Comments for: Thursday, Feb. 9, 2012: Singers, Mormons and Dennis Dechaine

Posted Feb. 08, 2012, at 3:25 p.m.

Wrong people singing Before any sporting event, the “National Anthem” is sung along with “America the Beautiful.” I take pride in being an American and a veteran. What disgusts me is these people who are performing these songs don’t have a clue as to how they should be sung. If …

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  • N

    Thomas, some pills work after conception, but not all pills. But, I agree, the government should not  require religious organizations to make contraception available. A politically stupid move.

    • luvGSD

      The government does NOT require religious organizations to include contraception in their employee health insurance policies. The morning after pill does NOT cause an abortion.

      • Anonymous

        And Ron Paul would administer estrogen to females who come into an emergency room directly after they are victims of an “honest rape”.  Anyone know what an “honest rape” is?  Is it an unknown perp rather than a known perp or is that when they are in a rural area and no one witnesses them say “no”?

        • luvGSD

          Well of course what he means by an honest rape is whether the VICTIM is actually telling the truth.  The whole thing is beyond disgusting. Ron Paul is a misogynistic racist. He calls himself a Libertarian, but by all indications what he means is liberty for (white) men only.

    • Anonymous

      Religious organizations that hire only members of their sect and provide services that promote their religion  only to members  are exempt from providing insurance covering contraceptives.   The Catholic and other churches are hypocrites.  They want to hire non catholics, provide non religious services to non catholics,  receive government  funding and still claim they deserve the exemptions of a church.

    • Anonymous

      Simple. Stop taking Federal Money! What we need to do is to reverse the tax exempt status these organizations enjoy.

  • kcjonez

    John L. Clark–Lighten up.  If these hacks butchered our national anthem at an official state function then you would have a point but these are games.  It is not an easy song to sing well.  I look at it as a contest to see who can butcher it the worst and Clarkson didn’t do too bad.  The absolute worst that I have seen is currently a tie between Roseanne Barr and Steve Tyler.  

  • kcjonez

    Thomas Coleman Sr.–There you go with more of that crazy abomination talk.    I will spare you all the details of abominations that the Catholic church has been and is involved with.   

    This is America.  You are free to do what you want within certain constraints.  Please allow others their freedom also.  

  • Anonymous

    No, the “morning after pill” or “plan B” is not an abortion pill. It prevents conception from happening. That’s it. So when you say, “Everyone knows that the pill works after conception, therefore taking a human life”, everyone knows that you are either ignorant or a liar. 

    • All morning-after pills advertise the fact that you should take it only IF your other contraceptives fail in the first place. Plus, the most widely used “morning-after” pills all have a very interesting “side-effect,” which is “irregular menstrual cycle” after taking one. Why is it irregular? Because it’s a drug-induced miscarriage, an abortion. It forces the body to reject the embryo, and you wouldn’t see it since it is only about as big as a pin head.

      • Anonymous

        It prevents a potential fertilized egg from attaching to the uterine wall.  Do you know how many fertilized eggs do not attach to the uterine wall on a regular basis?  Seems like the female body releases it’s own hormones quite often that cause the same thing to happen ….. shall we call that a hormone-induced abortion, disallow it and somehow prevent women from producing these hormones?

        • Anonymous

          Utah, Georgia and Mississippi have already attempted to make women criminally responsible for natural rejection of an embryo.   

          • luvGSD

             It’s about time that women – the majority – stand up and say enough of this cr@p.

          • Anonymous

            As long as men make up the the majority of popes,  bishops, pastors, priests, CEOs and elected representatives there will be cr@p.  

          • luvGSD

             We need to do what Iceland did and throw all the bums out.

          • Anonymous

            Hadn’t heard about that.  What did Iceland do?

          • luvGSD

             In 2009 Iceland was one of the first countries to fall in the global economic crisis.  The people rioted, ousted all the banksters, and forced the government to resign.  They elected a new prime minister who is gay and female, and filled all the vacated seats with women.  Iceland is doing much better now!  There is a great article about it in the New Yorker called “Lost” by Ian Parker, but it’s archived and I’m unable to access it.

          • Anonymous

            Sounds like a plan.  I’m with you!!!

          • Anonymous

            Let me rephrase that:  As long as women keep letting popes, bishops, pastors, priests and elected officials make decisions for us there will be cr@p. 

        • No one said anything about preventing abortions, but when it is abortion, call it for what it is. Like you said, it prevents a FERTILIZED egg from attaching. Once it’s fertilized, it’s life. If it wasn’t meant to be, then that’s natural, but taking a pill to purposefully flush it out is an abortion.

