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  • Anonymous

    “The legislation, LD 1497,
    was amended to stipulate that in the event the ACA survives the court
    challenge, only licensed insurance brokers can enroll people in health
    plans through a state exchange.”

    LOL! Sounds like they’re working really hard for the people of Maine.

    • Anonymous

      Hmmm… Wonder who has hands in who’s pockets?

    • Anonymous

      Excellent point. With the exception of an employee healthcare plan contracted by employers, people may directly purchase health insurance – no broker required who earns a fee that will be a direct cost to consumers or absorbed by them in some manner. That’s the way to go, Maine Legislature Republicans, put it to the middle-class again, while claiming to help us. It is astounding that so many middle-class allow themselves to be duped.

      • Anonymous

        You’re spot on. Why force people to use a broker if it isn’t necessary? They obviously aren’t looking out for the average Joe. If you look on Massachusetts’ insurance exchange, it’s the simplest thing in the world to navigate. You answer a few questions and then are presented with several different plan options, you pick one and you’re set up. That’s it. What Republican politicians are doing to this state is wrong.

  • Anonymous

    Obamacare…now expected to DOUBLE in cost and possible throw people off of their insurance.

    Obama=FAIL. One and done in 2012.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/health-reform-implementation/216223-cbo-millions-of-americans-could-lose-their-employer-coverage#.T2Ig49I6CRN.twitter

    • You might want to read the whole article on your link before you comment. Like most republicans, you are so hateful towards Obama that you can’t get the facts straight even if it’s put in front of you in black and white. Twisting words to get the out come you desire is a page out of the republican political bible. You must be a disciple.

      • Anonymous

        James–very well put

      • Sure James, democrats are truthful, honest and forthright and represent all that is good.  And even though half of Obama’s cabinet appointee’s don’t pay their income taxes is not at all a reflection of democrats in general.  And just because Bill Clinton gets $%# jobs in the Oval Office is no reflection of democrats in general.  And lets not forget about William Jefferson who got caught with $90,000 of bribe money in his freezer.  Shall I go on?

        • Anonymous

          you don’t really want us to start listing republicans do you? one of your boys running has quite a record of his own– or are you one of those “wide stance” republicans?

          • The point was that democrats are phony liars and cheaters too, not just republicans.  Most of the fools that post here believe that its just republicans that are bad because the Bangor Daily News is their bible and we know the BDN is fair and impartial – NOT.

          • Anonymous

            WE don’t need the BDN to tell us how badly the GOP has sold out to rich special interests and we don’t need FOX to tell us how to think. We can see that the GOP ONLY cares about the rich and that the DEMS are the only ones standing in the way of a complete GOP free for all for the rich…no regulations, lower tax rates for the rich, destroy the earth to make a profit bs the GOP pushes for EVERY SINGLE DAY!

      • Anonymous

        Twisting words. You tell me how my words are not backed up by this article. PROVE IT!

      • Anonymous

        I notice you are unable or unwilling to show where this article from The Hill (a respected journal) shows that the poster is lying. YOu gave no evidence and my reading of the article seems to go along with what the poster said. Maybe you are trying to spin the costs of the law and its effect to benefit the President.

    • “Let me be exactly clear about what health care reform means to you,”
      the president told residents of the Garden State. “First of all, if
      you’ve got health insurance, you like your doctors, you like your plan,
      you can keep your doctor, you can keep your plan.  Nobody is talking
      about taking that away from you.”–  President Obama.
        The latest figures from  the Congressional Budget Office  shoe that   4 million people will  loose their current Insurance plan and be forced onto the Gov. roles.In addition to these folks,The best estimate, subject to a “tremendous amount of uncertainty,” is
      that about 3 million to 5 million fewer people will obtain coverage
      through their employer each year from 2019 through 2022.”
      Obama Care is also expected to  cost  upwards of 2 TRILLION Dollars ,more than a 50 % increase in promised cost, by 2019.
      WTG Obama  and  Congressional Democrats.

      • Anonymous

        “Health expenditures in the United States neared $2.6 trillion in 2010, over ten times the $256 billion spent in 1980”
        http://www.kaiseredu.org/Issue-Modules/US-Health-Care-Costs/Background-Brief.aspx

        so looks like we would be saving money, right?
        and a single payer system would be better
        1/3 of your health care is profit for the industry, another 20% or more is administration costs
        cut out the health insurance industry gouging and you instantly drop the cost by 1/3

        •  The  2 Trillion number I listed  is an increase in expenditures,meaning it it added to the current amount.So to answer  one of your questions, No there are no  net savings in your “plan”.In fact  the cost sky rocket, not to mention the number of folks who will loose their  current health care and be forced onto the Gov. plan,or will never be offered it as a part of employment.
          This whole debacle is just a back door way to force folks onto the Gov.role, and  a way to collapse the insurance industry,forcing  a single payer system. Some of us know this.
           I would invite you to be honest with folks and tell them  you want to force them into  a single payer system, and Obama Care is just a way to trick them into  it . I would like to see how well that would work out for you.

