Comments for: Pingree to LePage: Federal waiver unlikely to allow DHHS cuts

Posted Jan. 31, 2012, at 11:20 a.m.
Last modified Jan. 31, 2012, at 6:12 p.m.

AUGUSTA | Rep. Chellie Pingree told Gov. Paul LePage during a private meeting on Tuesday that it was unlikely that any federal Medicaid waivers would be granted to allow some of the health care cuts he has proposed. After a 45-minute meeting between the two in the governor’s office, …

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  • Anonymous

    Pingree says:  “I don’t know that the federal government at this point is going to say
    to Maine, it is okay to put people back out on the street with no health
    care coverage.” ……………  What she completely does not understand is that it is absolutely not the place of the federal government, or any government to determine whether or not people should or should not be “allowed” to have or not have health insurance.  It is a matter for private citizens to determine for themselves and for the market to allow to happen as demanded by the people!

    • Anonymous

      The fraudsters think it’s just fine. Honest people Don’t!
      Save the funds for those that Truly need it.

      Report Fraud in Maine
      Allegations of fraud or attempted fraud involving funds, including Food Stamps,
      administered by the Department of Health and Human Services should be sent to:
      Fraud, Investigation and Recovery
      11 State House Station
      Whitten Road
      Augusta, Maine 04333-0011

      Phone numbers for DHHS Fraud office are:
      1-207-287-2409 and 1-800-442-6003
      Further questions and suspicions can also be submitted by e-mail.
      Fraud.Dhhs@maine.gov

      Contact the Office of the Attorney General
      Phone: 207-626-8800
      Mailing Address:
      Office of the Attorney General
      6 State House Station
      Augusta, ME 04333

      http://www.maine.gov/ag/contact.html

      Do All three, Phone, E-mail and send a Letter.
      Follow-up in 30 days with a Certified letter if no response.
      Send a letter Directly to the Governor’s Office, that should get their attention.
      Keep a written log of actions and attempts to notify.
      Hold them Responsible!

      • Anonymous

        will you get off it?

        BDN please do something about these posts! He has posted the same thing for the last 3 days!! Is he a paid Tea Party hacker?, I dunno. But he posted the same thing on the story about the shooting in D-F. What the hell does fraud reporting links have to do with that story? What does it have to do with THIS story?

        • Anonymous

          I’m much more comfortable reading his rant than hearing your creamcheese and olive sandwich story again!

          • Anonymous

            I’m more inclined to respond to his rants then you.  You are no different than the “fraudsters”,  only you want a whole town to continue to get something for nothing because your “special”.  And when it’s offered, it’s not what you want……..pfffffft.

            save your breathe and effort.

          • Tom

            Lol…best post of the day!

          • Anonymous

            I doubt that you even know what he’s referring to.

            This coming from a man who posts “LEAGALIZE” on a story about a 14 year old kid caught with pot, a pipe, a pill crusher and other little drug toys in Orono.

            Well thought out.

          • Anonymous

            Don’t know where you dredged that one up, Rusty.

            Reading comprehension apparently isn’t one of your better qualities.

          • Anonymous

            “……..pfffffft.”

            I just KNEW he had a lisp.

          • Anonymous

            and that’s funny.   because the man that this whole cream cheese and olive sandwich thing is Mike Michaud,  who never would allow lobbyist to take him to lunch.     Now, the republicans think that  he’s …..what?       Not able to represent?       I would much rather have a representative that doesn’t let the lobbyist kiss his but,  thank you very much.

            YOU do remember that Mike used to work at the mill…….don’t you?? I think I remember him in the register as regarding himself as a “paper maker”.

        • Anonymous

          He’s posted in for the last month and a half. Broken record!!

      • Guest

        So we should all spy and turn in our neighbors and anyone we hear  of whether justified or not! Big Brother will love this – sounds like Cuba comrade.

        • Guest

          Just collapse the thread.

        • Anonymous

          Thats the ditto heads version of freedom. Everyone being a rat for Daddy Warbucks.

          • Anonymous

            Ditto heads?  Huh.  And all this time I thought they were dildo heads.

        • Anonymous

          I’m a lib but believe if we can eliminate the little bit of actual fraud, the GOP won’t have any arguments left to whine about, so people who are cheating should be reported.

        • Anonymous

          I wouldn’t make a complaint unless you are sure or very sure it is true. If you are going to complain about people on welfare, you should be willing to make a complaint to fraud.

          • Anonymous

            I’ve complained about rep.Nutting’s fraud but no r is paying attention.

        • Anonymous

          If your neighbor stole your car you’d turn him in, why do you balk at turning him in if he steals your tax dollars?

      • Anonymous

        The real fraud is the war on drugs; are you going to report that?  Can you see it? Probably not.

      • Anonymous

        those should be printed in all newspapers in the state once a month..as well as all the bills filed before the legislature and by whom…a well informed public is a politicians nightmare

    • Guest

      That is up to the SCOTUS.

      • Anonymous

        9 people dressed in black robes deciding on the direction of healthcare for 300 million souls?

        BRILLIANT!!!

        • Anonymous

          And who do you suggest decide the Constitutionality of a law (not make the policy as you imply), one Socialist in the white House?

          Personally, I think each of the persons affected should make the individual decision but the socialist elite in Washington have taken that decision from us.  Not only must we be covered to comply with ObamaCare, but most of us have to pay for coverage for those that refuse to pay themselves. 

          So yeah, I’m OK with 9 judicial experts deciding if taking that choice from me is Constitutional. 

          Stick to squeezing toilet paper Mr Whipple.

        • Anonymous

          Brilliant?   What are you talking about?    There are THREE branches of government.  This is the one that decided you have a right to bear arms, and blacks don’t have to have their own restaurant’s and schools.      What a crazy comment

        • Anonymous

          The Congress that you yahoos got elected couldn’t decide on anything. 
          Who’s left to be “the deciders” ? 

          Soooo … given that you clearly take exception with the basic principles of the US Constitution,
          what do you think is the bettah alternative for runnin’ America, Mr. Whipple ?   

        • Anonymous

          Who would like as an alternative the Millinocket Fin and Feather club?

        • Guest

          You want a small government right?

    • Anonymous

      Yes we are all in this for ourselves. Too bad so sad you have no health insurance. Just die when you get sick because we don’t care……THE REPUBLICANS

      • Anonymous

        The republicans DO care about you….when you are a fetus, after that you are on your own !!

        • Anonymous

          Yup!!! but before that continues…they step in and tell a woman that she doesn’t have the right to her body or any say in her health care…They just tell her that due to gang rape or incest or critical health reasons which may cause her death, that it is her responsiblity to carry rather than abort…than when the child is born, your right…your on your own….and now have a right to make decisions….that is why as a Republican for 58 years I am gone….a bunch of hypocrites….

          I am a Christian, but I do have a brain and will not jump in the lake in order to get out of the rain, just because you tell me too….Palin was going around lecturing about family values four years ago when her daughter was having a child out of wedlock, plus they were living under her roof…once the baby was born, Palin him out….he wasn’t good enough for the family now that she was thrown out in the spotlight….Hey!!!family values folks.
          The same people who walk in the front door of their church, praise the Lord…walk out the back door and go home and beat their wife, or tell her that you want a divorce because she is the reason that your life is so miserable….and that you had to beat her for it…..you read about it everyday….Hyporcrites!!! Conservative Values…..”WELL THEY AREN’T MY VALUES”. Good Day!!!

          • Guest

            I know very few churchgoers who fit your stereotype. Most quietly
            ignore the endless criticism  and go and stock
            the food pantry.  There are good people everywhere. And I know plenty of
            people these days who practice “the staring at my navel I am wonderful”
            religion while ignoring everyone outside of their highly sensitive selves.  Also, while I’m not as conservative as them, some
            of the most conservative churches are full of the poor, tattooed and weary, because
            they’re given respect.  A lot of liberals love the tiny proportion of
            Maine refugees, but the rural white luckless poor?  Not always so much.

          • Anonymous

            Too bad the more conservative churches don’t respect all who would come in their doors.  Or really help them.

          • Guest

          • Anonymous

            As I’ve stated before….the moral majority is neither!

        • Yes the Republicans do care about fetuses especially from a republican family

          • Anonymous

            Who are you kidding? Plenty of Republicans have abortions and would absolutely and very hypocritically declare their horror at abortion while their own child was getting one. These same people would be aghast hearing people talk about premarital sex even though they paid for an abortion for their own kid.  Hypocrisy exists across the political board and that includes Republicans.  Yours is just another ridiculous HYPOCRITICAL self-serving statement that doesn’t make any sense at all. 

        • Anonymous

          Alternative headline: ” Pingree to Penguin: You Don’t Have Half the Power You Think You Have”.

      • The top 50% of income earners pay 100 % of all Federal income taxes while the top 1% pay 36% percent;  how about getting the bottom 50% to pay at least something?  Funny how I only hear crickets chirp whenever I ask that question. 
         
         
                                  

        • Anonymous

          Can you please provide your proof?