          • Anonymous

            Technically, all cells are living, they are alive, they are life.

          • An unfertilized egg is “dormant life,” and does not grow into a child on its own.

          • Anonymous

            So what are you doing about all the flushed fertilized eggs and  the embryonic stem cells.  And what about spaying pets?  God told everything to go forth and multiply.  Get real.  Your position has the approval of men who wear dresses and rape children. Why have you given clearly immoral people  and their anti-women theories a moral superiority they are not worthy of?

          • Please don’t associate me with people who may happen to share one or two viewpoints. Not everyone who calls out to Jesus on *that day* will be saved. I don’t lump you in with groups of people you don’t associate with who simply share the same viewpoint.

            And I’m not really understanding where you’re trying to take this conversation… I keep re-reading what you wrote in an effort to understand, but keep coming back confused. What’s your point, exactly?

          • Anonymous

            You do of course realize that miscarriages are also called spontaneous abortions and that many times these occur within hours or days after conception?  You must also realize that not every instance of sperm meeting egg results in fertilization ….

          • Uh, yeah, I know that. But you realize that a drug-induced miscarriage is simply an abortion? If it happens naturally, it isn’t an abortion it’s just a tragedy. But willingly trying to kill your own child? What possible reason could be good enough to justify that (aside from incest/rape)?

          • Anonymous

            What ?? ….. is it the fault of the child that was conceived …… a child that is the gift of God … that they were conceived through rape or incest …no it is the pregnant woman’s duty to make certain that that innocent child is born …. the only choice is life ….  you are no better than the pro-abortionists and are condoning the murder of an innocent child …. when God gives you lemons you must make lemonade!!!!!  It is ALL a part of His plan – how dare you tell a women that ending that precious life is okay and she need not comply!!
            (sarcasm intended)

          • Anonymous

            The medical term for a miscarriage is “spontaneous abotion” …. that is a fact and also a fact is that some states have offered legislation which would put all women who have a miscarriage under investigation -to prove they did nothing that caused it.  Wouldn’t that be guilty until proven innocent?  I thank God every day that women today have a choices when it comes to their reproductive health.  Historically they were ignorant to how their bodies worked and the toll childbirth took on their physical health. 

          • Anonymous

            How is the body deciding a life wasn’t meant to be any better or more moral than a brain deciding creating a life right now isn’t a good idea 

          • You make that choice any time you have intercourse, protected or unprotected, and take that risk. So don’t take the risk if you’re not willing to deal with the consequences?

          • Anonymous

            With the powers invested in me I appoint you chief in charge of enforcing your policy of  “no sex if you don’t want to get pregnant”.  Here is your nice gold colored badge and your spiffy uniform complete with gold stripes.  God speed and good luck.    (Especially with the healthy young adults you endeavor to instruct.)   LOLOLOLO!!!!!

          • Anonymous

            The consequences are too often at the expense of the female … she is the one who carries the fetus, puts her health at risk the one who bears a child….. throughout history men have done everything possible to deny paternity …. is that not one of the main reasons “state” got involved.. .. to make sure a child had paternal support? Has it not always been easier to prove who the mother of a child is than who the father is?

          • Anonymous

            Not every “meeting” of egg and sperm produces a fertilized egg…… pregnancy can not be accurately detected until at least 7 days after intercourse.  The Plan B pill must be take within 72 hours of intercourse, any time after that it is INEFFECTIVE, as in it does not prevent pregnancy nor does it cause miscarriage

            PS How many years have you had a menstrual cycle and have you ever had medical issues with your menstrual cycle ?

        • Anonymous

          This is like saying people die all the time naturally, so deliberately causing another’s death is no big deal.
          Sure, spontaneous abortions happen frequently and naturally. But deliberate abortions are another matter.

          • Anonymous

            Firstly: you missed the word “potential” ….. pregnancy cannot be detected by definitive test until 5-10 days after implantation which is 3-7 days after fertilization and the Plan B pill is INEFFECTIVE if not used within 72 hours. Secondly: neither contraceptives nor the Plan B pill cause an abortion.  They are a part of preventative care.  
            Honestly, are there any other preventative medical practices you disagree with so strongly that you would deny them to others?  What would they be?

          • Anonymous

            I wouldn’t deny any medical treatment that one willingly submits to. But I would deny forcing a religious faith to pay for a medical practice that is in direct violation of their religious belief.