          • Anonymous

            it would work out fine—there would not be the 1/3 going to profits and medicare administration costs are actually better that what the industry claims theirs are.
            i would love to collapse the health insurance industry—
            from Bloomberg 2009 and even truer today
            “The Business Roundtable, which represents CEOs from the largest U.S. companies, warned in a report released Sept. 15 that annual health-care costs for businesses will rise 166% over the next decade, to nearly $29,000 per employee, if Congress does not enact significant coverage and cost reforms. That’s even worse than the prior decade, according to a second report, which was released the same day. An annual survey by the nonprofit Kaiser Family Foundation reported that employer-sponsored health insurance premiums rose 5% this year, bringing the total increase over the past decade to 131%—more than four times the rate of overall inflation.”

          • So why not drop all the nonsense and lies protecting this nightmare of a “health care ” plan and just tell  folks that this is just a scheme  to collapse the insurance industry ,a back door , sneaky way to institute  single payer, or Government run Health Care system? Maybe because you would be run out of  the discussion?

          • Anonymous

            nice how you just ignore how BUSINESS leaders say that we can’t sustain the continuing increases from greedy insurance companies
            even those with employer provided health plans, WILL NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD IT
            what part don’t you understand?

    • Anonymous

       pants on fire

    • Anonymous

      Republicans lie and misrepresent EVERY SINGLE DAY because they know that if they couldn’t fool the fools, they would go the way of the Whigs and the Federalists…extinct.

      • Yawningattrolls

        I think they’re on that path now!

      • Anonymous

        I think that if you look there are 535 people in Washington DC supposedly taking care of us.  Tell me now who is lying.  We need to clean that place up before we all are broke.

        • Anonymous

          The GOP are the liars and the ones who don’t care about 98% of the people …except to fool them into voting for the GOP.

          • Anonymous

            Really who controls the White House, the Senate.  Who has not passed a budget for a few years now that would be the Obama-Biden administration.  Who was it that voted 98-0 on Nobama’s budget the Democrat Controlled US Senate. Heck  Nobama can’t even pass his current budget knowing its a real stinker of a budget it already will raise the debt by a 1 trillion dollars and it increases spending tremendously.  Obama is taking our country onto a path of more debt, credit downgrades, welfare expansion towards bankruptcy.  But as Democrats would call it Change You Can Believe In.

          • Anonymous

            Your premise is wrong from the start. The GOP control the Senate just as much as the Dems. It makes for better politics this election to NOT allow a budget to pass as the GOP has if it doesn’t meet their terms, so nothing gets done. The GOP created the mess to start with and won’t even allow it to be fixed.

          • Anonymous

            The Democratic party has the leadership of the Senate and the majority.  The Republicans have it in the House.  as an example the house has sent a budget to the senate at least the last two years and the Senate has failed to act upon it.  As a matter of fact they have not acted on the budget in oevr three years.  One of which they had control over both houses.  Maybe the deficit may not be quite so high if they got of their dead butts and did something.

          • Anonymous

            Because of the filibuster power in the Senate, which the Republicans have wielded a RECORD NUMBER of times in the past 3 years, both parties control the senate. The Dems can’t do ANYTHING without some GOP votes. The GOP, even though a minority, can stop every single thing they want and they often do.
            Majority rules in the House so things get done by a simple majority vote, even if its one party shoving crazy radical things done the other’s throat, like vouchers replacing medicare and more tax cuts for the rich.

      • Anonymous

        These numbers are from the Congressional Budget Office–not the Republicans.

  • Guest

    There should be NO stipulations where this insurance can be purchased………..otherwise, all the GOP will have their buddies selling the plans and making millions as they do now. Don’t do me any favors……..I’d rather pay as I go!!

  • StillRelaxin

    I’m good with what the GOP/Tea Party has done here. Come June after the Supreme Court decides in favor of the people instead of the insurance moguls and the minions who serve them this will just add fuel to the fire in getting voters (Who are just now figuring out what and who the GOP/Tea Party represents) out to vote a Democratic straight ticket next November.

    • Anonymous

      You really believe the Supreme Court is going to keep Obamacare.  Well keep dreaming because most folks think it will be repealed . Giving the Emperor another huge defeat in the long line of failures under his administration. With the biggest defeat coming on Election Day.

      • StillRelaxin

        Man, are you in for a rude awakening! Look at the bright side, you can use all your fireworks on the 4th because come November 6th there won’t be anything for you to celebrate. Happy 4th!

        • Anonymous

          If I was you I wouldn’t be celebrating this November Democrats already have accepted defeat in the U.S. Senate race.  They will get defeat in Gay Marriage II when us 53%ers show up to defeat this farce once again.  The same 53%ers we will also clean out what Democrats are left in Augusta. Finally we will get rid of Nobama because the majority of the country is fed up with his failed economic policies, his do nothing agenda to fix our energy issues,  him bailing out all of his rich friends at the expense of us working folks.  We will also send the message we don’t want to turn this country into a Socialist Welfare Haven like what is going on here in Maine.  Oh I already plan to buy alot of fireworks , also spending it the Hollywood Casino & Oxford Casins that way Welfare Bums won’t be getting one cent of my hard earned money.  I’d rather have it going to a useful cause.

          • Anonymous

            you seem to know all about welfare bums, personal experience? and anyone that says anything about socialism is a fool,, look up plutocracy

          • He thinks Plutocracy is a Disney Charactor!

          • Anonymous

            Spoken from someone who thinks being on Welfare is a Right and that it is economic growth.

          • Anonymous

            like most conservatives-delusional–you cant be foolish enough to believe there aren’t as many conservatives/republicans on welfare –or can you ?
            and we saw how the bush tax cuts spurred economic growth

          • Do Darkcats really glow in the Dark?