          • Here you are…and there are plenty more sites:

            http://ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays-income-taxes.html

          • Anonymous

            I have a hard time reading anything by a group that supports deregulation (which got us in the financial mess with the banks)  and who gives Jim DeMint an award. And besides, the table doesn’t break it down. The bottom 50% of earners make $32,396…of course they only pay 2.25% of Federal income tax. It goes by income but I bet they paid a higher percent of their income than the top 50%…at least the top 1%!

          • how about the CNN? Or do you just not want to address the issue without your own spin?
             
            http://money.cnn.com/2011/04/14/pf/taxes/who_pays_income_taxes/index.htm

          • Anonymous

            I actually read it. Did you? I guess I don’t get your point. This article says that the lower 50% pay taxes other ways. That’s not a “spin”.

          • My point is that we are discussing income taxes.  Those are the taxes your ilk are so happy to raise, and why not?  There is no downside for your constituency….they receive benefits but pay nothing for them. Sure these people must pay sales, property and payroll taxes but is it not curious there is no move to increase those particular taxes.  Further, two of the most significant of those ‘other taxes’ are on sales and property: taxes that are not even Federal taxes so Congress could not increase them even if they wanted to. Again, my point is not that 50% of wage earners do not pay ANY tax,  my point is simply that they do not pay income taxes.  However, if I had the statistics on the distribution of sales taxes amongst wage earners I would expect them to follow a very similar pattern as income taxes.  The 50% of wage earners who do not paying income taxes surely pay far less in property taxes and sales taxes as the top 50% of wage earners….take a ride along the shores of Cape Elizabeth, Hampden and Mt Dessert Island and imagine the property and sales tax the owners pay of these properties pay on their homes, automobiles and boats. MSaly, I do not think you and I disagree on the facts, we disagree on the purpose of taxes; I want taxes to run government, schools and also provide a safety net for those who are in financial difficulty as a result of situations they did not cause while you merely want to redistribute income; you view wealth as something to be ashamed of.  In fact, I would guess you consider Romney’s tax return from last year as shameful..I do not: he earned 25 million dollars and gave 30% to charity, the federal government and the state of Massachusetts and New Hampshire.      

          • Anonymous

            Sorry…your point means nothing to me.

          • Anonymous

            Points suck when they don’t mesh with your mantra, huh?

          • Anonymous

            Truly an ignorant comment!

          • Anonymous

            Actually, it’s pointless to discuss these things with Fox News watchers.

          • Anonymous

             So says the Huffington Post and MSNBC watcher.

          • My documentation was from CNN, not Fox.  You cannot deal with the truth so you sneak back into your house of sticks…LOL

          • Anonymous

            I just looked at the average tax rate for the top 1% and bottom 50% at the link below and here is what I found based on the IRS data at IRS.gov.  The average tax rate is determined by dividing the total income tax by the adjusted gross income of each bracket.  As you can see, when it comes to Federal income tax, the bottom 50% is now paying a lot less than they did 15-20 years ago.  An average tax rate in the 20% range is what the top 1% are paying and have been paying all along, it’s the bottom 50% that’s not paying their share.   

            Average tax rate
            2009  top 1% – 24.01%      bottom 50%-  6.5%
            2008  top 1% – 23.27%      bottom 50%-  7.7%
            2005  top 1% – 23.13%      bottom 50%-  8.4%
            2003  top 1%-  24.31%      bottom 50%-  11.2%
            2000 top 1%-   27.45%      bottom 50%-  11.7%
            1995  top 1%-   28.73%      bottom 50%-  18%
            1990  top 1%-  23.25%      bottom 50%- 30.1%
            1988  top 1%-  24.04%      bottom 50%-  26.2%
            http://www.irs.gov/taxstats/indtaxstats/article/0,,id=129270,00.html

          • Anonymous

            Some liberal is going to dispute your source. I can feel it.

          • Anonymous

            I actually second guessed myself quite a few times because these number are a little crazy, especially when comparing  2009 to 88 or 90.   It’s data right from the IRS site.  I can explain how I got the numbers if you need me too.  Microsoft excel is a great program to figure this crap out.

          • Of course not….to accept it requires you to defend the indefensible. LOL

          • Anonymous

            Last year he was running for Prez, let’s have a look at his secret tax returns from 10-15 years ago.

          • Anonymous

             How bout his “double super secret” taxes from fifty years ago?

          • pbmann

            I didn’t know you could have secret tax returns… COOL

          • Anonymous

            They are if you keep them secret like Romney is. I bet he’s hiding something!

          • Anonymous

            So, just did my 2011 Federal Taxes. My wife and I have 2 children, a home, and she is going back to school to get her Masters degree. We made the decision for her to be a stay at home mom last year, but thanks to a pay raise for me, we still have an annual income in the “mid-5 digits.” We still largely live paycheck to paycheck though, with little savings other than retirement and what is going into our home. Thanks to payroll tax incentives for families with children, homes, and college students, our effective tax rate was 1.1%. Yes – a far cry less than Mr. Romney’s 15% even. Do you think that this is wrong or unfair? I work hard, pay taxes in many other ways, and contribute to society. The reduced federal payroll tax contributes to the fact that my children can live comfortably, with a nice home. My wife can take care of our family and home while bettering herself. 

            The bottom line for me is that the federal payroll tax system is constructed to support the people that need it – young families, college students, homeowners, etc. This is done to encourage things that we want from our society. Do we really think that Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich, Barack Obama, Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, etc. are going to miss an extra 1, 2, or 5 million dollars a year in taxes? Would paying another 1, 2, or 5 thousand dollars a year in federal taxes make my life worse? Yes it would. I would suspect that a good chunk of the 50% or so you are complaining about are people like me – the shrinking middle class.

          • Anonymous

            Flat tax,no loopholes.

          • Anonymous

            Thank you for your honesty. This is a perfect example.

          • Guest

            Are you seriously suggesting that the owner of a 2 bedroom shack somewhere in the County should feel ashamed about paying less property tax than the owner of a mansion on the coast?  

          • Anonymous

            You are absolutely right. That’s the point, which is ignored by those who cite statistics based on aggregate taxes paid by percentile groups within the whole population. The issue is about fairness (or ought be); when earned and unearned income are concerned, progressive taxation is the only reasonable way to level the table. Plutocrats hate it, of course – they always have, but that doesn’t make them right. It certainly doesn’t put them in the effort to build a economic and social democracy, an identity we Americans love to trot out for all the world to see and hear.

          • Anonymous

            GOP propaganda at work …long on bs, short on facts, ALWAYS MISLEADING!

          • Anonymous

            So instead of  debating the facts that were clearly laid out for you, we are given catch phrased  propaganda and bs. Huh, imagine that.

          • Anonymous

            Actually I offered you facts  just above here in the thread and instead of checking them out, you chose to just say I was making them up and go off on some ranting tangent. Clearly you’re the one that refuses to debate facts.

          • Anonymous

            SO we should listen to words that comes from the voices of  Mrs. Sussman, Emily Cain, Justin Alfond, Peggy Rotundo, Cynthia Dill, and John Martin.   I think I will pass because the only BS comes from the Democrat Party.  Because they don’t want to see their is huge fiscal problems in Maine.  They want to continue to ignore we are broke, our state is dead last economically that all of these welfare programs are no longer sustainable at the levels they are now and could be headed if nothing is done.

          • Anonymous

            The State isn’t broke. The sky’s not falling. We balance our budget every year for goodness sake….according to LAW.
            Do you really think that unnecessary giveaway tax breaks for the millionaires is a good way to balance the budget?

          • Anonymous

            Huh?

          • Anonymous

            Thank the Bush Tax Cut for cutting the taxes for low income people. That is the reason those that earn under $32,396 pay no taxes or did you forget?

          • Anonymous

            I think there’s a misspelling in the URL-should be nut.org

        • Anonymous

          I’ll pay my 15% like Romney

          • Anonymous

            Does that mean you paid $3 millions last year and another $3 million the prior year in federal taxes alone or are you lucky like buffet and you only paid $6.9 million dollars for 2010 alone.  On another note, how many employees has the capital you invested generated? 

          • Anonymous

            Support the rich fat cats says the mouse! 

          • Anonymous

            So you would rather contiue to  support those who are lazy and who continue to refuse to work that would rather sit home and collect Government checks.  I think it is time for these folks to get off their butts and get jobs like the rest of us.  The handout era needs to end it is unsustainable and is breaking the backs of working families.

          • Anonymous

            Cut and paste, cut and paste. You need to get some new material, nobody’s buying your old boring argument anymore.

          • Anonymous

            Amen!

          • Anonymous

            Remember Romney donates 16% of his income to charity, Obama less than 1%

          • pbmann

            Remember that most of his donations are to the Morman church thru a 10% tithe and other doantions .  HOw much of his charitable donations went to non Morman entities?

          • Anonymous

            Not true. You republicans like to lie.

          • Anonymous

            Prove me wrong.

        • Anonymous

          Well if paying taxes makes you somehow better than those who pay nothing how does it feel to be closer to god than the richest and poorest in the country?

        • The top 1% pay less than 13% on taxes  (See Romney Tax returns for 2010)and if they are corporations they pay 0% See GE. You need to get your facts straight.

          • Anonymous

            Sounds good, to bad  it is wrong.