      • Anonymous

        That’s factually untrue. An egg not sticking to the vaginal wall is NOT what a miscarriage is and it’s not what an abortion is either. Quit spreading misinformation, it’s wrong. 

        • luvGSD

          It’s no coincidence that the Religious Right is suddenly making an issue out of contraception and the morning after pill.  The morning after pill makes their Pro-Life movement irrelevant and they are now grasping at straws.  You would think they’d be jumping for joy for how significantly the morning after pill will reduce the need for abortions world-wide.  Instead, nope, they decide to make another wedge issue out of it.  Why?  Because it was never about protecting the unborn to begin with.  It always has and always will be about preventing women from having autonomy.

          By the way, does anyone know the journalistic rationale for continually publishing letters to the editor which are factually untrue?

        • Deliberately lying will get you nowhere. A fertilized egg that doesn’t attach to the wall is a miscarriage, or “spontaneous abortion.” It happens as often as 20% in normal pregnancies. Causing this to happen by taking a pill for that specific purpose, is having an abortion.

          • Anonymous

            I’m not lying and that is not what an abortion is. You can characterize it as that all you want, but it doesn’t make it true. Plan B prevents eggs from sticking. There is no pregnancy to begin with, so you can’t call it an abortion or a miscarriage. This is what daily birth controls do in part as well — so unless you’re prepared to start calling those abortion pills too, you don’t get to classify Plan B as such either. Your definition of a spontaneous abortion is flatly WRONG. A spontaneous abortion is NOT when an egg doesn’t stick to the vaginal wall — that is a lie. You are the liar.

          • http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/abortion

            http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/abortion

            http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/abortion

            http://women.webmd.com/tc/abortion-topic-overview

            “What is an abortion?

            Abortion is the early ending of a pregnancy.
            Sometimes abortion happens on its own. This is called miscarriage or spontaneous abortion. But women can also choose to end a pregnancy by getting surgery or taking medicine.”

            Yeah, I’m lying…

          • Anonymous

            Yes, you are lying because an egg not sticking to the vaginal wall is not a pregnancy. That is exactly what Plan B does and it’s also what daily birth control pills do as well. Are the daily pills abortion pills as well?

          • Anonymous

            The egg doesn’t stick to the vaginal wall. The egg is fertilized in a fallopian tube, usually, then it travels into the uterus where it implants if it is fertile. Some people contend life begins at conception–the moment the sperm and egg unite, and not at implantation when the process of cell division begins. To them, taking hormones that deliberately alter the uterine wall so that the fertilized egg will not implant is equivalent to causing a deliberate abortion.

          • Anonymous

            By that definition all forms of hormonal/chemical birth controls are abortions. Factually, that’s inaccurate.

          • Anonymous

            To a person who truly believes life begins at conception, all forms of hormonal contraception do cause an abortion. It is not an unreasonable belief. You don’t have to believe it. You can use contraception, buy some for you neighbor, give it out on the street corner, whatever. But in the US, we do not force people to act against their religious/moral conscience just to further an agenda.

          • Anonymous

            And nobody in the Catholic Church is being forced to use contraceptives.  The Church is  being asked to provide insurance that covers contraceptives to non Catholics they hire to work in institutions that provide non-religious services to non Catholics.  Nobody interfering with their religious freedom.  I pay for war which is against my beliefs.  I fund  books and transportation for Catholic schools.  I disagree with public funds going to religious schools of any kind.  How is this different from the Church paying for insurance that covers contraceptives.  This is simply the Catholic Church trying to flex it’s muscles and intrude into government policy.  They do this in so many countries.  They would like to the US to conform to the Popes wishes also.

          • Anonymous

            But that’s where you’re wrong. You get to have your opinion of whatever words mean, but that doesn’t change reality. That’s not what an abortion is, not legally and not medically, so don’t call it that in a medical/legal discussion. Further, no one is being asked to change their beliefs. You can still be against them. But, we have a legally mandated standard of healthcare in this country and that includes contraceptives. Don’t use them if you don’t want to, but legally, they must be provided by health care providers. Don’t like it? Don’t be in the business. 

          • Anonymous

            No one, not the government, the president or your next door neighbor is forcing anyone to use contraceptives.  If there is no egg released there is no “potential” anything and if there is no egg, fertilized or not fertilized – there can not be an abortion.  If that were true then any woman who does not release an egg, whether through using contraceptives, illness, treatment of illness,  or any type of sterility would be knowingly and even willfully be causing an abortion every month. 
            The only agenda is yours ….. and the Church’s … deny woman the means to effectively and efficiently control when and how often they bear children and how many children they bear.  The trouble is they are educated now and can make their own medical decisions ….. so let’s use religious doctrine and emotional blackmail to reign them back in.

