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  • Anonymous

    Way to make a felon out of yourself in 1 stupid step.

    • Guest

      I agree!..I was just saying that to my wife yesterday morning when I read the original news cast of them being stolen.  Where are the minds?  I am just amazed at the criminals cold brass stupidity now a days.

  • Anonymous

    cops look stupid laying that out on a table like its bounty

    • poormaniac

      I think they look happy to have solved the crime. I’ll bet the gun owner is happy too ! Makes Brisco a fool also.

    • Anonymous

      I wonder if the owner has a paid tax-stamp for that AOW weapon in the front?  It’s a Kel Tec PLR-16, which is a .223 “pistol”, but it has a forward vertical grip attached which is illegal without registration.  A lot of people with those types of guns put those grips on without even thinking about it, but it’s a felony without registering.  I bet the police don’t even ask him. If he has no stamp for it, then I would just say it wasn’t there before and blame the thief for adding it.

    • Anonymous

      How odd! Criticism of the police but no nasty words for the thief. You are one weird dude.

  • Anonymous

    Twenty two guns, a chainsaw, bucket o’ change,  a handle of Captains, two s**t  eatin’ grins. Wahoo officers, you’re goin’ to Disneyworld!!!

    • Ya mrnatural im sure that brings the value of the recovered merchandise to about 5 times of what your worth..

  • Joe

    BDN
    “Initially, police said two dozenguns were stolen.”

    “dozenguns” German for sleepy guns I think?

  • Anonymous

    Awesome job guys. Good work. The article lacks information on whether a warrant was first obtained before entering the house. Even if consent was given to search the house for the other remaining items, I would hope that the time was taken to get the warrant.. The chain saw certainly gave you enough probable cause to swear one out. AGain great work and lets hope that the above was done or the lawyer is gonna have a field day. These two officers very well could have just prevented further crimes being prevented not only in this area but other areas where the guns would have been sold in Canada or other high crime areas. Well done and a citations in thier personel jacket is warranted.

  • Anonymous

    I live near where the guns were stolen. If he would have visited me Thursday night, I would have been calling these same officers to clean him off my kitchen floor….
     
      I say good job, & speedy recovery/ arrest.  Thanks guys!

  • Anonymous

    Hope the owner has a tax stamp from the ATF for the pistol on the front row bottom left. Pistols are not allowed to have foregrips attached without an Any Other Weapon tax stamp and doing to without is the illegal manufacture of an AOW. Probably should check with the ATF on that one.

    • Guest

      GOOD one!!..i didnt notice that…you are correct sir!!  am aware of the law but am wondering what the barrel length has to be, to be a rifle..is it 16 inches, or  needs a butt stock and 16 inches of barrel??

      • Anonymous

        If it had/has a stock it would be a short barreled rifle requiring the same tax stamp with a different title (sbr compared to aow) but if it has a 16″ barrel or greater and a 26″ overall length or greater and came from the factory with no stock then it is simply a “firearm” and not a pistol, rifle, aow, or shotgun and would be allowed to have a fore grip on it. 

        A firearm configured from the factory with a stock, barrel over 16″ (or 18″ for a shotgun) and over all length greater than 26″ can never be reduced in size without a tax stamp. This rule is the “once a rifle always a rifle” rule. If this firearm has a barrel length under 16″ and is a “pistol” from the factory it can be made into a “short barreled rifle” via tax stamp and the addition of a stock is permitted but it can never be made back into a pistol as it became a rifle. In order for it to be a pistol and have a vertical foregrip it needs an AOW tax stamp.

        • Anonymous

          It’s been awhile but it was my understanding that you can purchase such items from the store with barrels under 16″ but they’re classified as pistols, I.E. the AR pistol.  It had something to do with not having a butt stock or perhaps other additions?  I can’t remember all the rules and regulations anymore so I could be wrong.

          • Anonymous

            The issue is with attaching a vertical foregrip to a pistol. This makes a pistol into an Any Other Weapon. Manufacturing an AOW requires a tax stamp from the ATF just the same as making a short barreled rifle or short barreled shotgun. By not doing so is a violation of the Gun Control Act and subject to many years in federal prison.