          • Anonymous

            No I just don’t like paying for them anymore. I hate when others live off of mine and other people’s tax dollars. Liberalism and Socialism is a disease that Democrats can have . Because most of the Maine people we want no part of it. We want freedom, less taxes, no handouts, more personal responsibility look that up in a dictionary. Something that all Democrats and Leftists like yourself know nothing about.

          • Anonymous

            Funny, each of the leading Republican nominees would have your taxes increase and their agendas would balloon the deficit. 

          • Anonymous

            Most Americans, and the vast majority of Republicans, don’t realize that taxes have decreased under Obama:DC==just one more delusional conservative

          • Anonymous

            Inflation is a tax.  And it has increased significantly the past three years.  It is a tax on poor people, who disproportionately made up of minorities.  And borrow has increased significantly as well (due to the skyrocketing spending).

          • Freedom?

            Property Rights?

            What are you going to fly to work? 

               Dont come on our public socialised rds and dont touch down on my private property along the way either!

              Good luck in your delusional fairy tale world of Individual Freedom because you are as bound to disrupt someone elses as they are to disrupt yours without the Socialised Common Usages.

            The world is full of give and take and you just cant take what you want from others without giving something in return

          • Anonymous

            The “disease” is called compassion.

          • Anonymous

            LOL, 53%ers? Last time we voted it was an off election year. Presidential election years have very high turn outs for young voters who are generally liberal on social issues. We’re going to have gay marriage this November :-)

          • Anonymous

            Sure it is trust me things aren’t going to change.  That is what supporters of Gay Marriage said last time.  You can vote a hundred times on it till it eventually passes.  Maine people want jobs and new businesses not Gay Marriage.

      • Anonymous

         ‘Obamacare’ is the GOP health ins. plan from the 90’s

        • Anonymous

          Sure it is its nothing more than the failed Dirigo Health program on a national level.

          • Anonymous

            your bright idea is to keep paying the health insurance industry
            I love it when social and economic darwinists get screwed by the very system they so ineptly try to defend.. they squeal so loud

        • Don’t confuse the poor guy!

          • Anonymous

            You won’t like it when the Supreme Court says its illegal in June.  Who will be laughing and saying I told you so.  ObamaCare is nothing more than what Dirigo was here in Maine a wasteful government program that breaks the backs of taxpayers creating massive deficits that we will never get out of.

          • Anonymous

            Anyone who thinks that providing healthcare coverage to 30 million people who currently don’t have insurance is a waste, is probably a waste of a human being who only cares about himself and not his fellow man.

      • Anonymous

        Crazy GOP supporters think that if they say Obama is a failure enough times, people will believe the lie. From killing Osama to turning around the mess the GOP left him, Obama has done an admirable job considering the obstacles, including GOP legislators and supporters wanting the economy to NOT improve until 2013 and fighting job bill after job bill every step of the way. Putting the corrupt GOP fools who drove us into the ditch back in power to finish the job of ruining America makes no sense at all to anyone with a brain.

      • Anonymous

         Could we hear from the World’s largest car company about Obama’s failure? Have you asked Osama BinLaden about Obama’s failure?
        24 months of job growth, another failure? P.S. Try to educate yourself, the only piece of the law up for change is the individual mandate. The rest of the law stays regardless.
        Obama is playing chess while the Republican’ts are watching football.

  • Republicans in congress get tax payer funded health insurance and everybody else cant get that. wow there really nice to prevent people from having health insurance. wonder how many of them are in the pockets of big health care corporations that would rather focus of profit then people.

    • Anonymous

      The GOP is a bunch of thieving liars and criminals who ought to be forced to immigrate to China where the country runs the way they want to run America.

      • Anonymous

        The GOP, bad for Maine, bad for America, bad for the world. GOP = corrupt abusers of power! Take the SAVE AMERICA Pledge: I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR A REPUBLICAN EVER AGAIN.

        •  Democrats, bad for Maine, bad for America, bad for the world. Democrats =
          corrupt abusers of power! Take the SAVE AMERICA Pledge: I WILL NEVER
          VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT EVER AGAIN.

          • Anonymous

            if the ones running for office and the ones presently in power in some of the states are examples of republicanism–anyone that votes for them should not be let out without a leash

          • Yawningattrolls

            So you endorse depriving disadvantaged women, children, and elderly citizens from medical insurance and not being able to receive medical care? If that’s “Saving America” then the America I was born in, grew up in, and served isn’t worth saving, but I refuse to give up in the face of adversity such as yours. We need to protect our citizenry from people with such right wing extremism as the drivel you’re espousing. I suppose veterans shouldn’t receive healthcare either?

          •  I never endorsed any such thing – for you to accuse it is a lie which is what democrats do to get their way.  They scream, holler, whine and lie.

          • Anonymous

            It is clear that your implication was not lost on Weneed.  If you vote GOP, then you vote for exactly what Weneed claims you endorse. Sadly that is the republican doctrine of today, 2012.

          • Yawningattrolls

            Thank you

          • Yawningattrolls

            So when you can’t discuss anything logically you call people liars, screamers, and whiners? What? You can’t articulate an intelligent response? This is why we need socialism in this country – bigots like you who seem to think feudalism is the way to govern.