          • Anonymous

            The evidence of facts refutes you here. If 98% of Catholic women have used birth control, then apparently the church is not very good at blackmail and coercion. I have not known one Catholic woman who used birth control and felt guilty about it. They felt it was their decision to make. And nobody–not the local priest, not me–used any religious weapon to emotionally blackmail them.
            Women have always known how to control their fertility. The women of the past 50 years may actually be more out of touch with how their body works than women 500 years ago. A woman does not need an advanced degree to understand her body.

            I think  this discussion is lacking in something because we are only talking about the physical presence of life. It’s important to note that to a Catholic, conception is considered the moment when the immortal soul is infused into the new human. It’s not just about when a life becomes biologically viable. Which leads me to wonder what happens to all those souls of fertilized eggs that are sloughed off naturally, or even unnaturally?

          • Anonymous

            But they are not biologically, medically or legally correct.  

          • Anonymous

            But they are theologically correct, and not biologically incorrect. Biologically, the genetic union necessary to instigate the formation of the new human is created at conception, not implantation.

          • Anonymous

            So are all those in vitro fertilization clinics committing murder when they dispose of unused fertilized eggs at the “parents'” direction?

          • Anonymous

            And if the fertilized egg does not implant on the uterine wall ……. it will not develop into a human or a chicken or a cat or any other type of mammal…unless there is significant medical intervention and even then the odds are very close to nil before 20 weeks gestation.  Heck, it seems some believe “potential life” and “potential heir” is more important than the life of the one who bears it. 

          • luvGSD

            You are the one who is deliberately lying, which is a sin, by the way, enumerated in the 10 Commandments.  Birth control, by the way, is not.  Posting under multiple handles as you do isn’t either, but it should be.

          • I’m not lying, that’s almost word-for-word from a few medical web sites I went to while looking for a definition.

            And I already went over why I have two monikers, and admitted it. In case you missed it: “Ceegen” and “Pat Riote” are both me. I use “Ceegen” to post from college because the computers here freak out and freeze up when I try logging into Disqus with “Pat Riote,” which is easy to do at home since it’s saved in the cookies I don’t have to keep logging in. I’ve done nothing in secret.

          • Anonymous

            An abortion, spontaneous or induced,  only happens if the zygote has been implanted into the uterus. Prior to implantation it is not medically or legally considered an abortion.  It is only religious organizations that have decided to call the use of Plan B or emergency contraception an “abortion”.

      • Anonymous

        Plan B needs to be taken within 72 hours. Why? Because it takes that long for an egg to be fertilized and implanted. This is not an abortion by any stretch of the imagination.

      • Anonymous

         An embryo is not rejected. If the ovum has been fertilized it is called a zygote. The zygote rejected is a single cell it has not even reached the cleavage stage. A zygote is not an embryo.

    • Anonymous

      I guess he also assumes that every time a couple has sex it results in a child being conceived!!! I don’t think so!!!!  Needs to go back to biology class!!

      • luvGSD

        Didn’t you know that in their minds conception occurs every time you have sex?  That’s why they’re against contraception!  Their view is that sex is not allowed — nay, does not even occur — unless it is for procreational purposes.  This explains a host of their misbegotten (pun intended) views.

  • Anonymous

    Mr. Coleman states that Catholic adoption agencies had to be closed because of a law that allows children to be adopted by parents who practice sodomy.

    Really?  That’s the wording in the law? 

    Or are you, like so many others of your conservative ilk, making presumptions about what goes on in the bedrooms of other people and passing  judgment on it…as if it was any of your business.

    It’s not.

    • Anonymous

      Let’s not even mention that some opposite sex couples practice sodomy …. of course OS couples bedrooms are off-limits ….

      • Anonymous

        “Sodomy” is a fairly broad term, which can refer to any sexual act that is beyond the reproductive type.  That, I’m guessing, would disqualify most couples…gay or straight.

        • Anonymous

          I don’t think some know the full definition ….or don’t think it applies to OS couples or it doesn’t apply to married OS couples .. or.. it no one’s business.

          • pbmann

            Or like Alabama who by statute state that married couples cannot commit sodomy (Any act of sexual gratification between persons not married to each other involving the sex organs of one person and the mouth or anus of another)but unmarried couples commit sodomy (Any touching or the sexual or other intimate parts of a person not married to
            the actor, done for the purpose of gratifying the sexual desire of either party) by having any type of sex.

            http://www.sodomy.org/laws/alabama/

  • Anonymous

    It seems to me that the Catholic Church is trying to out evangelical the evangelicals. It is sort of funny in that either group seems to think the other won’t be allowed in heaven.