          • Anonymous

            Actually it’s right. I heard it directly from Romney’s mouth. Then he asked why he should be expected to pay more that the government requires. He also admittedly has accounts in the Caymen Islands. I don’t know what he pays for taxes on those accounts. So, rocky my friend, you should get your facts straight.

          • Anonymous

            Sorry ,you too are wrong my friend. You never heard, or saw, that Romney paid  13% in Taxes.You certainly never heard or saw  that the top 1% pay less than 13% on taxes.  You never  saw or heard  that he is/was hiding money  and or evading taxes  in overseas accounts.these are lies and distortions used to confuse the  gullible amongst us,used by those who care little for facts. These sort of statements are used when  the presentation of fact’s becomes to difficult to respond to.It is the  intellectual equivalent of a 6 year old stomping his feet just before he heads home with the toy’s.  If you looked past the  liberal headlines and talking point’s you would know all of this,but I think you do. So why do you post this silliness?

          • Anonymous

            Rocky you are so so wrong on your “facts”. Do you only listen to FOX “news” propaganda?

          • Anonymous

            Tell me  where I am wrong and what “Facts”  are  speaking of? This was rhetorical as you cant, wont respond  with specifics..

          • Anonymous

            try watching the repub. presidential debates. Amazing that they all are showing that each and every one is either a crook, a liar, a tax evader, a lobbyist, or all four. And that’s them talking, not some liberal dem. putting a spin on it. It’s laughable. “Why you should elect me instead of him, yes I lie, cheat and steal, but he’s worse.”

          • Anonymous

            Like I said, you wont/cant respond  with facts, just  change the subject and hope no one notices. Good day Sir.

          • Anonymous

            The facts came to light in the debates. Sorry I didn’t spell it out more clearly for you. And for once I agree with you, I think we’re done here.

          • Anonymous

            “crook, a liar, a tax evader, a lobbyist” , Wow you have just Described Obama and his Cabinet, refreshing honesty from a Liberal. 

          • Anonymous

            oldboy hopefully filled you in on some of your lies, but like most GOP cheerleaders, you will no doubt ignore it and refuse to look into the veracity of your false statements that you insist are true no matter what. It’s all part of being a brainwashed GOP cult member.

          • Anonymous

            LOL, He filled me in on nothing, not one specific point. Noting.  If you read through you will see this. Not a single  He speak , as most Lib’s do these day’s , speak in generalities  and hint at misdoings . When called on this , they just double down  a repeat the same  nonsense.
             Go back to the beginning of this “thread” and take a look at the postings.  Start  at the beginning  with Georga Grivois  post then work down through the responses. You will see oldboy did nothing but talk in circles, make generalizations . when  given  factual information he just side steps. Now I invite you, pick  something  that you think I am  factually mistaken on.Some  fact I have misrepresented or have missed the mark on completely.Remember, facts ,not  Lib. talking points. Good luck.

          • Anonymous

            Romney has funds  in the Caymans and unless his money is there for fun and sun, I’m quite sure he’s hiding them there for a reason…tax shelter/evading US taxes! Use your common sense.

          • Anonymous

            Try using your brain for researching facts instead of your mouth for spewing garbage. Actually he paid 13.9% one year and 15% the next. The rest of my statement is also true according to Romney himself. But, I guess people like you would prefer a questionably dishonest president to an honest one as long as he’s GOP. I didn’t say he was hiding money or evading taxes overseas, just that he had accounts in the Cayman Islands and that I did not know what he paid on those for taxes. Again, these were statements made by Romney himself, so it’s hard to consider them “lies and distortions used to confuse the  gullible amongst us,used by those who care little for facts.” And frankly, I think you’re the “intellectual equivalent of a 6 year old stomping his feet just before he heads home with the toy’s.” Come on, really, use your head.

          • Anonymous

            My facts are at the ready and my research is sound, what would you like to quiz me on my friend?
            I am not a Romney supporter and I ,in fact, find him lacking in my respects. With that said,  I dislike  dishonest character attacks  more  than I dislike  Mitt.
            I am sure you know the difference  in tax rates on  short term and long term capital gains ,and the rates paid on ordinary income. You know that the 13.9%  Mitt paid on his  “income”  is a larger percentage than most American pay  for  Taxes. Not knowing the answer to a question does not make the answer bad or dishonest .Bringing  up the “Over seas accounts”  is an effort to present a Boggy man to the uniformed. It is to imply bad act’s or dishonesty just by it’s mention. It is dishonest and a lazy minds method of debate.

          • Anonymous

            Said the man who presents fantasy and tries to sell it as fact. 

          • Anonymous

            You just made up a whole bunch of stuff right there my friend.

          • pbmann

            Actually Romney does have holdings in the Cayman Islands and it is unknown if he paid any taxes on assests he holds there.

            The Cayman Islands are also a favorite of ‘shady’ characters who do not wish to declare certain typoes of income.  Not Saying Romney is one of them thou.

          • Anonymous

            He is and I will say so. There’s no other good reason to stash money in the Caymans.

          • Anonymous

            Hey guys most of the money held overseas arrived in there in one of two ways. It was earned overseas. Second it was earned here and taxes were paid on it. Once that happens you have nothing to say about it. Just like Donald Sussmans money arrived there.

          • Anonymous

            Your statement is offensive, I have no “horse” in this race. I made up nothing. His words into a microphone, directly to my ears, and the ears of millions more “my friend”. Do your homework before you run your uninformed mouth.

          • Anonymous

            Another lie

          • Anonymous

            Nice try more than 50% now doesn’t pay any taxes while the top 1% pays most of the taxes in this country.  It is time for the 60% + of the Welfare Crowd & Unemployment crowd who would rather stay home collecting the government dole. Forcing them  to start getting jobs and making them pay their fair share.

          • pbmann

            Most of the jobs out there that the ‘Welfare Crowd & Unemployment crowd’ would get do not pay enough to end up paying Federal Taxes on.  Now if those jobs paid a living wage they would end up paying Federal Taxes.

        • Guest

          What do they have to pay?  And what sense does it make to tax someone on money the government just gave them?  That would be like me giving you $10 and saying but you have to give me back a percentage.  You people don’t get it, they don’t have anything to pay.  Most of them don’t even make more than the standard deduction.  And if they do, they pay, just like everyone else.  The crickets chirp because it’s a stupid question.

          • Anonymous

            many of the benefits are not paid in cash. There is low income housing, free medical, ASPIRE support services, food stamps, General Asst from the town or city, free cell phones, emergency assistance. it goes on and on, and it is all tax free!

          • Anonymous

            “emergency assistance”????damn them!

          • Anonymous

            Yeah it must be nice for them to continue living off of working folks like myself while we continue to struggle ourselves.  Mrs. Sussman would rather continue to see her voting block continuing to get freebies.  If she wants them to still get their freebies she better have her Multi-Billionaire Wall Street Hedgefund Manager husband who took bailouts start writing checks to Maine Revenue to pay for these moochers.

          • Anonymous

            From now on will you just post “Blah, Blah, Blah,” or “Ditto” or something very brief.  It’ll save time reading it, and you obviously never have anything informative to offer. We get it, you hate rich people,  but want them to retain political power, you hate poor, old, and disabled people,  and you work hard.

          • Anonymous

            If there were jobs available people would work. Bring our jobs back from china.

          • Guest

            I’m sure it’s a real fantasy life.  

          • Guest

            You really just don’t get it do you?  If you tax benefits, you’re just going to have to give more benefits for them to be able to pay those taxes.  You somehow seem to think it’s this happy exciting life to depend on the government to survive.  Many people on public assistance find themselves so broke by the end of the month they have to go without medication because they can’t afford the mainecare co-pay.  How does someone living off public assistance infuriate you more than someone who gets a tax cut that amounts to more than you make in a year?

        • Anonymous

          wrong the top 50% doesn’t pay 100% of the taxes and the bottom 50% pays plenty of federal and state and local taxes…. Me sales tax, fed gas tax, state excise tax on autos, local property taxes and on and on

        • Anonymous

          Where are you that you can hear crickets? In Maine there’s snow on the ground.

        • ?   Splain the to me one more time.

        • Anonymous

          Everyone who works pays taxes… when jobs were taken from some people so was their income and you don’t pay taxes on no earnings. It’s an ongoing problem that can’t be corrected until there are enough jobs to employ Americans… not Chinese, Portugal, Peru and all other people from every other place where American companies are paying wages. If you’re hearing crickets you might want to take your headphones off and stop blocking out the world around you. Wake up and smell the coffee…

      • Anonymous

        Riiiiight… cause that was obviously my point; about wanting to keep insurance out of the hands of the poor???..  If you knew anything then you’d know that socialized medicine eventually hurts the poor above all others because they are less able to cope with and get around the inevitable delays, red tape, travel costs, and service shortages that result from it.  I love all these people that think socialism is so great.  If that is the case then why is it that there are virtually no people in the U.S. who want to move to Sweden, Canada, Cuba, Venezuela, Russia, Vietnam, China, Norway, etc.. but there are 10’s of thousands of people from those countries who want to move into the U.S.?!  Is it because we are more socialist?!  I hardly think so!  Keep in mind that the U.S. has over 300 million people, and these other countries are tiny in comparison (ok, not China), so for there to be huge multitudes of people from smaller countries wanting to move here as opposed to similar numbers from the U.S. who want to move to those countries – it really proves a point: Socialism sucks!

