Comments for: Fact-checking LePage’s State of the State

Posted Jan. 25, 2012, at 12:59 p.m.
Last modified Jan. 25, 2012, at 3:27 p.m.

AUGUSTA | Gov. Paul LePage delivered a straight-forward State of the State address on Tuesday that hit on many of his priorities — lowering energy costs, reducing welfare benefits and improving education. Republicans in the Legislature praised the governor for his focus on improving Maine’s economic picture. Even Democrats …

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  • Anonymous

    Nice job of sifting the wheat from the chaff, Eric!

    • LOL – Eric Russell fact checking a republican or conservative position is like :    … … … … 

      You fill in the blanks !

      like the Dos Equis man is mortal !

  • Guest

    Fact- LePage is still a lot better than Baldacci or King….!

    • Anonymous

      That’s your opinion.  I don’t think he’s any better.    I don’t recall any of their Department heads writing scathing editorials on the inner workings of other independent government agency’s.   I don’t recall them ever upsetting Forbes magazine, or explaining how a state legislator’s involvement with a particular demonstration was BS to a tenured state office reporter?   How smart was that?   

      I wonder why you consistently compare him to former governors? It’s been a year now, he has completed 1/4 of his term, let’s compare instead on what he campaigned on and what he had done to even begin reaching those promises.

      It gives an indication as to what he is really like.  His own party is scared of him,  why do you think his speech was so fluffy.   Time to put actions where words are.

      “According to Me. Revenue Services a household whose income is $20,000 per year will see their taxes drop about $17. For the top 1% of all Maine household earners, the average savings would be about $2,800 per year. ”

      Guess he left that little fact out of the spot light. Where’s the middle class tax break?

      • Guest

        Its my opinion, and one of many others as well.
        Governor LePage has undone a lot of harm Baldacci & King have created, and is not afriad of telling it like it is.

        Re-Elect LePage…!

        • Anonymous

          38% and shrinking.     Ole Jekyll and Hyde will reveal his true self,     I’ll wager on it.    Let him run in Florida,  he can take his “personal papers” with him.   And pay his own way down.

          • Anonymous

            38%  and shrinking? Have you looked at the poll numbers on who liked last nights speech? Have you been looking at the likes lately? Maybe you should before you take many bets. You also know these are coming from a biased paper don’t you?

          • Anonymous

            poll numbers are like a sale at walmart,   roll back.   If you design your administration, or political views on poll numbers then you may as well try to fix a busted head gasket with a thermostat.  

            Where are the middle class tax cuts? His thinking is that; politically, I have to coddle to the 1%, and there’s no way around those working mainers, I’ve gotta give them $17. But somebody has to pay the bills, guess who? The property owners, workers, mom and dad’s with two jobs, kids in school who make more a median income.

            The Bangor Daily is no more biased then anyother publication, you just want it so.    Much of their information comes from various sources, especially the State House. They aren’t stupid, and it’s ridiculous to accuse them of being slanted, they wouldn’t sell papers nor would we be commenting.

            I’ll give you a reason why you are unreasonable saying that this publication is skewed. How reasonable is a person, such as you, who does not agree with what they write, responding on comments of those that somewhat agree with them? It’s not reasonable.

          • Anonymous

            Well for starters, the poll I was referring to is the actual voting on this site. The middle class tax cuts are the same for everyone starting at $20,000, already stated many times.Last I knew this is still America, land of opportunity, everyone has a chance to succeed. With your way of thinking if they do and prosper, raise their taxes, make them pay for the ones who didn’t give a rats behind. As for the BDN being biased, well let’s just see who their backing goes to in the next election, wanna make a little wager?

          • Anonymous

            I would LOVE to make a little wager!    Why don’t we ante up?       Let’s do a side bet on the majority of the Legislature?         So you are going to bet on a governor getting re-elected with maybe a majority? In a non-presidential election year, and his potential for chaos? I’m in! And the poll referred to his speech, not his administration.

            I would be interested on how many people making $20,000 a year consider themselves middle class.

          • Anonymous

            You can’t possible be that thickheaded! The bet was who the BDN endorses in the next election. I’ve seen some twist facts, but come on. What does it matter where the middle class  think they are in the tax bracket? One more time, starting at$20,000 everybody pays the same tax rate. Under that amount, most likely they would pay nothing, nada, o.I’m willing to wager that you can twist that around too!