          • Anonymous

            Gotcha.  Thanks for clearing that up and for providing the info.  :)

    • yea good one. make a criminal out of the victim and police can get double promotions and there will be one more American unable to defend himself. way to go

      • Anonymous

        Pointing out a federal offense punishable by 5-10 years in prison is not making a criminal out of a victim. The person made themselves into a criminal by violating federal law.

        • Blah blah blah. Learn some history and leave the cops job to them.  I bet you got no friends… who would want some rat as one. Did you learn nothing in the military? Guess not

          • Anonymous

            Why does the thief deserve 10 years in prison but the victim who may be guilty of a federal crime punishable by as much time in prison deserve a free pass? The law is the law, whether or not I agree with the ATF or wish that part of federal law was different doesn’t change the fact that it is strictly prohibited by law to attach a vertical foregrip to a pistol without submitting appropriate paper work and money for a tax stamp from the ATF. I have to for my short barreled rifles, why shouldn’t someone else have to abide by the same laws?

          • its not your place. you smokin that cigar carries a higher penalty. you want to be a detective go be one, we need good ones. 

          • Anonymous

            Considering there is no way to verify that the cigar I bought on a US military installation was in fact a product of Cuba and there is a way to verify someone violating federal gun laws I would say that you are arguing apples and oranges.

          • I know but its fun huh

          • by the way thank you for defending our country

          • Anonymous

            You’re crazy man, but I like the cut of your jib

          • Anonymous

            I am glad the officers recovered the stolen goods in a timely manner. I think anyone who steals deserves to be dealt with to the full extent of the law. Speaking of laws, I like the part about” Caton could see the serial numbers from the outside of the truck,
            through a rear window, and they matched the serial numbers of the stolen
            chain saw, White said.” Any defense lawyer worth his salt would have fun with that one.  I own three chainsaws (albeit only one brand) and the serial numbers are very small and hard to read when holding them in my hand.When making an arrest in order to ensure the perpetrator is dealt with properly the investigatory process should be clean as a whistle.And I agree, if the victim is in violation of the laws, they also should be dealt with. Oftentimes the victims of one crime are charged with an associated crime. Ever hear of drug dealers being rubbed? Again, I hate thieves and kudos to the Detective and Corporal. I  am just making an observation that may be a weakness in their case. I hope they took copious notes and photographs demonstrating their “X-Ray vision”.

          • Anonymous

            I don’t care what somebody else puts on their gun, or what they have for  a gun but I am sure glad that is not mine sitting on that table.

            I don’t like alot of the ATF rules either, many make little or no sense, but if one is going to own firearms one has to play by those rules.

            You speak the truth re the front pistol grip. And, as I said above, I am glad that is not mine laid out in  a very public display.  10 yrs in a federal pen is a long time.

          • Anonymous

            This is pretty much exactly how I feel. I don’t care what someone does behind closed doors, thats on them. But when it is (nearly) front page news you have to accept the consequences of your actions.

        • Hope you were in Cuba smoking that cigar because theyre illegal here

          • Anonymous

            lol you can use google, good for you

        • Not sure if you realize there is a Fed trade embargo that says Americans cannot smoke Cubans here or abroad… Uhoh better contact the state dept

          • Anonymous

            Should I be concerned that the FBI is going to be knocking on my door here in South America. Im an American and I tell you what not only do I smoke those cigars from time to time but I also chew coca leaf and drink coca tea!

        • Cuban Assets Control Regulations, 31 C.F.R. Part 515, (Revised September 30, 2004) are administered and enforced by the Office of Foreign Assets Control. Criminal penalties for violation of the Regulations can go as high as $1 million for corporations, and $250,000 for individuals plus up to 10 years in prison. In addition, civil penalties of up to $65,000 per violation can be imposed by OFAC.

        • How about smokin those tires in your Mach1 on public road huh? 

        • supporting a communist country… how un-American. You should be stripped of your rank

      • Anonymous

        Unable to defend himself from what???? The French Foreign Legion!

        • the next person that tries to rob him ??? get out of my coutry

          • or country whatever

          • Anonymous

            Hmmm get out of your country…..holy a little radical much……….just because a person has a difference of opinion…..sheesh……Last time I checked I was still a citizen! Ill have to check to make sure? This country is based on difference of opinion. I like your agenda though! haha!