        • Anonymous

          Translation from GOP speak: socialized medicine won’t work because poor people might have to wait at the doctor’s office. Really? I think they would prefer waiting rather than get no treatment and just die.

      • Anonymous

        Now if we can keep LePage out of the Appropriations Committee meetings, maybe they can get some real, legal and ethical work done. It must be time for him to stage his sit in at Sebilius’ offiice or go visit his wife in Florida, or something besides hang around here and continue to make a nuisance of himself.

      • Anonymous

        The cruelty is amazing, isn’t it?  This is what happens when you are duped by billionaires to advance their own interest at the expense of the American lifestyle.

      • Anonymous

        Pingree..get your big daddy husband to cut a check from his hedge fund and it will all be ok.
        We know Sussman is a billionaire, so let him do a noble deed and take care of your base.

        • Anonymous

          Better yet,why doesn’t Romney and his Pacs stop wasting money lying to the people with false ads and put that money to good use helping the elderly and poor or building America’s infrastructure.

        • Anonymous

          Grow up. Your envy is showing. You slam Pingree, but I’ll bet every time Olympia is up for re election you vote for her, in spite of the fact that she is a multi millionaire that’s married to a former governor that robbed Maine’s retirement system, and is now under investigation for shady business dealings. And that her biggest campaign supporters are large health insurance and pharmaceutical companies.

      • Anonymous

        Yes the Democrats and Republicans won’t lose any of their coverage that’s for sure. Demi- GODS…LOL

    • Anonymous

      SCOTUS may decide, then again may not. This is a matter of personal responsibility. Watching the Republicans tie themselves in knots explaining why they support personal responsibility at the state level when proposed by Republicans and their think tanks and then oppose it at the Federal level when proposed by Democrats is truely a joy. Then having folks support social irresponsibility as a way out of their ideological maze, is amazing.

    • Anonymous

      “Pingree says:  “I don’t know that the federal government at this point is going to say 
      to Maine, it is okay to put people back out on the street with no health
      care coverage.” ……………  What she completely does not understand is that it is absolutely not the place of the federal government, or any government to determine whether or not people should or should not be “allowed” to have or NOT  have (any) health insurance.” 

      What !?! 

      It seems funny then, that this is just what the GOTea Party political Class of 2010 ran upon and is now implementing. 

      That and more tax cuts are exactly what the NO COMPROMISE,  EVER !, right wing, extremist, less big government,  GOTea Party, do nothing Congressman wanted and will not compromise, EVER,  about.  

      Con. Pingree works with them in Washington, so she knows what they are doing. 
      BUT it is also the policies that Gov. LePage ran and was elected upon.

      So, NOW,  you want to kill the messenger for reminding the arch-conservatives, 
      less big government protesters that they had big gains, in the last election, 
      so sorry, but here are the results of what YOU said that you wanted ? 

      Connect the dots.

    • Anonymous

      Ya,   let’s just keep going with what we know doesn’t provide affordable and equitable health insurance to as many americans as possible.   The insurance market’s don’t compete with each other any longer,  there’s not enough consumers.    They can price whatever they wish, and have for a long time.

      People are demanding affordable health care!…. they could care less about the “market”.

      And it is government’s responsibility to assure that everyone is treated equal, and that includes access to health care. Because if it didn’t have a role in this, then there would not even BE an insurance market, because businesses and corporations would consider it an expense that reduces profits.

      Which way do you want to go? Forward or backward?

      • Anonymous

        The reason there is not “access to affordable health care”, in Maine for example, would be because the democrats have shut-out consumer’s rights to cross state lines in favor of trying to install their own miserably failed Dirigo system which was taken advantage of by the same sort of people who take advantage of MaineCare, Social Security Disability, and Welfare services.  People who have cash income or who barter for room & board via labor, and who then go on every conceivable government service and whine about how it’s not good enough.  There are many young healthy people who choose not to purchase health insurance and that is their right if they perceive the cost is too high and that they are just paying for others.  One reason that insurance in Maine and some states costs 4 times as much as it does in say – New Hampshire, would be because Maine has stupid things like mental health coverage, and guaranteed-issue.  With guaranteed-issue, if you get sick, you can sign up for health insurance and be covered going forward for that pre-existing condition which is insane, and so naturally there are lots of people who don’t have insurance and who just buy it when they need it which causes the insurance companies (all 2 of them) to have insanely high rates to cover that nonsense.  This is all insane crap foisted upon us by democrats in their bid to grab power across the widest spectrum of society possible and increase the size of government.  I am glad to say that it is thankfully failing.  Hopefully common sense will prevail and Obama will be out, more Republicans will be in the house, senate, and state governments and maybe things will be functional in 8 years.  Meanwhile the Obama-loving socialists and union dolts can continue their campaign of baseless emotional rhetoric that is heavy on naive passion & class-warfare, and light on reality/logic.

        • Anonymous

          The same republicans who in 1989 supported and introduced a universal health care now are vehemently opposed to it?   Why?  because they don’t have control of the White House and soon will not have control of the Maine Legislature.

          This link will show that his above statement is not correct, at all. Most of the early proposals were bi-partisan.

          http://healthcarereform.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=004182

        • Anonymous

          Too bad so sad if you have a pre-existing condition. No insurance for you, please just die so we aren’t reminded how careless and heartless we are about our fellow Americans…THE REPUBLICANS

        • Anonymous

          coverage for mental health is stupid? One’s mental health is just as important as their physical health.  Some people have mental illness due to having been abused as a child, nothing they are responsible for.

          • Anonymous

            You mean abuse as in the kind our illustrious governor suffered?  Now that explains everything.

        • Anonymous

          Well, there’s your answer rusjan from AgentP (albeit a little exhaustive)…backward.

    • kcjonez

      Article 1, Section 8–The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States…….   
         

      How do YOU define “General Welfare”?   
         

    • Anonymous

      I don’t know how you get off equating the market with some holy untouchable. If you care to recall 2008, an underregulated financial market really helped us all. 

      • Anonymous

        You mean the market that crashed because various democrats forced a type of banking system where lenders were compelled to give loans to unqualified recipients that were doomed to fail? A market that was spun out of control based on over-inflated house values that were unsustainable because far too many people were allowed into the market who were not able to be a functional part of it?  Oh that market…  My version of a normal market is one in which supply is dictated purely by demand and government regulates only weights & measures, minimal taxation, and basic interstate commerce & transit policies.  Not the entire structure top to bottom, meddling with supply to meet the contrived demand of an unappreciative, non self-sustainable undeserving underclass that is neither willing nor able to be a functional part of a true market based on work, effort, planning, investment, goals, and ACCEPTED RISK.

    • Anonymous

      Hello…We’ve been trying your way for decades in this country and it doesnt work.Millions without access to health care is not deserving of the title “best healthcare system in the world”.

    • Anonymous

      That may be what you WANT… but it certainly is not what we have.  Citizens do participate in healthcare and other major decisions but their participation is limited to voting for elected representatives – particularly those who will participate on our behalf at the federal level – 535 Members of Congress, 435 Representatives in the House and the President of the United States.

      No, whether you like her or not I really don’t think Pingree is the one in this case that doesn’t understand governmental processes… but I do think LePage does not understand. The man has made a fool of himself so many times because he doesn’t know how government works and has made Maine’s governor a national joke. He can’t waste time trying to budget on the basis of hoping the government will give him these waivers when it is not likely. Like it or not he’s got to follow the rules.

    • Anonymous

      Pingree could have said-

      President Obama is going to direct the Federa DHHS not to grant a waiver. It is an election year. He doesnt want to alienate his base of support. You should take the Presidents example of borrowing like there is no tomorrow to cover the lack of funding Governor.

    • Anonymous

      Why do conservatives now rail against the individual mandate?
      Bob Dole ran on it in 1996. Gingrich, Bush I, and Romney all supported it way back when they were what passed for moderates.

    • Anonymous

      Send the Medicaid money back and then toot mighty blasts on your horn.  Till then, there is a character whose name escapes me right now in Catch 22; whose father is describes as a highly principled and moral man who gets rich  on farm subsidies received  for not planting crops.  He also strongly disapproves of all loose women he can’t screw. Go look in the mirror.

    • Anonymous

      Well then Miss Pingree why don’t you and Obama pay for this unfunded mandate you call  affordable healthcare . Don’t expect cash strapped states to cough it up. O wait you have broke the bank at the federal level too.

      • Anonymous

        You seem to have forgotten that the Obama administration was handed a disaster when it came into office and it somehow kept this country from falling off the cliff.  If you have a roof over your head tonight and a 401K that has any balance other than zero, you can thank him for that.

        • Anonymous

          They forget out of convenience. It amazes me that people will defend any republican just because he’s republican, or any democrat just because he’s democrat. It’s not an us against them scenario. It’s a scenario where we all prosper, strengthen,  and survive. And you are right about Obama saving our butts, and I’m not even a democrat.

    • Anonymous

      Health care is part of the right to life and happiness I would think, and not for corporations to decide.