          • Anonymous

            $20 thousand and everyone pays the same tax rate?   OMG!!!   Now, who saves more?  If you are saying that $17 dollars is the same as it is to $2800 dollars to a higher income bracket,  you are sadly mistaken.   One saves a months rent and heat, and the other buys hamburg and maybe some onions for chop suey. One gets to buy “neat christmas gifts” and one gets to buy a friggin tree, maybe.

            I’m not twisting anything around……..I’m confident on my bet.         Are you?

          • Anonymous

            OK, let’s look at it this way. One pays in $2800, one who owes $17 has 1 or more kids pays nothing and gets a return plus a sizeable federal return on the earned income credit. I know there’s kids that have everything handed to them, but there’s also young people that work hard to make something of their lives, should we punish them for being successful. I don’t think so. You want kids that sacrificed and did all the work to pay for the ones that settled for less. Remember in America everyone has the same chance.  As for the bet, I can’t even get it thru your head what the original wager was about, so I give up on that!

          • Anonymous

            Don’t tell me about america.    You are stereotyping working family’s,   you have no idea how many kids these family’s have, nor do you care.   What you care about is your 1% and whether or not they get their tax break or not.

            Who are you trying to kid?    Do you honestly think, for just one minute that $17 to a low income family means the same thing as $2800 to a high income family.   If you can equate that let me know.   The low income family is struggling,  the other is not.    

            Do you want to bet or what?         

          • jimbobhol

            Its not yor money?

          • Anonymous

            Are you confinent that the tax break at $20,000 of taxable income  is $17.   Someone should fact check BDN. The cuts start at the first dollar of taxable income.  The exemption amount is increasing to equal federal.  That is an additional $950 per exemption that will not be taxed.  The 2% bracket becomes nontaxable for anonther $5,000 that will not be taxed.  The $5000 was taxed at 2% and the $950 at 4.5% for a cut of $143.  The next $4,000 was taxed at 4.5% and will be taxed at 6.5% for an $80 increase.  The next $10,000 was taxed at 7% and will be taxed at 6,5% for a cut of $50. That is a cut of $113 at a taxable income of $20,000 for a single person.  Every dollar of income above that is cut .55%.   

          • Anonymous

            No,…..that’s not what the bet was.        Read.      

          • Anonymous

            The income tax cut for millionaires and estate tax cut for millionaires only were absolutely unnecessary and should be delayed or repealed to balance our budget rather than immoral cuts to the poor and the elderly.

          • “looking at the likes” ??? Lmao….you judge using Facebook as your facts ? ROFLMAO !!!

          • Anonymous

            LOL “Have you been looking at the likes lately?” LOL..thanks, i really needed a laugh this morning.   Fortunately most people in Maine do not have time to spend commenting on newspaper articles, or simply do not care.   To use how many ‘likes’ you get to a comment as a gauge of public sentiment is pretty foolish.  All the ‘likes’ mean are that a certain number of people took the time to read your comment and liked it, plain and simple.   Again with the biased paper crap..you guys are never satisfied, even when the story is commending the incompetent leader you follow blindly.

          • Guest

            Dont care, he will still get reelected… :-P

          • Anonymous

            no chance.

          • Guest

            Guess we’ll see

          • Anonymous

            Are you psychic who can predict what is going to happen 3 years from now nobody can.  Who would the Liberals put up that could defeat him the answer is noone.  Do you think idiots such as Eliot Cutler, Emily Cain, Ethan Strimling, Justin Alfond, Cynthia Dill, John Richardson, Glenn Cummings, Matt Dunlap would be any better LOL HAHA.  No they would return us to the same failed social policies , failed economic tax, spend , borrrowing policies that destroyed our state.  They would expand Welfare to the point everyone would be on it and return us to the restrictive nanny state where we would be dependent on them for everything. The only way they have a chance is to nomiante Rosa Scarcelli or Barbara Merrill both folks are moderate to conservative in their agenda.  They wouldn’t ram their agenda down our throats not be divisive and partisan they would do everything to get our economy going.  The others would take the state off the cliff.

          • Don’t need to be psychic…only need to be a working citizen of Maine to see where LePage is going. The only people that want him in office now that he has revealed his agenda are the wealthy. There are far more poor and elderly and those groups hate him. Say goodbye to your little doughboy….it’s just a waiting game now.