    The Church seems to have a problem keeping their own members from taking contraceptives. Except in poor countries where most of the women are kept ignorant, and pregnant.

    • Anonymous

      The thinking appears to be, “We can’t make our women refrain from using contraceptives so we want the government to make it hard for all women to disobey us by making contraceptives difficult to get and expensive.”  I’ve seen third graders that have more sophisticated thinking skills than that.

  • Anonymous

    JOHN,
    There is more talent in your local high school choir then the combined talent of all those who have disgraced our nation latley with their degrading performances . The Patriots championship game was by far the worse.

    THOMAS,
    What else can one say about our leader? It’s all been said and yet 50% of the nation will vote for him again, or whatever the freeloading figure is at election time. I can only hope that Newts plans to colonize the moon includes obama and his supporters as the first colony.

    • Anonymous

      Newt? Newt who? lol. Better get on the Romney train AMC, you will still be backing a great big loser, but at least it won’t be a drubbing like it would have been with Newtie. 

      • Anonymous

        You mean Newt “I want to be married to one woman but I want to keep my mistress on the side” Gingrich? 

        • Anonymous

          LOL  Thanks for the chuckle of the day.

  • Anonymous

    It appears that it’s the Catholic bishops who oppose insurance covering contraceptives since  about 98% of Catholic women use contraceptives. And it appears it’s the males of the conservative churches  most opposed to abortion and emergency contraception since they are the ones that show up at hearings to testify against women making reproductive decisions. 

    This presents an interesting question.   Why are males so interested in women’s reproductive decisions.  Makes you wonder if the real question isn’t birth control but control of women’s decisions

    • Anonymous

      It’s  a control issue by the “so-called” superior sex!!!!

    • Anonymous

      Absolutely spot on. Women cannot have political equality if they are not in control of the reproductive process. The poorest and most oppressive societies in the world are those in which women do not have access to contraception.
      And don’t these Catholics realize that coverage for birth control will result in FEWER abortions? Seems like a win-win.

    • Anonymous

      It’s so disingenuous for conservatives to talk about personal liberties out of one side of their mouth and then work to deny women the right to make decisions about their reproductive capacity out of the other.

    • Anonymous

      It doesn’t matter if 98% of Catholics choose not to follow their teaching regarding birth control.  Most people don’t follow strictly what their church teaches or believes.

      Did you ever think that couples who are choosing to follow the  Churches teaching on birth control are the ones that are thinking for themselves?  We live in a culture where sex is promoted for men’s pleasure, women need to always be ready, willing and able.  Maybe couples who aren’t  using contraception in their marriages have more of a mutual respect for each other.

  • Anonymous

    Mr. Coleman, you are dead wrong about either the birth control pill or the morning after pill being abortifacients.  
      Why do you express no “concern”  about in vitro fertilization clinics.  They destroy thousands of fertilized eggs that are no longer needed by the “parents.”     If a fertilized egg unattached to any uterine wall is a human life equal to your own, I suggest that you “adopt” these thousands of eggs and find women willing to have you implant them in their uteruses. 

    • luvGSD

      Having been brought up Catholic I must say that I am appalled by self-proclaimed Catholics like Mr. Coleman publishing lies in a public forum, which is a sin, speaking supposedly on behalf of the Catholic Church, which is also a sin.  My entire life I never was taught that the Catholic Church considers women to be second-class citizens or that women’s health is a SIN.  These baseless, unrelenting, POLITICAL attacks on women in the name of the Catholic Church must be seen for what they are:  sheer, unadulterated blasphemy.
      (BTW, thanks BDN, for deleting my previous post.)

      • Anonymous

        Well said.

      • Anonymous

        You are wrong. You may have been brought up a Catholic, but you didn’t learn what your church teaches officially. There is no sin for a Catholic to state his belief and his Church’s doctrine in a public forum.
        And you are right. You have never been taught that women are second class citizens and that women’s health is a sin. Not in a Catholic church.
        But you must know that the Catholic Church teaches that artificial contraception is unnatural and is an offense against God’s design for marriage. And you must know the church is vehemently opposed to abortion and that they consider life to begin at conception, not implantation of an embryo. And you must know that the church teaches that homosexual sex is a sin, as is heterosexual sex outside marriage.