      • Anonymous

        Ah,yes, the old America…before the wretched, cruel Tea Party came into existence.

    • Anonymous

      I bet you have health insurance.

    • Anonymous

      So will you be passing on Medicare and Social Security (which are both expensive government programs) when you become eligible for them?  I don’t want to live in a society that leaves the most vulnerable citizens to fend for themselves.  I’m glad that it’s not up to you.

    • Anonymous

      Spoken like someone who lives in a fantasy world and has never had to deal with no insurance or, more importantly, poverty or unemployment.

    • Anonymous

      It is if the government is paying for at least half of it.

    • Anonymous

      Sounds like if you had your way,you would throw the sick,elderly and children out in the street. Shame on you.

  • Guest

    ….

    • Guest

      You have to ask for the waiver before you can know what is allowed and what is not.  Obama’s administration has already waivered many major companies when it comes to this new law.
      Why not the State?
      For that matter the Supreme Court may rule that the ACA itself is illegal.
      Then what?

      • The rule for in the ACA that prohibits dropping coverage, like the governor wants to do to the 19, 20 year olds, elderly, and mentally ill, is a reiteration of existing DHHS rules that govern the States accepting federal money. So even if the Courts strike down ObamaCare LePage’s proposed cuts are still illegal. If the state wants the money from the feds, they have to accept the rules. The State of Maine can self-fund it if they want. You think taxes are bad now, lets get rid of millions of dollars of federal  monies and see what happens.

        • Guest

          The reason taxes are bad is that people like you forget that the Federal Money comes out of my pocket too.
          Take away the Federal Money and we no longer need to abide by the Federal conditions that came with that money, thus no need to dish out our money on top of our money.

          • Wow you really think if we opt out, the feds will say “ok Maine, you don’t have to send tax dollars to us anymore?” No we will still pay Federal taxes and if we opt out that money will go to other states rather than us.

          • Guest

            Where in there did I say we wouldn’t have to pay Fed Taxes anymore?
            Yes the Federal Government gives money back but that money comes with a lot of strings and those strings cost the State money it does not have.  It’s like taking out a loan for a car you can not afford.  At some point you are going to have to stop spending the Federal money like it is unlimited.  It does have a limit and if you push to far, we the people are going to show you where that limit is.
            I do believe we must join together to pay for mutual support items.  I just do not agree that taking care of some kid who can take care of himself is not one of those items.

      • Anonymous

        And given the close past personal relationship between our Governor and Snowe, I wouldn’t be surprised to see that a temporary waiver had been granted.

      • Guest

        ……

        • Guest

          As I said, if the Federal Law is struck down by the SC then so are these silly rules that we can’t take away benefits we were never REQUIRED to provide.

    • Anonymous

      They think they are special.

    • Anonymous

      Apparently, Mainers don’t think they have to abide by Federal law either.  Last year we passed a medical marijuana law that’s illegal in the Fed’s eyes.  So have California and New Jersey.  The Feds have just chosen to look the other way on enforcing it, the same as they may on reductions in Medicaid.

    • Anonymous

      I’m sure Sec’y Sebelius will get a great laugh at what an ignorant man we have in charge up here.

      • Guest

        …..

  • “The ACA prevents states from dropping coverage before the act is fully implemented in 2014.”

    One of the biggest reasons Maine is where it is at with regard to medicaid spending is the federal government mandating it and in effect, spending the State of Maine’s tax dollars for them rather than leave it to us to determine how we spend our money.  I realize that a good portion of medicaid money comes from the federal government but Maine pays plenty, certainly more than we can afford.  Rather than help to solve our problem, Chellie decides that its best to come and tell the governor it is illegal to cut the spending and he and the legislature will need to figure something else out.  Chellie helped create the problem and now is here to tell us it it illegal to fix it – that’s what democrats do.

    • Anonymous

      Republicans give unnecessary income tax cuts to millionaires and then an unnecessary cut in estate taxes for millionaires, then cuts lifelines to the poor and the elderly. That’s what the GOP does. 

      • Really?  Well, the Bush tax cuts were set to expire and President Obama lobbied to keep them intact and as is.  Now they are the Obama tax cuts.  So that blows a big hole in your theory but nice try.

      • Anonymous

        True.  SOP for the GOP.

  • Anonymous

    Tell the Feds to go away…

  • Anonymous

    If this proves to be illegal and should LePage continue to pursue it and as such, “break the law”, does that mean our legislature could finally impeach him?

    • Anonymous

      i hope so.

    • The thing that stinks, is it is not “illegal” in the sense of committing a crime. It is “illegal” in the sense that it violates the Federal DHHS funding rules, so we would just risk losing  those Federal dollars for violating their rules. But that would be a detriment to the State so maybe that would be enough to hang him with.

      • Anonymous

         No

        What he will do is look back over the last 10 years and see all the extra programs added where the state kicks in x milion and gets y million in matching fed funds.  So all he and the commitee has to do is come up with 120 mil and if we loose some of the matching funds so be it.  What Pingree is saying is she wants Maine to not cut anything for fear of loosing the matching. I am sure Lepage told her dont count on that, I have to balance my budget and 120 million of the 1 billion + in DHHS money from the state will be cut!

  • Anonymous

    Gotta love an unfunded federal mandate. Chellie’s solution is to ask Walmart to pay for health insurance? That’s her big idea? Pathetic…typical congress…

    • Anonymous

      Walmart educates their employees how to get on taxpayer funded Medicaid rather than provide them with decent health care.

      Now THAT’S public service!

      • Anonymous

        Another reason to thank big business.  Perish the thought they’d provide health insurance that
        might affect their profit margin.

  • Anonymous

    They both agree that there is a financial crisis, but don’t agree on how to fix it.  Cuts will have to be made somewhere; that’s the cold, hard reality, and it will be very unpopular to make those decisions.  Since Pingree agrees that there is a serious financial problem for the state, her unwillingness to make concessions on health care show that she’s more worried about the political ramifications of making those tough decisions. 

    I don’t particularly care for LePage, mainly because of his demeanor, and the way he comes across.  I don’t agree with everything he does, but I do believe that he needs to make budget cuts.  The state can’t print money, and even if it could, all’s it would do is exacerbate the problem.  Something has to go, so if not Medicaid, then what?  I’m sure there are a lot of social welfare programs, environmental programs, and bureaucratic programs that could be axed.

    • Dumbb All Over

      Current state payroll and benefits=$766,000,000 x .15=$115,000,000
      Once LePage gets stymied by fixing this problem within the the confines of 1 state department (DHHS) he will look outside the agency. This translates into a 15% reduction in state workforce. You heard it here first. It’s a no-brainer. If the numbers are correct on he DHHS shortfall this becomes a reasonable option. I hope MTA and MSHA is not spared because my guess is that some agencies will not suffer the cuts- state police and MDEA for example.

  • I hope Lepage does nothing and just let the entire state of Maine system go broke and collapse in April

    That way EVERY SINGLE EBT CARD HOLDER will see a balence of $0.00 when they check their balance in April.  Maine Care cards will be as worthless as an expired coupon

    • Anonymous

      That is fine…only all the know it alls will blame Lepage.

      • Guest

        I don’t blame
        the penguin at all for not being the sharpest knife in the shed.

        You voted for
        the junk peddler from Marden’s to be the next governor, what did you expect?

        • Anonymous

          Proof that “You get what you pay for.”

          • Guest

            Yes that’s our governor, “damaged goods”!

        • Anonymous

          when you say “junk” you are so right. all there is in the Mardens Store in Brewer is junk. Was the “Mardens lady LePage’s idea? She is sooo stupid.

          • Anonymous

            Actually, she is a very well-educated actress.  The “stupid” part is only an act.  With LePage, it’s real.

      • Anonymous

        Yes, poor widdle paulie…it’s not like he manufactured these phony numbers.

    • Guest

      LOL…. wish all you want ; )  most likely you’re going to see the penguin tuck his penguin tail between his stubby penguin legs and do a 180 and find another way to close the budget gap.

    • Anonymous

      …or maybe as worthless as our current governor.

    • Anonymous

      People would still get Food Stamp money since it’s all federal funds from the Dept of Agriculture not Human Services. State only pays a portion of the admnistration.

      • Anonymous

        still have to have people who run the computers so the money for food stamps go on the EBT cards. If there is no state funds, there won’t be money to pay the employees.

  • Let Pingree give her salary and bonuses to the State of Maine, she sure doesn’t earn or deserve them.

  • Guest

    If Chellie can’t handle anything as simple as this, then it’s high time to replace her.

    • Anonymous

      “If Chellie can’t handle anything as simple as this, ( deliver on this more big government, exceptionalist, the rules don’t apply to me, political  favor
      that  Gov. LePage needs ) then it’s high time to replace her.

      Didn’t you have that opportunity to do so, at the same time than Gov. LePage was elected ? 

      What happen, then ? 

      Didn’t she  get a real majority of votes cast in her District, too ?

      • Anonymous

        A real majority!

      • Guest

        “…
         this more big government, exceptionalist, the rules don’t apply to me, political  favor ”

        The very essence of our affirmative action Kenyan Chicago mob president and his administration.