          • Anonymous

            I’m a working citizen of Maine, I’m not wealthy, and I want LePage reelected.

          • Anonymous

            Psychic ability isn’t necessary to know LePage is a one termer. It just takes a brain. Do you have one? Eliot Cutler would have won if early voters hadn’t made the assumption that an independent had no chance.

          • Anonymous

            ANYBODY is better than LePage or any Republican. People are sick of the cater to the rich, try to make it harder to vote, try to make unions harder to exist radical special interest GOP agenda.

          • Anonymous

            I agree with you MeForest

          • LePage is finished. All you need to do in Maine is draw the ire of it’s senior population and you are done. He has not only alienated the senior citizens who want to enjoy their WELL EARNED retirement, but he has slandered the poor. You guys that think LePage will get another term are definately the minority. Unless he does something to appease the senior citizens, and poor in Maine he will be working the unemployment line. I wouldn’t rule out a Recall.

          • Guest

            I am part of the senior population, and most I know “are” going to vote to reelect him again…!

          • no he won’t….

          • Anonymous

            Quimby 2014!

          • Guest

            yeah, right.
            Thats like saying Dill for Congress.. .

          • Anonymous

            fun to watch a declining party and their name calling.I guess that is all they have left. After thirty years of failed unfunded policy’s and fraud ,it is time for the adults to payoff the kids credit card.

          • Anonymous

            I don’t seem to recall any of the crisis, chaos,  name calling and political back stabbing in any administration as long as I have been alive. Both were re-elected, and I would like to have you explain exactly what Governor King did as it relates to Paul LePage…..what is it that he did to make you say this?

            No,  it’s time for the adults to act like adults,    not children throwing temper tantrums.

          • Anonymous

            Imagine that . the conservatives didn’t cus and swear at the liberal governors that they didn’t very much. But boy have the liberals really have been nasty rude and childish ever since LePage got elected even before he was sworn in.

          • Anonymous

            The democrats have never resorted to that.   We have always maintained some sort of dignity,   for instance,   we don’t lie to Forbes magazine and a town hall group to get press.   We have never had our constitutionally appointed commissioner’s or other appointed commissioner’s write opinionated and controversial editorials.   And we don’t call constituent gatherings and a small group of protester’s   Bull S.!

            He’s not doing well,   and he served up a Fluff sandwich, last nite.   We will see.

          • Anonymous

            penguin is dignity.occupy please explain that in a dignified way.Coming from a party that wants to transform the U.S  into barter town i guess your right.

          • Anonymous

            Liberally Mitchell at 19% and the Dems are falling.  The Dems will be looking back on Libby’s 19% as the good old days.

          • Anonymous

            What are you talking about?       If Libby hadn’t have been there,  Le Page would have lost by friggin 12 %,   at least!

          • Anonymous

            If Libberally Mitchell hadn’t been there the Dems would have gotten 0% of the vote.  LePage is exposing the Dems for the thieving blood suckers that they are (see the MTA scandal and the developing MSHA scandal).  Why would anyone vote Democrat in Maine again?

          • Anonymous

            Because the GOP only cares about helping rich people and doesn’t give a damn about the middle class, the elderly or the poor AND because the corrupt GOP type of governing is all about making it harder to vote, making unions harder to exist and lining the pockets of the super rich.

        • Guest

          my god this is a tired stance. specifics please? oh,you can only make sweeping generalizations?

          “tells it like it is”  again, please explain this

          • Guest

            Dont care if your tired of it, I could care less.

            Paul has put a lot of time into restoring the Millinocket Mills that Baldacci & King couldnt be bothered with, un-did much of the regulatory BS both Baldacci & King built-up, told off Obama, and the sweetest one to date, has been quoted as replying to Quimby’s Park “the hell she is”

          • Guest

            Wow..the mill?really? all lepage huh? By the way, other than hanging a tacky sign on the highway that is ALL he has done. Not so sure he deserves credit for that?
            What regulatory BS are you referring to? 
            “told off obama” What? Oh he did, did he? What are you, twelve?
            Go ahead, hang your hat on rhetoric and promises and historical revisionism. And childish unprofessional remarks.
            Guess what? Still NO substance.