          • Anonymous

            Your response was not logical and intelligent–why should you expect to get one back? Show me one Republican who wants to “deprive” the poor, elderly, or children from health insurance and health care? There is a world of difference from structuring programs to be affordable and target those truly in need and “depriving” people of things.
            The Democrats act as if the budget is one big bag full of candy and they are on the parade float tossing it all around to the scrambling masses. Aren’t Democrats wonderful? Look at the people cheer! But watch closely what happens when the candy bag is empty. The parade, and the adulation is over.

          • Yawningattrolls

            Than why do they (the GOP) obstruct the very social programs these individuals need, all the Repubs are trying to deprive the common people, so I won’t bother to list them.  Your response is not intelligent or logical, one day you may need assistance – you might want to think about that one.

            And by the way, these “bag of candys” you are referring to are lifelines to many people – if citizens paid appropriate taxes than such programs would be very affordable, and I include the middle class in that bracket for tax increases too – at least I’m willing to put my money where my mouth is – how about you Mr. Feudalist?

          • Candy!
             
            That explains Lepages fixation with eliminating welfare!

          • Anonymous

             Yeah, he said he used to like to steal candy.

          • Anonymous

            ALMOST ALL GOP leaders want to screw the poor and the elderly…I’d be typing for weeks if I had to list their names!

          • Anonymous

            You said “Show me one Republican who wants to “deprive” the poor, elderly, or children from health insurance and health care?”
            All I have to do is show you a Republican to answer your question. The national Senate, House, the Maine Senate, Maine house, all have health care funded by tax payers for the rest of their lives.
            They  Do  Not  Want  You  To  Have  The  Same. If you get affordable health care it comes from insurance company profits. Repubs prefer profits over your diabetes treatment.

          • Anonymous

            Think you are confusing Democrats with Repubs.  Especially the “lie” part.

          • Anonymous

            GOP followers: always lying, always misleading, whatever the Dems can legitimately say about the GOP, they say the same about the Dems to try to confuse people. THE GOP and their diehard followers are despicable human beings.

          • Anonymous

            Republicrats and Demmicans = corrupt abusers of power! 

            Take the SAVE AMERICA Pledge: 

            I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR A REPUBLICAN OR A DEMOCRAT EVER AGAIN.

            Vote Independent Green.

            (P.S.: single-payer health care…keep all the insurance companies out of the loop!)

        • Anonymous

          Never have, never will vote for any rebublican.

          • Give a man a fish and he eats for a day.
            Give a man a welfare check, a free cell phone with free monthly minutes, food stamps, section 8 housing, a forty ounce malt liquor and some Air Jordan’s and he’ll vote Democrat for the rest of his life.

          • Anonymous

            See, Weneed was right, you do endorse depriving people in need.  You know, I’m really fed up with right wing accusations that showing a little compassion, mercy, and temporary help is indicative of supporting a shiftless, lazy, citizenry.  It is a Limbaugh style attack that has no merit.

          • Anonymous

            entitled doesnt seem to realize that conservaties and plenty of republicans like everything he mentioned. actually he seems to have intimate knowledge of every thing he mentioned.

          • Yawningattrolls

            Hate to tell you – I’m in the top 10% tax bracket in the state, never been on welfare, unemployment, or received public assistance; but I do have compassion which you seem to be devoid of.

          • Anonymous

            hate to tell you I am in the top 10% tax bracket also, and am on your side, perhaps you should read the post again, the implication that only democrats like  food stamps, 40s , etc from entitled was where i was pointing out that conservatives/republican use section 8 ,drmk 40s and all other he mentioned

          • Yawningattrolls

            Sorry heyrube – I posted to the wrong response -my apologies, I made a mistake.

          • Anonymous

            it’s ok, I just hate being accused of being conservative .

          • Yawningattrolls

            LOL – me too!

          • Anonymous

            When you reward poor behavior you get more of it.  And when most do not pay into a system that system will fail per the tragedy of commons.

          • Anonymous

            So Chumby,
            In your simple world your simple fix would apply, calling help a reward?
            Change your rant just a little.
            When you reward sick people you get more of them. Let em die on the street. No more free medical care, no free ambulances, cut off the money for medical research and teaching colleges. If we stop rewarding sick people we won’t have any more.

          • Anonymous

            It’s poor behavior to be poor?!

          • { Maine hits GOP roadblock in setting up health insurance exchange }
             
             
            Let me Illustrate
             
            http://powerofwho.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/quite_a_road_block.jpg

          • Anonymous

             I am old enough to have voted for a Republican. I protested the Viet Nam war. I don’t support the Bush Wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, or Iran (Oops that one is on their wish list) but a good candidate with good ideas deserves our votes.
            Now that piece of logic out of the way. During this coming set of elections, I will vote against a Harvard trained Phd, Nobel Prize winning, Republican in favor of any breathing body supported by the Democrats.
            Giving any more support to the Rs is anti-American, anti-Human, and drooling, toothless, self destroying stupidity…….on a good day.

  • Anonymous

    …”Maine was also part of a five-state consortium awarded $36 million for
    early innovations in the exchange process and won a $1 million planning
    grant in 2010, the only grant so far that has been spent….”

    Spent 1M how, so far?  On what?

  • Guest

    Hand the reins over. I trust the feds way more than I trust LePage, Poliquin, Webster, Summers, and Nutting. I’m glad they stayed out of it.