        All we’re asking is that she get her constituents the same deal with the rules that she got for herself with the House Ethics Committee and her plane rides on her not then husband’s private jet.

        • Anonymous

          You want a private jet ? 
          Buy one. 

          • Guest

            It would be a lot easier if I weren’t lugging so many MaineCare parasites on my back.

          • Anonymous

            Sheepdip ? 

  • Anonymous

    One of the things that happen in life is that sometimes what you say comes back and bites you right square in the butt. There are however somethings that you can do to lessen the impact of how painful it is when your butt gets bit. One would be to have as small a butt as possible, the larger the butt the bigger the target for the potential bitter . The other would be to make sure the person you shot your mouth off to in the first place is smaller or weaker then you. Bullies , at least the ones with any brains at all, do not pick on people bigger or more powerful then they are. It’s kind of Bullying 101 “Don’t tug on Superman’s cape” kind of thing. Always pick on the weak. Don’t pick on the most powerful kid in school or the one with the most friends. Most smart bullies pick up on those lessons early on in life. Stick to picking on the weak and unpopular kids and your career as a bully might go along way. However there are some bullies who just aren’t very bright, they are able to get by shooting off their mouths and to be honest some can make it all the way to the board room or a few can make it in elective office. The problem they encounter is that they think they are smarter then everyone else and stronger as well. They allow the cheers of an adoring crowd to go to their head making them think everyone loves them and that they are the most popular. Add that to the fact that they have been able to bully just about everyone they come in contact with over their life and you have the perfect storm. I like to think of it as the big fish in a small pond syndrome. The really big problem for bullies happens when they come up against someone either bigger, stronger or more popular then they are. We have a bully as Governor, he has been able to push people around all his life. Until now that is.   Mr. LePage there is a reason that the President of the United States is referred to as “The Most Powerful Man in the World”. You thought it was ever so cute when you told those fishermen how you were going to be “telling the President to go to hell” didn’t you? Well you are now about to find out what happens to bullies when they fail to follow Bullying 101. You shot off your over sized mouth to someone more powerful and now you are about to find out what happens when you have a  well publicized and extremely generous sized butt.

    • Anonymous

      Typical long liberal letter describing how demanding that people take responsibility for themselves is “bullying”. 
      How cruel that is. 

      • Anonymous

        “More than once, the governor has asked for the delegation’s assistance in getting these waivers,” she said. “The routes that he’s taking are just illegal and illegible under the law. I don’t see a route that he’s planning that will actually work to solve this problem.” 

        I guess you think doing illegal things is a good thing. Most reasonable people who are not blinded by a flawed ideology understand that you have to obey the law. 

        • Anonymous

          Insanity has been defined as doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.  Our Governor exemplifies this definition!

      • Anonymous

        Yes, 4mermainer should keep his comments brief.  We all know what a short attention span the Tea Partiers have…and that’s not even addressing the average IQ.  Step right up now with your favorite response,  “elitist.”

      • Anonymous

        what does this mean?

    • Anonymous

      Great post.

      • Anonymous

        Thank you.

  • Anonymous

    LePage want to cut $220 million from the budget of DHHS or else the schools will pay and be closed.  Well the white elephant in the room is the war on drugs.  The war sucks $220 million from DHHS. In Child Protective Services alone its $40,000 a year for a child in custody never mind the cost to the courts, cops, corrctions and lawyers. Most of the referrals to DHHS concern people involved with war on drugs.  Food stamps and medicaid for people involved in the war on drugs is an enormous cost.  The budget could be balanced with a surplus if the war on drugs was ended.  The schools could stay open without fear from the “time to turn the page” governor. Wake up people!

  • Anonymous

    Maybe if something were done about the moneybag insurance companies charging outrageous premiums like Anthem (“give us our rate increases or we’ll leave the state”) or the cost of health care in general perhaps people could afford to buy insurance through their employers.

    I wonder how the governor will conduct himself when he has his meeting with Ms. Sebelius .  Will he wave his arms, yell, and act like his typical belligerent self or will he conduct himself with some degree of professionalism?

    Oh, that’s right, Ms. Sebelius is wealthy.  She’ll be given the red carpet treatment.

    • jimbobhol

      What if all the Insurance companies left Maine?    What do you think would happen?

      • Anonymous

        If they left that would not be a good thing (obviously), but threatening to leave the state so that (already) exorbitant premiums go even higher is blackmail as far as I’m concerned.

        So let ask you THIS question:  What if insurance companies charged reasonable rates.  What do YOU think would happen?

        • Anonymous

          How do you get insurance companies to charge reasonable rates if the healthiest people who might lower the rates for all of us (young people) never enter the pool without some sort of mandate requiring them to buy insurance?  If the only ones in the pool are people who are old, sick, or have pre-existing conditions, it doesn’t take a genius to figure out that rates will be high.  That’s my limited understanding as to why MA required all citizens to buy insurance.  Let me ask you this–if you WEREN’T legally obligated to buy car insurance, would you take your chances and go without?

          • Anonymous

            No, I wouldn’t go without car insurance mandated or not.  But I certainly wouldn’t be willing to bend over for a policy either.

            So you think that young and healthy people would refuse to purchase health insurance for themselves and their families if it were affordable?  Really?

            Last time I checked, there are many people who want health insurance, but the premiums are so high, deductibles that are almost unreachable, and the coverage so limited they CAN’T AFFORD IT!  You don’t need to be a “genius” to figure out that scenario.

            In case you didn’t notice, in my original post I also commented about the ridiculous cost of health care.  I REALIZE that health care costs are outrageous and are a big factor in the cost of health insurance.  I wasn’t trying to blame just the health insurance companies, but I’d be more than willing to debate the issue further if you wish.
             

          • Anonymous

            I’m actually very interested in what real people (not politicians living in glass houses on the hill) have to say.  My gut feeling is that young people over 18 and without typical family obligations (spouse, kids, house, etc.) would indeed actually go without paying for health insurance.  They would take the chance that they would stay healthy, just like I (if given the opportunity) would delude myself into thinking I’m a good driver and would NEVER get in a car accident so I don’t need car insurance, because any accident I’d be involved in would obviously be the other guy’s fault.
            Now I’m a Republican and I definitely favor less government over more because any organization’s primary purpose eventually becomes self-preservation.  SO I cringe at the thought of single-payer government-run insurance plans.  
            On the other hand, I see that Massachusetts did something quite extraordinary and required their citizens to buy insurance.  All of ’em.  I’d like to know how that is playing out.
            I also know that now, under Obamacare, people can insure their young and irresponsible offspring up to 26, so those kids are in fact beginning to enter the pool of insureds, even if their parents are the ones paying for it.  I think that’s a good thing.  I’d like to hear how that will affect health insurance too.
            I do not post things to fight, but to learn.

          • Anonymous

            You know what?  I absolutely agree with you!  And as far as I’m concerned if a person were able to get health insurance at a reasonable cost but refused it,  they shouldn’t be able to go running to MaineCare and ask them to cover their bills if something happens to them.   But I digress, as the idea of reasonable health care costs for all is a remote fantasy (unfortunately).

            Like you, I’d also be interested in how Mass is getting along with mandated health insurance.  Is there anyone from Mass on here that can tell us?

      • Anonymous

        We don’t need insurance companies at all with a single payer health care system. Save many dollars as well.

        • Anonymous

          Yes the free loaders like that system!

          • Anonymous

            Everybody should like that system. better healthcare for everyone, and for less money being spent overall. But the crooked politicians wouldn’t get their kickbacks from the insurance and pharmaceutical companies, so it must be bad.

  • Guest

    I do not know why any government would take  issue with healthy adults having to provide healthcare for themselves. No one is proposing to cut the elderly, people with existing conditions, but just because you do not “want” to work does not qualify you for all the “entitlement programs” in the state.  

    • Guest

      • Anonymous

        explain that to the Gov

        • Guest

          ….

    • Anonymous

      I suggest you take a closer look at Mr LePage’s proposals for MaineCare. His proposals have direct affects on the elderly, handicapped and disabled. That is the biggest problem with the cuts he is proposing. The 60 million cut to the PNMI s affects mostly the elderly, handicapped and disabled whose incomes are below $ 10,900

  • Anonymous

    Don’t tax me, don’t tax thee, tax that man behind the tree. What a joke, as usual, Pingree takes delight in telling the Governor no, but comes up with no solutions. Get back on your boyfriend’s Gulfstream.

    • Anonymous

      Don’t tax me, don’t tax thee, tax the ones who drink the tea.

      • Anonymous

        You have a teamendously narrow mindless

        • Anonymous

          Lighten up!

      • Rather drink the tea than the kool aid.

  • Anonymous

    Hey pingree you are the problem! You dont care that we are broke, you dont care that we cant pay our bills, you just want to keep giving hand outs!  If we were using your millions I bet you would think differently. Does your boyfriend let you spend his money too? Is it Halloween again already?

    • Guest

      It is sad that comment come to this low level, its just that the Green shirt people don’t know any better:)

  • Anonymous

    “…what a tough problem he and the legislature has…”.  Well,  that says it all.  Not your problem too,  chellie?  What is it that you do again?

    • Anonymous

      HMMMMM…….Nothing?