          • Anonymous

            no substance to telling off obama? I guess regulating the fishing industry to death must be a new campaign slogan for progressives.How about the spend for trips programs that he has uncovered from the left.700 for a clown show yet their great leader said the needed would freeze over losing 800. talk about rhetoric!.The failed unfunded programs that were set up by the past admins borders on criminal.Finally we have someone in augusta that is telling the Maine people just what a disaster the last admins was.

          • Anonymous

            we have a disaster in Augusta NOW

          • Wow..the mill?really? all lepage huh? By the way, other than hanging a tacky sign on the highway that is ALL he has done. Not so sure he deserves credit for that?What regulatory BS are you referring to? “told off obama” What? Oh he did, did he? What are you, twelve?Go ahead, hang your hat on rhetoric and promises and historical revisionism. And childish unprofessional remarks.Guess what? Still NO substance.
            No substance, you’re right!  Or in your case, you’re left!! 

          • Guest

            Left? Sorry, I don’t play the two party game. Hint, it’s fixed….

          • Guest

            We said the same thing about Baldacci & King, but liberals said tough luck, or move if you dont like what we are doing,,,,,, guess what, LePage is in office, and now its your turn to get use to it..!

          • Anonymous

            We’ll deal with it for 3 more years, then good riddings to governing for ONLY the rich.

          • Anonymous

            What does “riddings” mean?

          • Guest

            Then it wont bother you when he gets reelected…. :-P

          • Anonymous

            Millinocket,   Millinocket,   Millinocket……….?     Maybe we should ask for a name change,   The State of Millinocket.      Other than that,  quit kissing up to special interest and private corporations who want you to allow them to conduct “public improvements” through TIF’s…..

            How much of your property tax rebate is going to the mill? (I’ll bet every penny!) If you don’t think that the rest of us know that this company had Le Page by the nads, then you are sadly mistaken. It’s time to consider the rest of Maine, Down east, Inland areas, Aroostook County, not everything happens from Millinocket down.

          • Guest

            Its gonna really upset you when he gets reelected… :-)

          • Anonymous

            It’s going to upset you more……when he loses……IN A PRIMARY!        Kevin Raye or Eliot Cutler could beat him in a minute. 

          • Guest

            Read a newspaper, Raye is going to unseat Michaud, and LePage will get reelected.. ;-)

          • Anonymous

            You guys talk like you know all but know nothing except spreading lies, misinformation and crazy rhetoric. Sad but true.

          • Guest

            no, its a fact,,, you must be the only one that dosent know

          • Guest

            Is that all you’ve got? Kinda like lepage, all talk no substance…good luck

        • Anonymous

          There’s the cop out!    It was only a matter of time.    

          You have said nothing,    and have stated nothing,   you speak of no specifics, nor do you offer any opinion.    

        • Re-call LePage !!!

          • Guest

            Go ahead & try

        • Hopefully he will run for national office and replace Michaud.

          • Guest

            Good thought, but from what I hear Kevin Raye will do that

          • Anonymous

            Raye better not give up his state legislative job because come November he’ll be starting to look for a new job after Michaud demolishes him since only FOOLS vote for Republicans.

          • Guest

            if you say so

        • Anonymous

          If you want to live in the past, why not be honest and go back a little further to when McKernan robbed the retirement system to balance his budget. Now LePage had to “fix” that misappropriation by punishing thousands of state workers and retirees. By the way McKernan was (gasp) a republican.

          • Anonymous

            so so true, but GOP cheerleaders will still tell you the Dems ran Maine the past 40 years…despite 3 GOP governors and two independent Republican leaning Governors. Of course, Republicans will say ANYTHING to fool us into electing them!

        • Joseph Willingham

          You stated it’s a fact.  Opinions aren’t facts.

          • Guest

            We all vote our “opinions” and being one of the majority of seniors that did vote LePage, I can tell you he will be getting our vote again…!

            Being gray may suc, but it carries many votes

      • Guest

        “…$20,000 per year will see their taxes drop about $17. For the top 1% of all Maine household earners, the average savings would be about $2,800 per year. ”

        And just what is wrong with that?   With $2800, he can hire someone to paint his house, pave a driveway, remodel a bath room, or build a tool shed.  All of which create employment.  Sent to Augusta, all the $2800 does is support a party hack in a no work job — like Dale McCormick or Trish Reilly.   Sounds like a Great Idea to me.