  • Anonymous

    “Republican Rep. Jonathan McKane of Newcastle said he won’t be “complicit” in the federal Affordable Care Act’s implementation.”

    What does he care… he has his!!

    • Anonymous

      Wrong, he is termed out and his health insurance goes with it.

      • Anonymous

         Not if he has had enough years of state jobs. The legislature did not apply the same rules to themselves that they applied to state employees.

  • Anonymous

    Oh, but Blue Cross/Shield will cry foul!!

  • Anonymous

    I am so worried about our State and our Country, please read this….it seems that our Governor and some legislative leaders have a ghost writer…

    “a report today showing the extent to which the conservative American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) has infiltrated Maine’s lawmaking process. The report tells the story of how Maine legislators and out-of-state corporations have colluded to put forth a host of big business-friendly policy initiatives, particularly since Republicans took control of state government in 2010.
    Founded in 1973, ALEC brings conservative state legislators and corporate lobbyists together to craft and advance model legislation on the local level. It is no secret that several LePage-era bills – including attacks on health care consumer protections, labor unions, and voting rights – have ALEC fingerprints on them. Until now, however, we have not known just how many public policy initiatives are traceable to ALEC, or the extent to which the same corporations which wrote these laws have also funded the campaigns of Maine elected officials and Governor LePage himself. 

    At least 8 current Maine legislators are known to be ALEC members, including both the House and Senate’s assistant majority leaders. Another 13 legislators served as lead sponsors of ALEC-linked bills. ”

    http://www.mainesmajority.org/press-release-2012-mar-15 

    • Anonymous

      For known Maine Alec members & a very interesting in depth report :

      http://www.scribd.com/doc/85472333/Who-is-Writing-Maine-s-Laws 

      • Anonymous

        Interesting approach to getting your own way, don’t you think ?  For 100 bucks small time would-be legislators get their thinking done for them by ALEC.  The legislation pushed through on the national level from 1998 through 2007 was written almost exclusively by this corporate-driven entity which acts as a super-lobbyist.  And look where it got us.  Right in the capital outhouse.

        And now the new, under-the-radar approach to getting it done for large,corporate enterprises.  Mail it out to the local operatives who fancy themselves “politicians”.  They’ll copy what we give ’em, introduce it in state legislature and we’ll build from the bottom up instead of the failed top down method.

        Guess it’s the new American way.  So, what should we call these sub rosa operatives ?  These supposed representatives of ours who actually work for someone (or something) else ?  A few epithets come to mind.    

        • luvGSD

           Smart Alecs?

        •   you are talking about the ACLU,The Sierra Club,Jack Abramoff,MoveOn,Center for American Progress, a group founded by John D. Podesta, and George Soros ? 

          • Anonymous

            Hardly as well organized.  And I don’t think any of those entities you mention bestow the honorifics of “Fellow” and “Senior Fellow” and generous salaries funded by major corporations on washed up academics, politicians who were booted by their constituents (and their staffers) and self-proclaimed experts.  In other words those geniuses who draft bills including mandatory trans-vaginal sonograms for women (surfaced in Virginia, Illinois, etc. so far), legally requiring doctors to tell their patients a lie (abortion causes breast cancer – now law in Kansas so far)  and mandating that women must tell their employer if they are using birth control methods for reasons other than to avoid conception (bill now pending in Arizona, so far).  Can Maine be far behind ?   And the last time I checked, the Sierra Club was more worried about the flora and fauna being displaced by illegal logging and asphalt, and the lost of access to our woods by ordinary citizens.

          • Anonymous

            Very good reply but so …..it’s hard to find words…unbelievable, shocking, mind-numbing, discouraging and disgusting  that those things are happening in this country in 2012.

      • Everyone a Republican.

        Coincedence?

        I think not!

    • Anonymous

      What is it that bothers you about American citizens working together to promote their agenda? It happens throughout the political spectrum. Do you have the same fear of liberal organizations working to promote liberal ideas? The members of ALEC have every right to support their cause through money, speech and association.

      • Anonymous

        Model legislation is not necessarily a bad thing. National advocacy groups across the political spectrum routinely draft bills and encourage lawmakers to introduce them on the state level. These bills can expe-dite the process of government and help elected officials enact laws that have been proven to work in other parts of the country.
        The insidiousness of ALEC comes from the fact that the organization has created a far-reaching apparatus to allow large self-interested corporations to infiltrate all aspects of the lawmaking process. These corporations don’t just fund ALEC. They staff ALEC’s task forces with their lobbyists, who in turn have the power to write and approve all model legislation. They fund the campaigns of ALEC legislators, as well as state Republican parties and political action committees.  Their activity strives to stay under the radar.  Clandestine activities are never good.  Having friendly lawmakers in place in state governments gives these corporations a much greater chance of enacting their preferred legislative agenda.

        The appearance of ALEC-linked bills in Maine proves that outsiders are writing our laws, and not in ways that benefit our citizens. 

        The ALEC stamp of approval is not a seal of quality. Quite the contrary, it is a warning that the legislation’s authors and backers are bought and paid for by those seeking to enact policies that improve their bottom lines.

        I started looking at some of the mind blowing actions I was seeing that defied reason and started looking at what would possibly motivate this kind of thing.  I spent a lot of time researching because I care about our future and everyday lives.  