    • Anonymous

      She and her daughter as I recall signed Maine up for matching welfare funds from the Feds, wasnt a program they didnt turn down.

       

    • Guest

      It is sad that comment come to this low level, its just that the Green shirt people don’t know any better:)

  • Guest

    the penguin better get to work on some new plans, he only has one month left!

  • This daft socialist is the worst of the worst in Washington. She needs to be run out of office before her and her other liberal nutjobs destroy us all. Just looking at this nags face makes my stomach turn, listening to her progressive ,socialist beliefs, empty it.

    • Guest

      It is sad that comment come to this low level, its just that the Green shirt people don’t know any better:)

  • Anonymous

    That is such a great picture of Pingree.  She seems to be saying
    OK all you neanderthal dummies,  I know he’s the Gov, but seriously, doesnt he know that we in Washington know better how to handle this,  I mean geez Paul, if you were just more enlightened and progressive you too could understand,  think, and believe more like me and my really intelligent and enlightened friends.  Now come on Paul, just start sipping this kool-aid that I brought in for you,  there there, I know it taste foul at first but soon you’ll learn to like it……”

    Stand firm Governor,   we are counting on you.  Lets gets some likes going on this

    • Anonymous

      Sign of the truly ignorant:  standing firm in the face of indisputable facts. 

      • Anonymous

        If you think Pingree is for the poor then you do not know where North Haven is or what a Gulfstream is.

      • Anonymous

        Gal

        He will cut 120 mil somewhere in DHHS budget, he may have to forgo matching funds, but rest assured, 120 mil will get wacked on the state side and when you subtract out the fed matching funds(which we should never have signed up for in the first place) it will probably be more.

        It is sad the Pingree is such a disgrace to the people of Maine.

        • Guest

          It is sad that comment come to this low level, its just that the Green shirt people don’t know any better:)

    • Guest

      three more years to go and we will have a clean Blaine Mansion again:)

  • Anonymous

    Our government can not be all things to all people  ! We can not save everybody and people are going to have to grab the bull by the horns and take care of themselves for a change . Yes we do need to ASSIST the elderly the people who are going through tough times but we have made a BIG mistake ! Once we started passing out benefits to everyone that receives them in a state that pays less than fair wages in alot of jobs with little to no benefits people wanted to stay on easy street for a while. You have to have more jobs with better pay before you will convince people that they can earn a decent living in Maine ! That will help cut the need for programs that the state cant afford !

  • Anonymous

    Am surprized there is no talk of impeachment due to malfeasance in office.

    • Anonymous

      Malfeasance: Improper and/or illegal acts by a public official which violate his/her duty to
      follow the law and act on behalf of the public good.

      • Anonymous

        every politician in office falls under that description.

      • Guest

        Oh, you mean like Poliquin the State Treasurer:)

    • Anonymous

      I agree, Pingree has to go!

      • Guest

        good comment Paul:)

    • Anonymous

      There is talk about impeachment Do a search for Impeach Paul LaPage and sign the patittion. 

    • Guest

      by whom:)

  • Anonymous

    Can anyone see that the War on Drugs is the largest welfare program in the state?  Doctor Ron Paul can see it.

    • Anonymous

      Yes  trillions of dollars have been spent on the war on drugs an it had not slowed it down a bit 

    • Anonymous

      Tax marjuana!! That will solve the budget problem real quick!!!

  • Anonymous

    I’m trying to imagine these two people in the same room!!!

    Could there be two more POLAR-OPPOSITE people in Maine?

    => One a hard-working, by-the-bootstraps Maine kid who bucked the Welfare system, worked hard and became a successful leader?

    => The other, a snarling know-it-all liberal, so contemptuous of The Little People that she flies a small jetliner around her District rather than being forced to mingle with the masses she claims to represent?

    => One who ran a campaign on so little money that his wife drove him around to appearances all over Maine in a Toyota…?

    => The other – who will only meet with invited groups of supporters (when she “has” to), with a Wall Street Billionaire companion-now-husband who funded her campaign with flim-flam “donations” through his secretaries, groundskeepers, cooks, and other employees – and who also funded the “independent expenditure” groups with millions of extra dollars to BUY Maine’s First District seat in Congress…

    And yeah, Chellie claimed she’d “help” Maine… then runs to the press and says that Governor LePage’s plans to lower our crippling Medicaid spending is illegal.

    Yeah, thanks a lot, Rochelle! YOU were a leader in the Maine Legislature who made all these promises to get yourself re-elected… and got the heck out before it was time to PAY for those promises!!

    • Anonymous

      Back when I was running a post release program for ex-offenders Chellie showed me what she was made of. She stopped unexpectedly one afternoon and spent several hours asking what she could do to help us stay open. No votes to capture or campaign funding to gain; just honest concern about fellow human beings that many would never bother with. She is an excellent example of “Don’t tell me, show me.”. Sorry to see her torn apart by those who have a different agenda. :(

    • Anonymous

      Oh sure,he “bucked” the welfare system.  I think you need to change that “b” to an “f.”

      • Anonymous

        Clean it up

      • Anonymous

        he had lots of people who helped him, such as Peter Snowe, Sen Snowe’s 1st husband.

    • Anonymous

      PinGready is a piece of work, your spot on!

    • Anonymous

      Not that I am a fan of Ms. Pingree’s but she isn’t the first one to come out in the press saying LePage’s plan is illegal. He said it himself. In fact he invited the feds to throw him in jail. 

      • Anonymous

        I wish they would throw him in jail.

    • Guest

      thank you Adrenianne for you comment, the Gov loves your comments:)

    • Anonymous

      You can’t deny that Governor LePage’s plans to lower our crippling Medicaid
      spending is illegal. she speaks the truth

  • Anonymous

    If the LePage administration believed that there was any possibility that they would get a waiver, they would have had the application in the pipeline long before this time.  I believe that it speaks volumes that they haven’t submitted an application.

  • Guest

    ….

    • Why do you always have to take it to the extreme? Just because I don’t want to pay for my neighbors new boat doesn’t mean I automatically want to put granny in a snowbank. You start from the premise that there are no cuts available at all. Ever. Never. Not ever. There is waste and fraud in every program. That is a fact. Lets find it and start there and see where it takes us.

      • Guest

  • Anonymous

    As a one-time business owner, can I say this?  Expecting business owners or company to underwrite  health insurance makes about as much sense as expecting the automobile manufacturers to underwrite drivers’ car insurance.  There must be a better way.  For all the gobbldeegook and arguments, can anyone tell me what’s happened in MA since they mandated that all citizens must have health insurance?  I would like to know!  All I know is that if small businesses really are the lifeblood of our communities, and they supply many jobs and opportunities for people to work and gain experience, it makes no sense to tie health insurance, as important as it is, to employment.  It is simply too expensive for small business owners to even afford it for themselves, so their employees won’t get it either!  THEN WHAT?

    • BJ Kitchin

      I don’t think your analogy is appropriate.  I understand philosophies differ.  Philosophies being, logic and values stringed together to guide behavior.  In your analogy you suggest that companies shouldn’t be responsible to underwrite/fund insurance for their products or the people who work to make them profitable.  I don’t think products and people are remotely the same.  However, I know some business owners who might disagree.

      It seems to me that as we have evolved we have gone from Kings taking all the fruits of their subjects labor and doing with it as they wish, to recognizing that Kings (among other things) have exploited the combined labor of their subjects for personal gain at the expense of the subjects. A new paradigm has evolved.  

      We all work together so that we can all (internal to the company and external to the company) benefit from our combined effort.  For me, that doesn’t mean different degrees of effort and skill are rewarded the same. It means, we all have fundamental needs as people (not things).  At a fundamental level we all need to have reasonable access to the healthcare system, the justice system, the education system etc.  We are not all entitled to white ponies for our children to ride in our back yard, 100k cars in our garage, and the ability to pay for anything our hearts desire.  That would seem to need to be earned.  Taking care of my heart problem or my aging wife’s Alzheimers  — needs to be earned? Ok, at what cost?

      I understand that to accomplish equitable access to the fundamentals, those with more then they need (In some cases more then any 1000 people would need) will need to see a different profit margin.  Perhaps value and profits need to be redefined then?

      • Anonymous

        Some businesses produce a tangible product–others provide an intangible service that requires the efforts of a person, but doesn’t produce an item you can put on a shelf and take home with you.  I struggle with whether or not I think a state can force me to buy health insurance.  Now the boat has long sailed about whether or not states can force me to buy automotive insurance.  I think we all agree states can require it.  The question is, if Maine didn’t force me to get car insurance, would I do without?  The answer is, yes I would.  And no matter how rich or poor you are in Maine, you can’t drive without insurance.  Fair enough.  And if I want to protect myself from you breaking the law, I can buy additional insurance for those who are underinsured or not insured (I think–perhaps someone out there can answer that?)

      • Anonymous

        So continue my thread–now we move onto health insurance.  And the traditional model here in the US,  unlike most other first world nations, is that it is linked to your job.  I assume originally it was a selling point to get the best quality worker to come work for you.  And of course, once women entered the workforce during WWII, and following the social upheaval of  50% of all marriages ending in divorce, we soon learned that model doesn’t work well.  Any person who has to pay COBRA payments will tell you how expensive those payments are.
        Hence my question:  how has this mandatory health insurance requirement in MA worked out?  No baloney–just the facts?  Can anybody answer that?