        • Anonymous

          nah — he probably adds the 2800 to his investment fund that he only pays 15% income tax on

          I would like to think the 2800 might have bought a little fuel and some medications for the elderly

          • Anonymous

            So he puts $2,800 in additional investment capital into the US Economy, increases the value of the funds the union pensions are invested in, and helps get the wheels of America’s economy turning a little bit faster, and all you can do is complain that he’s only going to pay 15% to the federal government on what he earns.

            Tell me, how much in taxes is enough? 25%, 45%, 65%…. and when does it end?

          • Anonymous

            when the 1% ers in Maine are the $20.000 income bracket. They will pick the bones dry until it comes out of their pocket.

          • Anonymous

            when the 1% ers have no money left, our country is done. who do you think will be paying the bills then?
             the group that we should all be protesting is the politicians, who work for themselves, create laws to protect their group and spend our tax dollars on their extravagant lifestyle.

          • Anonymous

            That’s funny…you do realize that a great deal of politicians ARE the 1%? 

          • Anonymous

            40% for millionaires is enough….just like it was 11 years ago before Bush committed class warfare and cut taxes for the rich.

          • Anonymous

            Why should the rich get special treatment just because they are rich??? A progressive tax always has the rich pay more because they can afford it. The rich don’t need to worry about paying a little more in taxes or buying food or paying rent, but the same can’t be said for the middle class and the poor. GEEZ. 

          • Anonymous

            donate $2800 then.Until the waste and abuse is fixed i do not wwant any extra money going to Augusta or DC

          • Anonymous

            Then you better stop supporting the Republicans who have given so so much away in corporate welfare!

          • Anonymous

            Ah yes, let the government control where all the money goes.  Many feel they are paying enough taxes already (myself included).  I suppose if $2800 could buy heating oil for the poor, why not make it $3000…$5000….whatever.  So long as the “wealthy” just keep paying while so many Mainers refuse to work and pay zero.  The recipient class gets larger and larger.

          • Anonymous

            You missed the point — Mr LePage is taking credit for the largest ever tax and trying to get us to believe how much good it did for those with 20,000 a year income when in reality the bulk of the benefit went to the higher income individuals — to that they respond that they will make jobs when in fact all they do is put the money into investments that provide them profits that are taxed well below the 35% I am paying — to receive the maximum benefit from a tax cut give it to the lower income and lower middle income — they will spend it and create jobs faster

        • Anonymous

          Yea well it’s well known that the “job makers”  are not making  jobs,   they are pocketing it.  Just as those who received bail outs.     An example,    Bangor Savings Bank was a partial benefactor of a bail out,   they have not paid one cent back,   closed branches,   and gave their executors bonuses.    

          Job makers? ……….where the hell are the jobs? Or are we just not smart enough? Or perhaps we are smart enough to know that we can market our skills like a business markets it’s products….neither is working.

          • Anonymous

            Rich people don’t like it when their money is sitting doing nothing. Because it isn’t making them any money, what smart rich people do with their money is they invest it. They ALWAYS invest it. Because money that just sits their loses value due to inflation.

            When investments become too risky, as many do in hard economic times, they will tend to move their money to less risky investments, investments in which may not be as beneficial for the “greater good.”

            But the point is, they are not just “pocketing it”

          • Anonymous

            They aren’t creating jobs with it either!!!!!

          • Anonymous

            Of course anyone is creating jobs when they invest their money in a business. Selling stock is the number one way that businesses raise money to allow themselves to grow. When you invest in a company by buying its stock, you put your money at risk, hoping the company will grow and make a profit which will in turn make your stock more valuable so you can sell it at a profit. Do you REALLY not understand that??!!!

          • jimbobhol

            Its their money.

          • Guest

            Make noises about confiscation and of course the job makers will hunker down. Even the deer know enough to lay low when hunters start prowling through the woods. Let them keep what they earn and avarice will create more jobs than you’ll have labor to fill.

            As for the bankers, we need to put a few dozen of the mortgage fraud scammers in jail — or better yet, send them to the gallows. You won’t get that from the political class, though, until they start smelling the tar and seeing the feathers.

      • Anonymous

        Let’s assume the governor adjusted the tax rates so that Mainers earning $20,000 per year would pay $2,800 less in state income taxes, the same amount of tax drop for the top 1 % of household earners. How much tax would those Mainers pay? The answer is NONE. In fact they most likely would receive a rebate nearing $2,800 – if not the entire amount – over and above the federal income tax rebates they qualify for as head of household!