      • Anonymous

        Just pretend your turning in a welfare cheat, real or imagined, that is something  you can probably relate to.

    • Anonymous

      Funny, that was the first thing that caught my eye.  My only question is, what is the overall length of the gun in question?  If it’s over 26″ it is not a pistol, but considered a “Firearm”, and thus no tax stamp needed.(ck out Franklin’s XO-26)  I will say it does look to be well less than 26″.  Obviously Mr. 
      Briscoe added the front pistol grip after stealing it.

      • Anonymous

        Yeah I got into that a few posts down. The firearm in question looks under 26″ especially compared to the rifles above it. I would also find it hard to believe that a tax stamp would be purchased for that keltec when the guy owns several ARs and Saigas that would make much better use of the $200 tax stamps available.

        • Anonymous

          I found your other post.  It doesn’t need to have a 16″ barrel;  just no stock and over 26″ in length.  The Franklin only has an 11.5″bbl and the old  Thompson A5 had an approx 13-14″bbl.  Just sayin. Also, on a side note, the BATFE has recently said it was OK to put a MagPul AFG on the front of a pistol.  That seems the way to go w/ a Pistol w/o the extra 200 clams.

          It would actually be nice if all this crap was straight forward and easy to understand by the common folks and not have the BATFE contradict(re-interpret) themselves from year to year.

          • Anonymous

            Deep down I knew it didn’t need to have both a 26″ OAL and 16″ barrel without a stock but I guess I had a brain fart. 

            It certainly would be nice to have an overhaul of these laws to make them more clear and concise. It is funny that the allowable weapons we can have in the US is quite the variety but Canada and England, two very restrictive countries, have lax laws regarding barrel lengths (Canada) and suppressor use (It is borderline mandatory is most of Europe as it is more sporting, polite, and prolongs hearing among sportsman) but here in America we restrict these things.

        •  If it is made without a stock it is a handgun. If it is made with a stock and has a barrel 16″or more it is a rifle. You can have a any length barrel on a handgun but you can not have anything shorter then 16 ” on a rifle. If the firearm has a barrel length of LESS then 16 inches OR a overall length of LESS then 26 then it is a NFA item and much have a stamp( this only applies to rifles and not shotguns ). If the Franklin in question is the franklin armory ar15 then your correct as for NOW they are in limbo but I would not buy one. There is also a guy selling mossberg shotguns with a 17 inch barrel with a letter from the ATF as well however the ATF has a way of changing there minds. And this is a new try at the law and until it is well backed I would not try it. As for the thompson if it is a original one IE a C&R then the NFA does not apply to them.

          Also IF it was registered as a NFA item it would be a AOW if done by a sot and would only be a 5 dollar stamp not 200. If you go the form one route and do it yourself then it is 200 bucks.

    • Obviously the guy who stole the guns put it on there. I do have to say I find it odd that they are putting recovered stolen property on display. If the thief had stolen anything else there would not be pictures of HIS/ HER property in the paper or on the internet. 

  • Anonymous

    i would like to thank the cops that solved this crime outstanding job think you guys could come to washington county and find the missing guns from the evidence locker that mystersly disapeared i wish you would thanks again

    • Sounds good to me….Smith never did tell us what happened to the things..

      • Anonymous

        Actually in his defense, he did try but the A.G. office would not look into it. I am not a fan of Smith but he did try to figure it out…just never did

  • Guest

    Congrats on the “bust”!  It could have turned out much worse.

  • Guest

    well at least the guy had a bucket with the “Patriots” on it….did he know who was going to win the super bowl?

  • Yoho Yoho…22 guns and a bottle of rum.

    Actually, aside from that being a large number of guns to go missing, it is also a high dollar value.  Probably in the 10-15K range.  

    Good for the cops.

  • Was this the US Justice Dept getting ready to send more guns to Mexico??????