        • Anonymous

          Each and every month a married woman releases an egg that is not fertilized causes the death of a “potential” human life.  Each and every sperm of a married man that does not fertilize an egg causes the death of a “potential” human life.  It is unnatural for an egg and a sperm not to join together and become a human life ….. that is their function by God’s design ….. even the rhythm method causes the death of a “potential” human life as it does not allow for conception to happen in the first place.
          PS it also teaches that acts engaged in by married couples that are not “open to life” are not permitted ….. and of course all married Catholic couples adhere to those teachings? The majority of any month for women, they are not “open to life” as in there is no egg present to fertilize so is intercourse prohibited for 27 days a month?

          • Anonymous

            Seriously, this is not a logical argument.

            The Catholic Church teaches that the sex act must be at least potentially fruitful–or, in other words, not deliberately sterile. Of course there are millions of eggs in a healthy woman, and only a few could possibly be fertilized, and then only  if you have sex. You can’t leave sex out of the equation when talking about Catholic theology.
            The church also teaches that sex is for the purpose of uniting man and woman. Sex has a dual purpose–to make man and woman one, and to create life. Both are natural reasons to have sex, and neither can be interfered with artificially and deliberately.

          • luvGSD

             The Vatican approves of the use of condoms.  What say ye now?

          • Anonymous

            And priests having sex with children?   How does this fit with Catholic dogma?

          • luvGSD

             I know of a (non-Catholic) minister who was de-frocked due to child sex abuse but still gets to collect his pension.

          • Anonymous

            The whole idea that religious organizations with their sordid history are empowered by God to make sexual decisions for everybody else is not just ridiculous it clearly represents a thinking disability deep within in the  churches basic tenets.  

          • Anonymous

            It doesn’t.

          • Anonymous

            Unless it is the rhythm method …. abstain for the time around ovulation … and that is not deliberate?
            BTW: Appro0x. 400,000 eggs are produced in the female body (not millions) and only about 1/10 mature and are actually released during her childbearing years.

          • Anonymous

            It is not sinful to NOT have sex in Catholic theology, even if said sex could have produced a pregnancy. It is only sinful to have sex and render it deliberately sterile.

            Interesting BTW–at about 20 weeks gestation, a female fetus will have 6 to 7 million oocytes in her ovaries. At birth, it is about 1 to 2 million, and by puberty it is about the 400,000 you cited. Of those, 10% will potentially be released over her reproductive years. It is cool to think of how many genetic combinations are possible when you consider each egg could mate with any of millions of sperm….but I am only saying it is cool in theory—I am not advocating any practice here.

        • luvGSD

          It is a sin to lie.  He is entitled to make up his own opinions, but he is not entitled to make up facts.

          • Anonymous

            Sure it is a sin to lie, but I didn’t see any lies in his letter. Just his opinion based on the facts as he understands them.

          • Anonymous

            Deliberately rejecting facts and spreading your misinformation is just as bad as a lie. Plan B is not the abortion pill as you actually need to be pregnant in order to have an abortion.

          • luvGSD

             What you wrote makes no sense.  A  lie is a lie.  Ignorance is no excuse.

          • Anonymous

            To tell a lie, a person must have knowledge of the truth and deliberately tell something against that truth. If you state something out of ignorance, you are not lying, you are uninformed.

          • luvGSD

             Good luck with that.

          • Anonymous

            AH but ignorance is bliss ….. and lying is not mortal sins in catholic doctrine…. even though bearing false witness is included in the 10 Commandments …. that only applies when on is under oath (according to a self-identified Catholic poster on the BDN).

        • Anonymous

          Sadly you seem to be in the minority … Catholics who follow the doctrine to a tee….. must be disturbing for you.

          • Anonymous

            Actually, I may be in the minority, but not because I follow doctine to a tee. I think I would be classified as a “non-practicing Catholic”–and those types might even be a majority now, who knows?

  • Anonymous

    Re Rinda Varnum’s defense of Mormonism: pray tell me, as a non-Mormon, why Mormons continue to insist that non-Mormons who are long dead be baptized by living Mormons in order to be saved. This extends to Jewish victims of the Holocaust, including Anne Frank. As if she and other observant Jews didn’t suffer enough. For many Mormons, their suffering doesn’t count–only Mormon baptism counts for their alleged salvation. Is there any other American religion whose contempt for others outside of the faith equals this nonsense? And you wonder why so many non-Mormons don’t want Mitt Romney as President. Shame on those who deem themselves religiously superior to Anne Frank.

    • Anonymous

      I would dare say that many Christians don’t believe Anne Frank entered heaven because she didn’t accept Christ as her personal savior  ….. in other words because she was Jewish, not Christian. 