        • Anonymous

          Um….you left out the MOST important bill paying class,   those in the middle.    

          • You’re correct… However if it were as originally planned all those many years ago… We wouldn’t be paying taxes period!!

            Oh yeah, not directed to you Rusjan, but whoever asked if there was any mention of “capitalism” in the constitution… No, there is not.. Nor is there any language to allow socialized medicine, over-bearing taxes, or the destruction of our country…

            But YOUR guy must have it right..? Let’s declare war on the people who have the money to spend, thus creating jobs, thus improving the overall quality and quantity of life..  Sounds like a plan to me.. Shoot the fattest turkey and the other turkeys love you.. but they are still next on the block.. Keep that in mind next time you speak of the “1%” and all the other bs that comes from bath-salt riddled minds of our often and utterly misguided youth.

            I’m thinking that most of you who ask questions about the Constitution haven’t taken the time to read it and the correspondence before, known as the “Federalist Papers..”  Take some time to read this and then act like you wrote it.  At least you’ll have something else to argue….

          • Anonymous

            However,  there is no prohibition in the constitution, and nearly an expectency to help the citizens of our nation. I do not think that our founding fathers wanted people to suffer, succinctly, they wanted the people to decide.

            Regarding your metaphor about the turkey,    it’s not uncommon for roosters or male turkeys to intentionally break unhatched eggs for fear of being replaced by the hen house.

            I’ve read and understand the constitution.   I had two grueling years of Eugene Mawhinney at UMO,   and others.     (that wasn’t fun,    god bless him!)       

            We have to do something to make sure our citizens are treated equitably,  or at least attempt to show that they are.   What’s makes a stable society?……a middle class.   And we are losing ours

          • Anonymous

            Tea partyers don’t have a clue about the Constitution but sure shoot their mouths off like they do.

          • Anonymous

            The middle class, those earning more than the federal poverty level for a family of 4 in Maine, that is, over $49,500, will be getting a lot more than $17. Sorry for the omission.

          • Anonymous

            You don’t get it do you?    Those in the middle should be getting the MOST.       Not, on the scale, nor on the table of taxes.     Nationally middle class is 47.5 to 63.3 thousand a year.

            That’s nationally. Maine may, and is probably different, but not that much. So exactly when does the 47.5 thousand guy come close to $2,800? Especially when the 20 thousand guy gets 17 dollars. The most is going to be $75 bucks. Do the math.

            Either way, it doesn’t add up. 2/3rds are not getting the break that the 1/3rd does….

            Peace Whawell, I appreciate you’re continued volition to seek the positive, and I mean that. At least there are some of us that try.

          • Anonymous

            Most of LePage’s tax cuts go to the wealthiest and as such were COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY and have contributed to our budget woes. REPEAL OR DELAY Lepage’s income tax cuts and estate tax cuts for MILLIONAIRES!

        • Anonymous

          Great, put the money in the hands of those who will spend it, this will increase demand and jobs will have to be created to keep up with the demand. ALL the tax cuts should go to the middle class and poor! Trickle up, why not try that for a change since trickle down hasn’t worked and never will.

      • Anonymous

        I hope you use the same logic on Obama then we will be rid of him

        • Anonymous

          History shows that a strong middle class is absolutely necessary for a stable society.   He fights for the middle class,   and, obviously has recognized that our commitments by others are not paramount to stabilization of oil interests.    The fact of the matter remains the same,  there are supposed to be more middle class citizens then both upper and lower, The President at least is acknowledging that fact and knows what needs to be done.

        • Anonymous

          And elect who? Romney the multi millionaire with accounts in the Cayman Islands, or Newt the lobbyist? Great choices the republican party is offering. Obama will win by default, because the repub. party can’t find an honest candidate to put on the ballot.

      • Anonymous

        I agree with you,  The governor is on his own when t’s comes to the economy. It’s on HIS shoulders to turn things around. The same should be said of President Obama.

         Am I missing something here? How in the world can you compare the two? Is it about blaming the person making more? They save more but how much did each PAY IN?? Should they pay the difference so they would take home the same amount as the person who made 20 thousand????? MAKE SENSE PLEASE???