        The other thing that comes to mind is:  by the people FOR THE PEOPLE

        • luvGSD

          Thanks for the links.  So ALEC is basically a Faustian get rich quick scheme.  Sign up, sell your soul, get elected, and you’re set for life.  Taxpayers, be glad you support legislators running this scam!

          • Anonymous

            I never heard of the word Faustian, the definition I found was:

             A magician and alchemist in German legend who sells his soul to the devil in exchange for power and knowledge 

            Also:  At its core, this new Faustian age and civilization believes in the self and the self’s right and ability to control the conditions of its own existence. It exalts reason, but it is practical or “instrumental” reason, which is seen as a tool that humanity can use to manipulate the world.

            sounds accurate….

        • Well Said!

      • Anonymous

        What is it that bothers you? It’s not just some are part of the group, it’s almost the entire bunch.  They’re not operating on their own, they’re taking a directive from a shadow organization. Their ideas aren’t for the Maine people, it’s for special interests.

        As they have a right to do that, so too do voters have a right to dissent. We have a right to be informed and to speak out.

    •  So what? Lib Lawmakers have been bought and paid for by special interest groups  for decades, Environmental groups, Labor Unions ect ect ect.

      • Anonymous

        There are good and bad in every human arena.   

        The insidiousness of ALEC comes from the fact that the organization has created a far-reaching apparatus to allow large self-interested corporations to infiltrate all aspects of the lawmaking process. 

        Their activity strives to stay under the radar.  Clandestine activities are never good.
         
        It’s sort of like a reverse Robin Hood.  Who stands to gain?  The people or corporate empires?

        Wealth doesn’t create jobs,  jobs create wealth.  The middle class that they’re trying to strangle are the worker bees of the economy.  We’re heading for the feudal system.

        • So it’s not what is being done, or how they are doing it, just who it is. I see now.
          And if you think the Government creates jobs or creates wealth in the private sector we are all screwed, if your mind set prevails.

          • Anonymous

            That’s not what I said at all.  It’s not “who it is” it’s what and how and for who’s benefit.  Who ever said anything about the government creating wealth in the private sector?

          • So, again, how is this different than the actions of the Liberal lobbyist types that I listed above. I’ll answer for you, there is no difference. For you it is just a matter of ideology, ok for Lib’s, not ok for the Conservative types. ALEC didnt reinvent the wheel here, they are just doing what Liberal groups have done for decades, and they have become quite good at it, beating one at their own game sorta thing, I think that is what really upsets you.
              Back to the other topic you mentioned,wealth does create jobs, always will, to say otherwise is just foolishness. The alternative you seem to  offer to this seems to be Big Government and Unions, and they have shown a near zero track record of being able to  this effectively or sustain  it .

          • Anonymous

            wrong on all counts….for one thing your comparisons are inaccurate, you apparently see certain key words & put it on auto pilot.  Interesting how you put words in my mouth and twist things.  In your all knowing way you even think you know what upsets me.  I’ll stop there.

          •  Good, selective outrage and demonization can be tricky to defend.

          • Anonymous

             The GI bill, a government program created the most educated work force in the world, created and maintained American leadership in manufacturing, technology, and quality of life. Gee, sure wish my Grandfather knew he didn’t have a job because it was created by the government.

      • Anonymous

         A special interest group made up of millions of willing members is just a little different than a special interest group representing two Koch brothers.
        Corporations are not people and I won’t believe they are “until Texas executes one.”

  • Anonymous

    These ‘lawmakers’ may find themselves subjects to the Law.

  • Anonymous

    Talk about your flips and flops. Our state Republican/MHPC/ALEC/Tea Party put in health reform that raised the costs for rural Mainers, that would be about 75% of us, promising choice. But apparently the choice is limited to what is available in a few New England states. President Obama’s plan opens up the choice to the whole country. If the Republican party is all about free enterprise and choice, why are they now playing obstructionist to the very things they espouse?

    Frankly I would rather see a single payer National Health Plan. But this plan does get everyone covered.

    • No, it does not get everyone covered. That is yet another issue with this madness. After implementation we will still have upwards of 15-20 million uninsured.
      Sorry, that 15-20 million number is incorrect here are the correct numbers:

      “The revised estimate of the law’s coverage provisions shows about 2 million fewer people gaining coverage by 2016, reducing the number of uninsured Americans by 30 million instead of the 32 million projected a year ago. That would leave about 27 million people uninsured in 2016, two years after the law’s insurance exchanges go online” C.B.O
      Ybrad, sorry , you were correct.
      Do a Goggle of “CBO says 27 million uninsured by 2016” and see what you get for results,Ybrad.

      • Anonymous

        Wrong.

  • Anonymous

    Regardless if so called Obamacare is ruled constitutional or not health exchanges seem to promote competition giving us the consumer lower costs.

    Republicans for years have cried that the only problem with health costs in Maine is a lack of competition. Now when it appears that we have an opportunity to supply more competition they vote against it. Hey guys which way is it?

    For years the Republican Party has promoted free market enterprise. Health exchanges appear to promote free enterprise. But yet they fail to support it. Hey guys which way is it?

    Hey folks republican and democrat you are supposed to be looking out for our best interests. Health exchanges seem to be in our best interests.

    I do not really care rather you support Obamacare or not support my best interests. 