      • Anonymous

        He was saying that Mormons believe it. Not what HE believes.

        • Anonymous

          My comment was an observation that many Christian denominations believe only those who accept Christ will enter heaven …. and even then there is in-fighting between many denominations on whether it is faith alone or good works or predestination or salvation or baptism or various combinations.  There is no room for discussion, each of them is the only “right” way.

    • Anonymous

      I’m going to be really pissed if I find out someone has baptized me into the Mormon Church. 

  • Anonymous

    John Clark:  good letter.
    Thomas Coleman:  which pill are you talking about?  If you mean the “Morning After Pill”, it’s effective before implantation which the only time the fertilized egg even has a chance of being viable.  If you mean birth control pills, they regluate ovulation, well before any possible fertilization.  Your other views are also over the top.

  • Anonymous

    It is unconscionable that those who have been allowed to live after being conceived, nurtured in their mothers’ wombs and birthed through a natural process or C-section,  have the nerve to say “getting rid of an embryo.”  A thorough instruction in where one comes from is in order, since it is a natural formation for each one of us.

    • Anonymous

      The “thank your mother for not using birth control so you could be born”  argument has very little intellectual honesty.  And it is an illogical  moral justification for preventing women from making responsible reproductive decisions.

  • Guest

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    • Anonymous

      You are correct. Catholics use the rhythm method but it’s still birth control.

      • Guest

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      • Anonymous

        The Natural Family Planning method, also called Fertility Awareness Method, is not birth control in the sense that natural cycles are disrupted or altered or interfered with. Catholics are free to work within the natural cycles of a woman’s body if a pregnancy is not desired.

        • Anonymous

          But 98% of Catholic women choose to use contraceptives.  

          • Anonymous

            But I am not sure what your point is. I know that Catholic women use contraception. That doesn’t change the Catholic Church’s position on the morality of using contraception. As far as I can see–the fact that you use contraception, but still adhere to a faith that says it is sinful and unnatural, requires some spiritual gymnastics, but if one is flexible enough, they can do the flip, right?

          • luvGSD

             The Vatican approves of the use of condoms.  What say ye now?

          • Anonymous

            Does the Church actively work to make these women comply, do they ignore it or do they pretend it is not occurring?  Are couples who use artificial means excommunicated or do they confess it when they enter the confessional, complete their penance and are forgiven till the next confession when they confess it again?  Or is the Church so concerned about keeping their parishioners that they don’t don’t concern themselves with it because there are far greater sins?

          • Anonymous

            I don’t pretend to know what other people do, or what they confess. I know of no Catholic church that would excommunicate a couple because they use birth control. And, while some priests might preach about the morality of birth control, most don’t touch it at all.

            Have you ever looked at the Catechism of the Catholic Church?? There are a whole lot of sins in there! Guilty conscience is the name of a Catholic’s invisible playmate.

      • Anonymous

        (Reuters) – Some 98 percent of sexually active Catholic women have used contraceptive methods banned by the church, research published on Wednesday showed.A new report from the Guttmacher Institute, the nonprofit sexual health research organization, shows that only 2 percent of Catholic women, even those who regularly attend church, rely on natural family planning.
        The latest data shows practices of Catholic women are in line with women of other religious affiliations and adult American women in general.
        “In real-life America, contraceptive use and strong religious beliefs are highly compatible,” said the report’s lead author Rachel Jones.
        She said most sexually active women who do not want to become pregnant practice contraception, and most use highly effective methods like sterilization, the pill, or the intrauterine device (IUD).
        “This is true for Evangelicals and Mainline Protestants, and it is true for Catholics, despite the Catholic hierarchy’s strenuous opposition to contraception,” Jones said.BOSTON | Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:54pm EDT

  • pbmann

    Birth Control pills actually stop a women from ovalating so there is no fertilized egg in the first place and the morning after pill actually stops fertilization and implantation of the egg into the womb. 

    It has been estimated that 50% of all fertilized eggs slough off naturally with a women’s menstruel cycle.

    • Anonymous

      Birth control pills usually stop a woman from ovulating, but sometimes a woman will still ovulate. In that case, any fertilized ovum would not implant in the uterus due to the hormone levels maintained by the pill. So, if one believes life begins at conception, not implantation, then the birth control bill causes an abortion.
      Who has estimated that 50% of all fertilized eggs slough off naturally?? Never heard that one before.

      • pbmann

        I read that up 50% of fertilized eggs slough off naturally first in Discover Magazine several years ago and in several articles I have read since then. 