         I’m disabled, I live on very little, socially, very liberal . But your one sided comments make me sick..  Act like someone who wants to convince someone your right. Don’t just call them names and point out their shortcomings.. I know I have plenty of my own and I AM ABSOLUTELY SURE  your not perfect.

         We need more money coming in, no doubt about it. The problem is that I don’t trust our government to spend wisely.

        Anytime anyone agrees to tax increases a politician decides that it’s FOUND MONEY and  never gets into the general fund. It goes to LOW PRIORITY ISSUES.

         I’ve got news for one and all.  As long as there is ONE SINGLE SOLITARY person living on the street  I could care less how many gasses we release. We blow money on GREEN ENERGY and yet we have HOMELESS PEOPLE.  DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE TO YOU.? A report says the VOLT, you know, the car that catches on fire cost the ‘people over 200 thousand in taxpayer money PER CAR!!!! Think of all the people that could be helped if our priorities weren’t so screwed up.. Enough about your green nonsense. TAKE CARE OF YOUR FELLOW MAN THAT YOU SO CALLOUSLY WALK FAR FROM ON THE STREET.If either side gave a darn perhaps something would be done.

         By ALL MEANS, LET THESE TALKING HEADS TELL YOU WHAT TO THINK.left or right.

         Just another EMPTY partisan head

        • Anonymous

          Tax increases in the old days sometimes went to expansion of programs. That won’t happen again anytime soon. Heck, the Dems today are more fiscally conservative than Republicans were 30 years ago. Obama would be a Republican 30 years ago when the Republican Party actually cared about the middle class.

      • rusjan, when your annual tax tab is zero, its very very hard to make it less than that.  When I went to school, zero meant nothing and in some schools, I believe it still does.  Evidently in the school that you attended, your teachers found a different definition because it is clear that you and the rest of the democrats strongly believe that you should get something for nothing.

      • Anonymous

        “$2800 is just a little bit of money”.  Mitt Romney/GOP

        • Anonymous

          “$374,00 is just a little bit of money” Mitwit Romney

    • Anonymous

      Pretty loose with your facts.  Your biased opinions are masquerading as facts.

      • Guest

        If you say so…

    • BJ Kitchin

      (Sigh) @MeForest:disqus   –   Sounds like something a cartoon character would say.
       
      Political rhetoric is killing us.  We need what all sides of the isle have to offer.  If nothing else, I thought his approximation of asking for solidarity and partnership was good.  I am sad to say, as evidenced by the political patina in @MeForest:disqus ‘s comment, we seem to rather make arguments then solve problems.

      • Guest

        “Political rhetoric is killing us” killing the crap created by the past two administrations is more like it.

      • Guest

        Too bad they weren’t ALL on an isle.  Unfortunately it’s only an aisle that separates them.

    • Anonymous

      I’d also like to point out BDN analysis fact check doesn’t amount to any significant change in what the governor stated. Just to illustrate, lets look at the first three fact checks more closely:

      LePage mentioned Maine has the 12th highest energy costs in the U.S. While BDN doesn’t dispute this fact it mentioned that Maine has the lowest commercial and industrial electricity costs in New England. It does not mention how Maine’s commercial rates compare with the rest of the nation. Also, not mentioned by BDN is the reason why Maine’s commercial and industrial costs are lower than the rest of New England: Lower commercial rates are made possible by making residential rates higher. In other words, Maine households are paying for lower commercial rates.

      LePage compared the median household income of Maine with those of NH and Mass. BDN points out these states have higher incomes on account of the Boston job market where those who work in Boston simply make more money. If location makes a difference in the job market, then why is not the household medium income in those areas in Portland and south of Portland comparable to those in Southern NH. This claim by BDN is somewhat preposterous.

      BDN claims it cost more to live in the Boston area, something the governor
      didn’t mention. It points out Mass is tied with RI for being 9th in the country for high cost of living. That may be so, but the higher costs of living in those areas does not nearly come close to explaining why Mainers are so much worse off.

      Much of this article is taken up by other fact checks that don’t significantly contradict the governor’s state of the state address. Truth be told the governor’s assessment of the state of the state is quite accurate.

      • Anonymous

        On the bright side, I think this article was a more than adequate piece of reporting, replete with internal disclaimers.

        In addition, the BDN provides all of us with a forum for rebuttal.