    • Anonymous

      They aren’t looking out for our best interests, they’re looking out for THEIR best interests.  We’re just the serfs, it’s all about power and control.  All they want  is to win the election, so if the health reform was perfect, they wouldn’t want it 

      • Anonymous

        Don’t forget the money Milly.  Lots and lots of money.  “Best interests”, in this case, is spelled with a $ sign.

  • These insurance exchanges were incorporated into the Affordable Care Act at the request of republicans.  We have the exchanges instead of a public option.  Republicans are responsible for this and now sadly won’t even support their own ideas.   How disappointing, but they hope you don’t notice.

    • Anonymous

      In 1989, The Heritage Foundation helped develop the idea of universal health care delivered by the private sector through an individual mandate. In the early 1990s, it helped Senate Republicans build that concept into a legislative alternative to President Bill Clinton’s proposed reforms. 
      In the early 2000s, Heritage worked with then-Governor Mitt Romney to implement the plan in Massachusetts. Then, when Obama won office and Democrats adopted Heritage’s idea, Heritage promptly fell into step with the Republican Party and turned ferociously against it. 
      http://www.bloomberg.com/news/

  • Anonymous

    “Maine hits GOP roadblock…”  An unbiased, unemotional take on the story?

    • Anonymous

      Nope.  Just the truth.  When progress forward is stopped this way, it’s a roadblock.

      • Anonymous

        Funny…I just can’t imagine the BDN having an actual headline: “Maine hits Democratic roadblock trying to bring industries to state.”

        • Anonymous

          Guess we’ll wait ’til it happens (hasn’t yet), and then find out.

  • Headline: Republicans play politics with Mainers Healthcare, say they like things the way they are. Healthcare costs not an issue for republican reps as their alternative plan? gains support!

  • Anonymous

    Im from the Government and I want to help.

    • Anonymous

      im from business and i want to help

      • pbmann

        Should have read “I’m from business, I want your money.”

  • Anonymous

    If I, as a private citizen, refused to follow a law because I thought it would be repealed, I would be subject to a fine, possibly jail time.  Why do our elected representatives think they’re above the law?

    • Anonymous

      The law is not in effect yet–you can’t be in violation of a law that has yet to be imposed.

  • Anonymous

    The cost  projected by the CBO is to be $1.76 trillion , up substantially from Obama’s $940 million statement.  Nothing is “free.”
    The two liberal states out of 13–Vermont and MA are mentioned; when did the D.C. become a state?

  • Anonymous

    The individual mandate is clearly unconstitutional. Democrats’ attempts to corrupt the Commerce Clause will not stand.

    Anyone with any sense will be voting for Anyone But Obama.

    Anyone who has or will vote for Mr. Obama should wear their vote proudly on their chest. May I suggest an embroidered Scarlet O?

    • It isn’t clearly unconstitutional although it may be declared so by the conservative Supreme Court.  I pay for insurance in Maine and I pay federal taxes.  My insurance payments and my federal tax dollars could be used to pay for someone’s medical expenses in California who may not have insurance and still requires medical attention.  That sounds like interstate commerce to me.  

    • Anonymous

      How can you justify the 5-4 U.S. Supreme Court consevative ruling in Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission in January, 2010, which held that the First Amendment prohibits the government from restricting political expenditures by corporations and unions, essentially defining them as “people”?

      This is clearly analagous to your description of ” Democrats’ attempts to corrupt the Commerce Clause”. What about Republican Supreme Court Justices corrupting the Constitution by reversing over 100 years of precedent that was established by both conservative and liberal leaning SCOTUS decisions?

      Pat T. Riot has a valid point in reply to you, as well.

      Would you care to respond?

  •    11/6 / 2012  = Day of Reckoning for R’s

  • Mississippi is going ahead with a state plan for an insurance exchange.  Mississippi is as red as you can get.  Maine seems to be aspiring to be like their southern brethren, well, other than Mississippi in this case.

    • Anonymous

      Some states are creating “defensive” exchanges only, which was a possibility for Maine. Ultimately the feds still have control and will still force these states to do the dirty work so the Rs in Maine made the right decision by far.

  • Anonymous

    Personally, I think that every member of Congress should have to live under all of the laws that they burden the rest of us with. Equal justice. No special goodies for them, just live under the same rules that the poor, unwashed masses have to. How quickly would they have passed this health insurance law? I wonder…………..

  • Anonymous

    Apparently once again people do not see the $$$$$$ signs attached to Obamacare.  This is a bill that was passed on a note pass it, and then we will read what it says.  We need to know exactly what we are in for before the bill passes that is why we debate.    I for one am not going to participate regardless.

  • Anonymous

    It is the responsibility of the legislature to be prepared which ever way the verdict comes down.  In saying he won’t be “complicit” in the implementation of the law, McKane is saying he will not abide by the law of the land if it is not to his liking.  It is beyond irresponsible to take this position, it is radical nullification talk. 

    The heart of the conservative voice, the Heritage Foundation, crafted what we refer to as Obamacare to make sure that the insurance industry would still be as lucrative after increasing accessibility as before.  Now, the conservative plan is too liberal.  This is a great example of how radically the party has shifted.  Continuing on the current path, should we expect evidence based medicaine to be repalced with blood lettings and prayer circles? 

    Still, with all of the talk on either side of the debate, we as a nation are drowning  in the debt our wasteful health care system provides us. One side believes their solution will help both people and deficits, the other wants to pretend we don’t need no stinkin’ solutions, everything is fine the way it is.  There is not even a discussion of what would be better than the Affordable Care Act. 

