisor.  What’s your problem? 

        • Anonymous

          I can tell you what hmmwv’s problem is. He’s a frat boy who never grew up, who still sees his frat time as the highpoint of his life, and who can’t move on. In short the kind of guy who perpetuates the negative image of fraternities. Genius. 

          • Anonymous

            Unfortunately, I’ve seen what happens when a school doesn’t take a hard stance on enforcing the rules.  ODU had a pledge drink himself to death at a fraternity sponsored party…ask that fraternity president how his life has changed (he was sued and so were his parents).  I think as alums and greeks we need to be encouraging responsibility in our brother and sister greeks not encouraging them to continue to act irresponsibly.  They can still have parties…just do it the right way!  Put the responsibility back on the university…if this incident had happened at a properly planned party (paperwork, insurance, bartender etc) the fraternity would still be on campus and it would have been the university that was liable for those young ladies!

  • Anonymous

    I worked at UMO in 2004 when we built the glass palace in which Dean Dana resides. During construction they became known as the deans of nothing because they served no real purpose to the university.

    Mr Dana at that time and since seems to be a religious zealot who is anti drinking, anti sex and anti fraternity. Let’s get real — we send teenagers to college — they drink, they have sex and they belong to fraternites and sororities. Does that make them bad ? No they are in the process of growing up. Should we support it ? No. Should we get all self righteous like Dean Dana ? No. They are kids trying to become adults. This is not an easy transition. And no self- righteous Dean is going to make it any easier.

    Should the fraternity be placed on probation? Most likely. Banned? Not hardly I am sure they have done more good than bad.

    Kids are kids and they have to grow up — we all did.

    • Anonymous

      I don’t think you understand the seriousness of alcohol poisoning.

      • Or the issue of a fraternity having high school girls come in to get intoxicated at one of their *organized* parties.  Adults (which the older college men are) luring in teenaged girls.  What is that called?

        • Anonymous

          I think “luring” is a bit much.  More like the girls showed up and were cute so the guys let them in to party…not taking into consideration they might not be college girls.

          • Tom Brown III

             I appreciate your position on that. We never had to lure girls to the house, they see the people, hear the music, smell the beer w/e… they showed up haha. However, we did ask for ID if they looked younger. College/frat guys arent all corrupt evil date rapists, which seems to be the mentality of many people. In my opinion younger (underage) girls tend to be far less cautious with their intial experimentation with alcohol.

            Both of these girls made a choice to go drinking on a college campus, knowing that underage drinking is illegal. They also made a choice to not control themselves. The choice to call the ambulance and bring them to the hospital was made by someone in that frat house which is great. Good on them for taking responsibility for another persons lack of respect and responsibility. I have heard a lot of stories of kids getting alcohol poisoning and people being too afraid to call because they were all underage and would get in trouble and the poisoned ones end up dying.

          • Anonymous

            At one point I was that underage girl.  I was never lured into a fraternity house.  I made a conscious decision to walk up the steps and try to get into the party.  What I did always do though was travel with a friend…we both went in and we both left the party together.  I agree that younger girls are pretty naive.

    • Anonymous

      youre missing the point.  because these kids went to hospital, there is a public record and then the university is compelled to act.  these kids could keep from you know getting so drunk they need medical attention then nobody would really care

    • Anonymous

      test

  • Anonymous

    go off campus

    • Anonymous

      I think you need to reevaluate how a REAL fraternity used to act. The brothers before you would probably be ashamed of what you’ve become.

  • Anonymous

    get a house off campus

    • Anonymous

      Ah VCU that explains alot!

  • Guest

    Surprise Surprise!  Two underage girls intoxicated at a fraternity. 

    (The rest of this post was deleted as it referred to less than chivalrous reasons for getting them drunk and would probably have gotten me booted off of here.)

  • Anonymous

    What about the Phi Mu Delta and TKE houses in Gorham? All boarded up. Marty Harris where are you?