  • Anonymous

    There are 2.5 million people locked up in America’s prisons. If you study the general prison populace, you will see that the greatest number of the prisoners are either born short, brought up short, or they are victims of drug use. Chances are that Brisco is one of whom I speak. Any rational thinking, intelligent person would not commit a crime knowing there is about a 98% chance that he/she will be caught. As a former criminal justice student, I truly wish that everyone had my knowledge. If that were the case, the crime rate would plummet. We almost always know who committed the crime. It’s just a matter of gathering the evidence to prove it in a court of law. Hey, potential criminals. Wake up and read what I wrote.

    • What’s your point, criminals should be more discriminating when choosing their crimes? They should choose those with greater likelihood of success? We need these people to commit stupid crims to catch them sooner and in a  less costly manner. 

    • Anonymous

      Aw, you’re so smart…

  • Anonymous

    This is a fabulous result. Worth every penny of the police budget.  Righteous bust, great work.
    Somebody please explain who needs this kind of arsenal lying about the house. I seriously doubt there is any justification for having such a stockpile, also is it legal to possess these obviously automatic weapons? Is the owners favorite movie “Tremors”? Aside from that; the owner should be in for some kind of penalty for leaving this frightening weaponry unsecured. If this dirtbag thief danced away with the whole kit and kaboodle please don’t tell me it was secured.

    • Obviously automatic weapons? Your sense for the obvious is clearly impaired. Nearly every manufacturer of military style firearms makes a civilian semi-auto version, you’d have to look closely at the fire controls to tell the difference. Also, Americans have the  right o own such a collection legally with no requisite justification. If the owner is a law abiding citizen with no criminal history and the financial resources to won such firearms in such quantities, that is his/her right. There are no rules/laws requiring  a specific level of security for any property one might own, let’s try and remember who the criminals are. 

      • Anonymous

        Dear Bright
        I read with interest your statement”There are no rules/laws requiring a specific level of security for any property one might own”  One could infer from your statement that the reason this robbery/burglary took place was because the homeowner was not in possession of enough firearms to provide a n adequate level of security to keep thieves out of his home.  Maybe  more guns are the answer if your robust and fervid pro gun logic holds true.  But in any event, even in Jay, if you choose to live  a militia fantasy, you should secure your litttle loved ones.   Just a few thoughts from one whose “sense of the obvious is clearly impaired.”

    • Anonymous

      Your ignorance is telling of your political affiliation.  Who are you to judge how many guns anyone may own?  Also your statement “Obviously automatic weapons” is way off.  How can you tell these are automatic weapons by a small picture on the internet.  YOU CAN’T.  If they are full automatic, how do you know that the owner does not have a Federal permit to own them.  You are advocating a penalty for someone who IS the VICTEM OF A CRIME?  You and people who think this way are far more scary than a private individual who legally owns guns. Your statement IS part of what is wrong with this Once Great Nation.

    • Anonymous

      Yes he’s does have ‘justification’ for having such a stockpile.  It’s called the Second Amendment to the Constitution.  It’s the same Constitution that gives you the right to express an opinion about a topic that you are clearly misinformed about.  You say they are ‘obviously automatic’.  I’m wondering where you came to that conclusion.  Just because of their appearance?  Do you judge everything from appearance?  Many people have firearms like these and believe it or not, with a 5 round magazine they’re legal to hunt with.  Just because you don’t like or understand something doesn’t mean it’s wrong.  As for the owner facing a penalty.  May be best to hold off on that until you have the facts of the case.  Then again, as you’ve already proven, you’d much rather just jump to conclusions without all the information.  

      • Anonymous

        I think possessing such a st ache of weaponry is ludicrous in a modern society.  It certainly would “appear” somebody walked off with this mans primary means of defense from whatever demons race around between his ears. That would seem to be an established “fact.”  That the perpetrator accomplished all this  certainly establishes the “fact” that WWIII waiting to happen in Jay wasn’t secured; as was this gun bunny’s responsibility.  I have enough information to reach the conclusion that heavily armed fantasies are seldom conducive to any good result.

  • Anonymous

    Awwww… he was just borrowing them for target shooting… Give the poor jerk a break!

  • Anonymous

    although he needed to be caught … again i think the  cop lied .. it would be interesting to see this cop read the numbers on my chainsaw thru a truck window i own 6 saws of different makes and i do not think i could read any of the numbers thru a truck window some are not visible to the eye on the bench

  • Anonymous

    I wish I had a collection like that.  Someday.