    If what you elect politicians for is to ignore the really big problems and to tackle head on the problems that don’t exist, man,  have I got a party for you!  

    • Anonymous

      he’s called Obama.Totally ignored the constitution.

  • Guest

    Ah yes Treat–wonder if she’s still rated the most anti-business legislator?

  • Guest

    Health insurance — a welfare program for physicians and hospitals.

  • Anonymous

    So, let me try and figure this out, back in 2010, Maine’s Democratic majority with their laws would not let Maine people buy Health Insurance in other states, where the premiums are thousands of dollars less a year than what we pay in Maine. So then Obamacare had setup we could now buy Health Insurance across State lines, and we as US citizens were mandated to buy some form of Health Insurance or be fined. So then many States have filed suit regarding this mandate & it is currently in the Supreme Court and with this all pending our State Legislature with the present Republican majority has put the whole thing on hold, due to the Court Case putting it all in limbo. So once again I see the side of Republicans, not wanting to put all the time and taxpayer’s money into something that very well could be rescinded from the Obamacare court case, due to be out later this year. Democrats apparently can’t help their fixation of throwing our money away. I hope the US Legislature will keep the resonable, commonsense parts of Obamacare & still let us buy Health Insurance across State lines if we choose to &  not drop people who are in need of Insurance, just because they are sick.

    • Anonymous

      You get what you pay for with those “cheap” out of state insurance plans – that cover squat and reimburse less.

      Good luck with your  Mississippi or Texas based health insurance company!

      Why are republicans afeared of exchanges where insurance companies compete – and are prevented from dumping  you when you get sick or denying coverage for preexisting conditions and the whole host of hoo hah many of these companies peddle?

      I know – cuz they are bought paid for by the for-profit health insurance industry.

      yessah

  • In reply to 4lifeandfreedom

    The article does not refer to Washington, DC, as a state.  It refers only to Vermont and Massachusetts as states, then links DC with ‘and’.  $1.76 trillion is 1872 times $940 million.  Do you think the estimate for the cost could possibly be off by a factor of nearly 2000?  That would be like estimating the distance between Bangor, Maine and Dallas, Texas, to be one mile.

  • Guest

    This entire debate means nothing; there enough people that will outright tell the feds or anyone that attempts to enforce this unconstitutional garbage to go shove it….!

    ObamaCare won’t collect from me, or force me do join anything,,,,, and I pity the fool that try’s

    • Anonymous

      Don’t lose your job and get sick – and if you do – do not go crying to the gov’t for health care.

      yessah

      • Guest

        Don’t worry, I won’t.
        Also, the majority of the country is against this unconstitutional forced edict.

        Forcing Americans down this road will have serious resistance and very may be a pivotal moment when we no longer have the right to say no.

    • Anonymous

      so you won’t be participating in Medicare either?

      • Guest

        I have been paying into that misused pot for some time, but at least I won’t be needing it…!

        You can justify this any way you want, but the moment it takes effect it will start to be abused.

        Unlike you, I dont trust our government, they have proven that they are willing to misuse tax payer money, they lie, cheat and much more.

        Most of us can see this for what it is, just another socialistic cash cow to rip off.

        • Anonymous

          so you’re independently wealthy and don’t want or need any kind of insurance?  Insurance usually collects from the many and pays for the few.

    • Anonymous

      What’s wrong with having an insurance exchange — a market place — for consumers?

  • This is ridiculous.  The federal government provided $6,000,000 to begin designing an exchange.  That was just to design an exchange, presumably even if it ended up on a back shelf somewhere.  People constantly harp about having choices in obtaining health insurance as a way to reduce costs.  Why could our state leaders not have taken the $6,000,000 and designed, if only on paper, an exchange?  Maybe they would have found a way to accomplish what so many people think they want. 

    Could the reason for not acting just be political?  Could Republicans be acting against the best interests of the people of Maine just to try to make a point?

  • Anonymous

    The centerpiece of the case against Obamacare is the requirement that everyone buy some kind of health insurance or face stiff penalties – the so-called individual mandate. It is a way of moving toward universal coverage without a government-run or single-payer system. It might surprise Americans to learn that another advanced industrial country, one with a totally private health care system, made precisely the same choice nearly 20 years ago: Switzerland.
    Switzerland is not your typical European welfare-state society. It is extremely business-friendly and has always gone its own way, shunning the euro and charting its own course on health care. The country ranks higher than the U.S. on the Heritage Foundation’s Index of Economic Freedom. 

    Twenty years ago, Switzerland had a system very similar to America’s – private insurers, private providers – with very similar problems. People didn’t buy insurance but ended up in emergency rooms, insurers screened out people with pre-existing conditions, and costs were rising fast. The country came to the conclusion that to make health care work, everyone had to buy insurance. So the Swiss passed an individual mandate and reformed their system along lines very similar to Obamacare. The reform law passed by referendum, narrowly.The result two decades later: quality of care remains very high, everyone has access, and costs have moderated. Switzerland spends 11% of its GDP on health care, compared with 17% in the U.S. Its 8 million people have health care that is not tied to their employers, they can choose among many plans, and they can switch plans every year. Overall satisfaction with the system is high.http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/16/health-insurance-is-for-everyone/ 

  • Anonymous

    Fools.

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