  • might as well sanction all of them .. for good.. I suppose some good has come out of these organizations over the years, but the kids have changed, discipline is lacking, enforcement is poor and always has been at this level.. as far back as the mid 60’s there has been underaged drinking … this I know for sure… so perhaps it’s time to move along, close it up…. and find another way to use these buildings…

    • Anonymous

      Here’s the thing.   I am a greek and I am still giving back to both my university (financially) and to my sisterhood (financially and via volunteering).  It is not my responsibility nor is it the universities responsibility to bring up other people’s children.  There is an expectation that when you arrive at the university you are an adult and that you will act like one.  Every greek organization has a national headquarters with rules and expectations.  Every fraternity and sorority chapter has an alumnae advisor or advisory council that assists in guiding the chapter in the right direction.  We can preach, we can teach, we can get on our soap boxes and beat drums but if the chapter is nodding their head and giving lip service to the rules and then running amok when we are not around…then yes they deserve the punishment.  The responsibility, the relationships, the learning to work with a diverse group of people toward a common goal and the financial management that is learned while a member of a greek organization can be an asset.  I do not regret deciding to join a sorority!  I have made business connections that I never would have been in a position to make because the person on the other side of the table was greek.  But for all the good these organizations can be…all it takes is one small group of individuals being out of control to give all greek organizations a bad name…so do we pass judgement on all because of one?  I think not!

      • Tom Brown III

         I can’t speak to the greek system @ UMO but like everything else I bet its similiar to my school; UNH. Frats are different then sororities there. The frats run the party scene plain and simple. over half the frats on campus 14 out of 25 were sanctioned while I was there. I spent time @ URI UCONN and UMASS amherst visting friends same scene… Frat houses getting sanctioned because they allowed underage drinking and broke various honor and conduct codes. During my time @ UNH I saw fraternity brothers help their youngers cheat, I saw TA’s falsify grades, legal interference in cases of underage drinking/drug use and just the general circle jerk you would expect from a good ol’ boys club.

        I am not saying the greek system is 100% corrupt and flawed. However the focus was  a t one point 50% academics 25% community service 25% party. Its disappointing but that isnt the case anymore its 75% party 10%  school 15% talking about partying. how far removed from college are you? I graduated 3 years ago. Since I have returned for department reunions UNH has lost even more official nationally recognized fraternal organizations.  Because the collective group think has changed, greeks are now more hedonistic that those of ancient greek which is leading to the downfall of the entire system.

        • Anonymous

          More removed than your 3 years…but I’m not ancient yet.  Your right fraternities are different from sororities.   The chapter I work with is on a campus that has only 1 fraternity that has been booted (I’ve been working with this chapter for 5 years) and 2 that are on probation (1 of those for a violation caused by an alumni during homecoming).  The average sorority gpa is 3.25 and the average fraternity gpa is 3.18.  Very different from the chapters at UMO (last grade reports I saw most were in the mid to high 2. somethings).  UMO was a huge party school when I was there…and it doesn’t appear to have changed much. 

          • Tom Brown III

             which is excatly what I am talking about. I love to party as much as the next person, but, schools and all organizations within need to be focused on academics and societal improvement not just who had the best rager last week and who will throw the next one…

          • Anonymous

            Agreed!  

    • Anonymous

      You are condoning stealing

  • Rob Grant

     Where is  the integrity, honor, and selfless service that these so called greeks talk about?? I’ve seen some frats that DO concentrate on following their charter mandates, but as with everything concerning people in transition towards adulthood it is a sometimes on and off again thing…
     Coaxing, inviting etc. underage females to “party” flies in the face of both integrity and honor  in my opinion. That it happens all over and not just frats is no excuse. Organisations touting higher standards while at the same time promoting unscrupulous behavior is not cool. While I can agree that ultimately it is their “choice” to drink or not, peer pressure is not something most young adults can ignore or overcome. That’s a proven fact…
     And it can also be argued that if this house was owned by a 40 year old and under-aged females were encouraged to consume alcohol and “party”  the outrage would more than likely be unanimous and vicious… 
    At the end of the day, wrong is always wrong and the are and should be consequences for actions both individual and collective. UMO did in fact have to act and if EVERY frat or sorority behaved in this manner then they would have all been suspended by now.