  • Anonymous

    They don’t happen to say who owns all these guns.  I presume all these guns are registered.  I, personally, don’t understand why anyone needs this many guns.  I find it strange.

    • Anonymous

      I find you strange for finding it strange.  What is wrong?  Would you care if these were classical paintings?  If it legal, why question it.  

  • Guest

    Let’s give credit where credit is due. For small town cops,to have solved this in  hours indicates they have a good handle on the characters in their town. I am  a bit skeptical about  the serial numbers on the chainsaw being read from outside the truck  and a defense attorney might shoot the entire case based on that one comment. Hope good police work doesn’t get trashed  because of probable cause/bad judgement.

  • Guest

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  • nopesorrybdn

    Appears to be shrubmaster and dpms junk, I also like the unregistered AOW with the bb gun laser sight. Fake ACOGs abound, I’d like to see the owner invest in  a proper safe. 

    • Anonymous

      So all Bushmasters and DPMS guns are “junk”?  Those certainly are not the cheapest guns of their type, and when properly cared for and maintained they work perfectly fine.  What do you shoot Mr Elitist – nothing but Kimbers, Colts, Barretts and Sakos I suppose?? 

      • nopesorrybdn

        Actually yes, quite frankly when a colt 6920 is less than a 1000 bucks then you would have to be stupid to buy a rifle from a corner cutting company like the ones listed. I personally like Colt but BCM will get you a proper gun for around the same price. If you really want a quality ar15 go with Noveske or Knights.
           I would avoid Kimber as they are on the junk list nowadays as well, sig is on their way down too. So for pistols I’d say stick with glock, HK, Smith, or something from a good 1911 maker like colt or wilson.

  • Anonymous

    good job guys..at leaset this scum doesnt have them any more

  • Anonymous

    These Officers are amazing; I can not read the serial numbers on my chain saw holding it in my hand.     lol

  • Guest

    Questions not answered: did Brisco  and property owner know each other?    How did Brisco know about the items he stole and where they were located in the house?  Why weren’t the firearms  secured  to avoid such a crime? ? Was this a setup to get Brisco for other crimes? Did police suspect the person who had the guns think some were illegal , but did not have probable cause for a search warant?  How was the case solved so quickly?

  • Guest

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  • Anonymous

    Funny, most of the guns on the table are used for WAR not hunting. How many clips of ammo does one need to kill a deer in Maine now.

    • Anonymous

      Hunting is not mentioned in the 2nd amendment.  When did you arrive in the US?

    • Anonymous

      Interesting, what country issues any of those weapons in their military?  Not the U.S.  I would guess that in some areas of the world any working firearm would/could be used.

    • Anonymous

      Every one of those rifles seem to be configured for hunting. The most questionable one even has a low capacity magazine in it for hunting. The two Saiga firearms, one appears to be a 12ga and the other a rifle, are both imported as sporting rifles and shotguns and are designed specifically for hunting. There are actually no WAR guns there. Funny how looks can be deceiving and funnier how the most powerful weapons on that table are the innocent looking hunting rifles on the right side of the table, not the scary looking intermediate caliber rifles on the left.

  • Anonymous

    What was planning to use them for – holy cow.

    I have three guns and that’s all I need to hunt anything in the State of Maine.

    yessah

    • Anonymous

      Great thing about America is that no one needs to justify why they ‘need’ something. If someone wants to own 100 cars or 100 guns they can. That is called Freedom and real Americans respect that.

  • You people [gun owners] who own guns have a false sense of security.

    You ‘think’ by  owning guns, criminals are going to avoid your residence …WRONG.    Look at ALL the guns the owner had and  his/her home was still targetd by a criminal.   Criminals are not afraid of breaking into your home.  In my criminologist opinion, criminals may even favor breaking into gun owner homes versus homes without guns.

  • Anonymous

    Is that really a bucket of coins in that picture?
    Looks like a bucket o’ donuts to me…

  • Guest

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  • Anonymous

    !111

  • Anonymous

    even a squirl

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