  • Anonymous

    One would think that Mrs Sussman would get her hubby,who is  one of those “wealthy” that doesn’t pay his “fair share”, and hides his income in the Virgin Islands to protect it, the kind of “rich” that posters here whine all about every day, to just give an extra million or two to help keep those poor people taken care of.

    • Anonymous

      Get them all to pay their fair share. Don’t just pick on him, The six [6] Sam Walton heirs have more wealth than 30% of the American people. Don’t forget them. Or the Kochs, or the Coors, you know, the people who fund the tea party and have most of the repubs bought. The ones who fund ALEC and the Heritage Foundation, the ones who have stolen our democracy. Don’t forget them.

      • Anonymous

        Lets not forget the billionaire Ted Turner, or the multi-millionaires likes Matt Damon.

      • Anonymous

        I always love how people chatter about the wealth “stealing our democracy”.

        The founding fathers didn’t create a democracy here in America, it was created as a Constitutional Republic. Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for supper, Mob rule.

  • Guest

    Well Chellie baby here’s an idea
    You Fed’s want to mandate find a way to pay for it.
    The Federal goverment mandating requirements for health care and then telling the states to find a way to pay for it is B/S

    • Anonymous

      Isn’t that always the way with the Feds, eh?  Sh** always runs downhill.

  •  The top 50% of income earners pay 100 % of all Federal income taxes while the top 1% pay 36% percent;  how about getting the bottom 50% to pay at least something?  Funny how I only crickets chirp whenever I ask that question.
     
     
                              

    • Anonymous

      Yes but the top 1% have more wealth than the bottom 90% What is fair? Huh?

    • Anonymous

      Your talking about roughly 150 million people. Apparently thinking that they could contribute even 5 dollars in Federal Income Tax per year is something that any “kind and decent” person would not even think of proposing. The crickets will chirp on and on!

  • Anonymous

    Cut taxes, outsource our jobs cut jobs here in the us and we will be all set everyone will be rich and filled with joy..

  • Anonymous

    Was this a meeting in which a US Representative went to talk with her States Governor to advise him on how to deal with an issue relating to the Federal Government?

    It appears that it quickly turned into a large press conference in which Pingree took the opportunity to say more or less say “The Republican Governor of this state is an evil bas–rd who wants kids and old people to die!” Why even have the meeting? Why not hold a Democrat Party voter registration rally instead?

  • Anonymous

    an article on msn:  So let’s not put all the blame on the governor he is trying to reign in expenses and all we do is blame him.  As anyone can see the problem is not just here in Maine but about half of all the states.  And they are all doing some of the same things making tough decissions that no one else wants to make.
    The big squeeze
    The Great Recession that started in 2007 triggered the biggest collapse of state revenues on record, according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, leaving dozens of states with budget shortfalls of hundreds of millions — or even billions — of dollars.Last year, 10 states had to close budget shortfalls of at least 27%, requiring significant cuts in government programs and services to bring their budgets into balance. (Every state except Vermont requires by law that it balance its budget.)Budget crunches compelled 29 states to cut services benefiting the disabled and elderly last year, while 34 states forced schools to do more with less. All but six states pared positions, benefits or wages of government employees.The bursting of the housing bubble gets the lion’s share of the blame. Property-tax revenues skied along with home values during the housing boom, and most state legislatures budgeted accordingly. When the bubble burst, it blew holes in state budgets across the nation.The states with the smallest economic gains in the boom years generally experienced the most acute budget shortfalls.Click ahead in this slide show (published Jan. 30) for a look at the 10 states that had the largest budget shortfalls in 2011

    • Anonymous

      It is called the BUSH DEPRESSION.

      • Bush recession. Obama depression. $15 trillion in debt and rising fast. If you are in a hole stop digging and start golfing. Barry got it half right.

  • Anonymous

    Governor and Pengree have discussion.  She is part of the problem with the Obamacare bill.

  • Anonymous

    Just another daily attack on our Governor.

    • Anonymous

      sounds like tit for tat

    • You are correct! The attack is with merit and justified. I applaud your observation skills.

  • Anonymous

    I wonder what poor group of Mainers will the Penguin bully and threaten now.

    • Not many left at last count. How about angry bloated over the hill white males. Don’t touch their rights. They are superior to all them dang do-nothingers on another planet up north.

  • Anonymous

    What did the poor ever do before all of these Gov. programs? My grandparents were poor, never stopped them from living happy, productive and healthy lives. They would’nt take a handout anyway, they had  things called pride, ehtics and morals. 

    • Anonymous

      and they traded a couple of chickens and a pig for their medical care — want to try that today?

      • Anonymous

        If I thought pork would work, I’d get some from the Blaine House.

      • Anonymous

        I know some midwives who are happy to accept pork and chicken for payment of services…

    • I went to school in the winter without shoes. And I Loved It. 

    • Guest

      ….

  • Anonymous

    Goethe can get away with it.  Penguin Paul didn’t have any luck telling the President to” kiss my ass”.  Was that supposed to be magic?

  • jim

    Everyone can agrue/disagree etc………………..no one offers solutions.

  • Anonymous

    DHHS…..corrupt and mismanaged for years.

    • Guest

      You mean it all started during the time Gov. McKernan was in office – i forgot – you are right – that is where all this mess started.

  • I certainly hope LePage wakes up and stops drinking the Right wing kool aid be fore 99% of Mainers are living on the streets without any way to improve their condition. However I do not see that happening. I hope that the grassroots movements are working on a recall!

  • Anonymous

    Gov. LePage is going to have a hissy fit if he doesn’t get his waiver or his way. He’s made the DHHS cuts a cornerstone of his promise to run the state like it was a business. I suspect that’s one reason why he closed one eye and blinked the other when people begged him to consider all the hardship he’ll cause. The funny thing about telling people it’s time to tighten their belts is that the guy doing the tightening isn’t the one being squeezed.

  • Anonymous

    if u own a buisness and employ alot of of staff then that company should be made to carry a reasonable health coverage,i pay 76.00 a weak for health care coverage it’s not easy but it’s kinda like a place to live u don’t pay rent then u have no place to live(cut some of the narcotic’s off medicade program  u don’t supply them then they can’t get hooked on em or sell em. same with crazy meds ~quit smoking stuff meth clinic’s ect…….the pot clinic’s well don’t need em unneeded er trips make the person pay the bill if it’s not an emergentcy,woman getting knocked up while on welfare make them pay for the cost of birth and everything that comes with it.why should we pay for them to sit and putt all day having kids they can’t afford or raise……

  • Anonymous

    Where are Collins and Snowe telling him not to do it?

  • Anonymous

    Well, we’ll just tell them to “Kiss My Butt”!

  • Anonymous

    Congratulations Rep Spingree, we believe you.  LOL!  Go LePage!!

  • Anonymous

    Pingreed is a joke. Millionair. With a daughter we will be dealing with again. In it all for themsevles. Remember this north en  maine. She one of those southners that is going to help all the poor people in the north. She wants a Park to. Watch her.

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    If Pingree really cared about the people in this state, she would work to help get the state the needed waiver. Instead, her solution if for LePage to tell Walmart to offer a health plan? Does anybody even know how many people Walmart employs in Maine?

  • The government wastes billions a year on leasing containers for war or whatever. The containers cost 3200.00 apiece If they fail to return a container on time, they can buy it for $7400.00 after having paid to lease it every day of the year. Probably by the time this is said and done thse containers cost the US  (God knows) $50,000.00 or better. VERY POOR Goverment accountability everywheres is the US’s problem. Just like all the money we just give away and never even check back on where it went. i know ths is the wrong place to post this, but some of this waste has led to our problems here.

  • Remember Romney’s religion it may all be legal as far as deduction we actually don’t know hw many wives he is claiming in the background.

  • Anonymous

    Million dollar question ? Did Pingree give the Gov the tel # ?

    If yes, the Gov should call ASAP and then we’ll have the rest of the story……..

  • Okay, LePage has been told by the Fed’s HSS that his plan isin’t gonna work. Now he’s told by his own State’s Congressman, who sits on the House HHS Committee, that his plan isin’s going to work. At what point does LePage begin to get the message ? And I just can’t wait to see the gunfight over his threat to close EVERY SCHOOL IN MAINE on May 1 if he doesn’t get his way. Then he’s jepoardizing EVERY FED PAYMENT to Maine, not just the HHS portion. That mean’s Education, USDA Grant’s, DHS Public Safety Grant’s, US Forest Service firefighting grant’s, the whole lot of them. And people wonder why Maine is considered so backward. This type of nonsense is a prime example of why any reasonable, much less Venture or Angel Investor. business organization takes one look at Maine’s political structure and history and says ‘No thank’s. I’m outta’ here’ when they see a collective circus believing that motion, not actual perfromance, is what drives Maine’s business and Government. Nov 12 is coming people. Tick tock, tick tock.

  • Anonymous

    Some people (like LePage) have to be hit over the head with a two by four before valid (and legal) advice sinks in.  Twice …

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