    • Anonymous

      Please don’t lump all greeks in one pile because of the actions of some.  You are right that there are some that follow the rules and do what is right.   And yes there are some that don’t.   While I’m getting on in years (sigh) I don’t think college campuses have changed much…while I was at UMO there weren’t any “invitations”…women just showed up at the fraternity house door…if you were decent looking the fraternity let you in and you partied.   I can almost guarantee that there was no coercion involved…I’d lay money that these girls just showed up, were cute and were let in to party.  Good excuse?  Nope.

      • Anonymous

        atta girl.

  • Anonymous

    I realize there is probably more to this story than is apparent but the punishment seems unduly harsh.  Nor do I think that all 28 of the brothers should be punished for the transgressions of a few.  Would the Dean shut down a dormitory because of similar behaviors?
    There are always those who are against fraternities/sororities but on balance they are a plus and it is a shame more kids don’t avail themselves of the opportunity to belong to one.
     

    • Anonymous

       Eh, I think it sounds a little lenient.  If I was Dean Dana I would have expelled the students.

  • Anonymous
  • i guess they were on double secret probation

  • Anonymous

    Something else is happening in society that is making this discussion irrelevant.

    People are maturing younger and younger…going through puberty by 11 or earlier.

    Laws that made 21 the legal age; have been pushed downward to 18..credit cards, rental agreements, single mothers, etc. assume an 18 yr. old is legally responsible.

    Yet colleges have a social design that makes them a sanctuary for anti-social behavior that would be, and frequently is, a crime off campus. 

    What we’re seeing are cracks and strains in an ancient system of higher education that protects youth until they are 21; yet sells them a car or leases them an apartment as if they were >21. 

    Frats. are no longer the sanctuary they once were; nor are they able to police egregious behavior of the ‘adults’ who live and party there.

  • Anonymous

    I was at the Sigma Nu house when the two girls in question were “intoxicated”. This article fails to mention three facts. 
    1. Both girls showed up uninvited, from another UM fraternity, on the day in question (St. Patrick’s Day).2. Both claimed they were on “molly”, a purified form of ecstasy.3. One girl collapsed, began seizing, convulsing, and vomiting.4. The brothers called for the ambulance immediately.In handing down this suspension, the UMaine administration has made the message crystal clear: Greek organizations who make a good-faith effort to preserve human life may not escape punishment. Unfortunately for UM and the student body, this harsh suspension may discourage other Greek organizations from calling an ambulance in similar situations. The value of human life is above all others. I hope the Sigma Nu brothers remember they did the right thing as they search for new homes. For their efforts, the Sigma Nu brothers have been ordered to vacate their home by 5pm, Friday, April 6th. The University of Maine graciously offered an opportunity to live in the dormitories for the remaining 3 and 1/2 weeks of the semester for $800 a person. 

    This unnamed girl should be thanking God for Sigma Nu. Had she collapsed outside and alone, the result could have been catastrophic. 

    A girl lives, a house dies. 

    • Anonymous

       No good deed goes unpunished.  But better to save a life than save a house.  And better for five years than for forever (as you stated, the girl lived).

    • Anonymous

      You have got to be kidding right? A girl lives, a house dies, is that going to be your chant? You guys messed up, and it wasn’t your first time. You have been warned and couldn’t clean up your act. 

    •  Seriously, what are you saying?  That since they lost their house they should have just let the girls die?   Wow, that right there embodies the stereotypical frat-boy attitude right there; us first, women are below us.  By saying this might make other houses think twice before calling help you, again, reenforce the idea that Greeks care for themselves first, and believe others below them.  I could understand claiming the ruling was unfair except that 1) There’s been a history of this at the frat house and 2) Your general attitude that a girls death was better than them losing their precious party house.  Any sympathy I may of had for this house and those associated IF this story was true is gone because of you callous attitude.

  •  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tfK_3XK4CI&feature=related

    lol

  • Anonymous

    What? Underage drinking on a college campus? How horrific!

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