        That same article also stated that up to 1/3 of pregnancies did not make it past the first trimester naturally, hence the old wives tale of not telling anyone you are pregnant until after the first trimester.

        • Anonymous

          If every codfish egg became a fish, in six years the oceans of the world would be solid codfish.

        • luvGSD

          It is also important to note that Plan B is emergency contraception and not a regular birth control method.  Since there is only a 2.5% chance per coupling that the sperm and egg have even joined, the odds of fertilization occurring are next to nil.

      • Anonymous

        Those cases are very very rare …most often it fails because they are not taken properly (several missed pills) .  If the fertilized egg does not implant on the wall of the uterus it is not a viable pregnancy ….. if it implants within the fallopian tube it is deadly….. if it implants anywhere not within the uterus it is deadly … should everything be done in these cases to save the life that has been conceived?   

        • Anonymous

          Many pregnancies are not viable. Miscarriages happen. Not all prolife people find it problematic that their contraception could be causing the termination of a pregnancy that could be viable if not for the contraceptive hormone. Other prolife people do find even the slight chance that this might happen problematic.

  • Anonymous

    As I understand it the Catholic bishops consider contraceptives  immoral.  They claim it is infringing on their religious freedom to force them to fund something immoral.   

    We are being told this by priests that raped children, the bishops that covered up the rapes and Popes that paid out billions to silence the raped children.  

    Tell me again exactly why we are even considering the Church’s position on morality?

    • luvGSD

      The Vatican has already approved the use of condoms.  (But only for HIV prevention! wink wink, nudge nudge.) For some strange reason male contraception is okay.

      • Anonymous

        Makes one wonder about the real issue, doesn’t it.  Why we are putting up with this blatant hypocrisy from churches is a mystery.  What moral standing do they really have to instruct the world after their illegal shenanigans. 

      • Anonymous

        See, now you are crossing into the land of lies that you said you abhor. The Vatican has not approved the use of condoms for birth control for men or women.
        What the Vatican has said is that if you are a prostitute, and you will continue to have sex regardless of the morality of the situation, and you are HIV positive, the use of a condom is a small step toward morality that the church supports you taking.

    • Anonymous

      If a Democrat politician is accused of raping a woman, and the Democrat party covers it up, does that mean we should never listen to anything the Democrat party says? Because Bill Clinton was accused of rape at least once, and no one did a thing to help the woman, and the party faithful did all they could to quash the charge, even taking a lot of effort to attempt to besmirch the woman in question’s reputation. To this day, he, and the party, have never accepted responsibility.
      Priests molested children. Bishops acted wrongly to cover it up. The church is attempting to address their responsibility in these crimes. This is all acknowledged.
      It doesn’t matter whether you or I accept the Catholic position on morality. I am assuming neither of us would accept the Islamic position on treatment of women. But I will defend the right to conscience of any religion. In the United States, the government cannot compel a religion to act against its moral conscience.

      • Anonymous

        Moral conscience??????????????  An organization that is universally complicit from it’s highest levels in trying to cover up and buy their way out of the raping of children in many countries has no moral conscience.  Let alone the moral standing to tell women whether they can use contraceptives or not. 

        Moral conscience my eye!!!!!!!  Morality has long since flown when the rape of children is endemic in an organization.

  • Anonymous

    Rinda Varnum’s closing sentence says it all. For the writer, church doctrine is the basis for measuring truth. With thousands of interpretations of  hundreds of religious doctrines is it any wonder most of us see the value in keeping church and state separate.  

  • Still waiting…Lori? I for one of many hope the child torturing, child murdering rapist rots away his last days behind bars; although it would be nice to have him dead as soon as possible to lesson the tax dollars necessary to keep the worthless piece of @@@@ alive.  

  • Anonymous

    John L. Clark – Your letter should be required reading in every newspaper in the country.Thomas Coleman Sr. – You head in an awkward place. Not everyone agrees with your human life definition. You can pontificate after you’ve delivered your first child.
    Lori Dumont – We know of your affection for Mr. Duchaine. Please don’t force it on us.

  • Anonymous

    John, 

    Settle down. Respect the talent that was chosen. 

    Thomas, 

     “The Catholic Church had to close adoption agencies because of Obama’s law saying they must allow children to be adopted by people who practice sodomy”……”Had to”?? More like, chose to. The CC has decided it was in THEIR best interest to prevent loving/capable gay couples from adopting. Since when do Catholic woman not enjoy being sodomized? This is 2012…. Lock it up. 

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