        Having said that, throw all the bums out.

      • Anonymous

        They had to find something to discredit him on.What would they report on that their progressive readers could understand.

        • Fact checking doesn’t always imply that there were false statements.

          • Anonymous

            HUH! I will agree that like past S.O.T.U speechs this one had alot of facts and lacked the usual spin and cover ups. That style got us in this mess .

      • Guest

        I guess that makes us targets.. ;-)

        • Anonymous

          If you support the bum GOP, then yes.

    • Baldacci was bad, but not worse that LePage.  King has both of them beat by a mile!
       

      • Guest

        Baldacci didnt even want to meet with small business, LePage has been doing that every day since he took office..!

        • Anonymous

          another lie

          • Guest

            Baldacci, a governor “never” came to Millinocket to meet with small business and I dont know of “anyone” other than the group from MAGIC that got any face time with him.

        • Anonymous

          He’s all about business and nothing about the people. 

          • Guest

            Right….

    • That’s not sayin much….

    • Fact, the reporter found that the facts LePage talked about were facts.

  • Anonymous

    Well, let’s just wait and see what the governor does.   Talk is cheap.   And it’s only taken him a year to even start talking about job creation,  but it didn’t take a year for him to explain what is wrong with : unskilled labor, and energy costs  to businesses and industry (which according to this article commercial and industrial energy costs are cheaper in Maine than all of New England,   interesting?)

    I hope that he is forthright and earnest with his offer to work together, but I’m skeptical and have a very good reason to be.

  • Guest

    ….

    • Guest

      Here’s hoping that it’s 14000 next year — all state employees.

  • Anonymous

    Eric, what does this mean: ” Under current statute, hydro power projects that generate less than 100
    megawatts are considered renewable but largest projects are now.”?  For reference, it’s the second sentence of the 4th paragraph from the bottom.  Thanks.

    • Anonymous

      Ya, this is confusing.    I am thinking that he meant ….not now considered?   I dunno?

    • Anonymous

      it should say “larger projects are not.” It’s being fixed as we speak. Thanks.
      -Eric Russell

  • Anonymous

    LaPage and his budget team have a lot of “Splainin to do”. Why would they HIKE-UP the already $9,000,000 subsidy to the Maine Maritime Academy for the next two years by nearly 4% while slashing nearly all other budget items? Why would a country-club school with nearly 1/2 of the student body from out of state who graduate and never look back..( much less than paying back any Maine taxes) command an increase of scarce resource $’s than necessary road maintence, aid to dependent citizens, courts, education, etc which are being cut? The Maine Maritime Academy operates outside of the Maine University and Community College systems, but you can find the budget of  this very questionable stealth item. It’s time for the MMA to be privatized

    • Guest

      MMA is NOT a country club school, especially for those in the regiment who receive the typical hazing.  Maine schools like Bates, Bowdoin, and Colby attract many more high socio-economic status kids and the out-of-state students who are at MMA pay a third more in tuition.  The school also trains a lot of Maine students who simply wouldn’t be admitted at more selective colleges.  These Mainers then go on to enter fields that pay high salaries and have historically had high employment rates.  I don’t see why the state should only support schools that offer liberal arts– not everyone is meant for the liberal arts.

  • Anonymous

    Clearly, Mr. Russell of the BDN doesn’t give a flying rip about Maine domestic violence.  He rather tell us it cost more to live in Mass.  than comment on at least one issue every Mainer could get behind.  Governor LePage drew his largest applause from both sides of the isle during his emotional commentary on domestic violence.  This is the poorest piece of relevant journalism I have ever seen.  This was not the venue for a fuller context.  How many hours did you want him to talk?

    • Anonymous

      This was an analysis of claims he made during the speech. Nothing he said about domestic violence needs further context. I included mention of the domestic violence piece in my initial story. It’s absolutely a big issue and it’s not partisan. I said so in the initial piece.
      -Eric Russell

      • Anonymous

        If you do not see this as a partisan piece, then you do not know what the word partisan means.
        Every single word you wrote can also be picked apart to show that you were not giving LePage as much credit for being truthful as you could have.
        Had he said that the sky was blue, you would have commented, “maybe… but maybe it is more of an azure, and even when azure it is gray somewhere.”

        • Anonymous

          Almost Tyler.  He would have said “the sky may have been blue when the speech was written but it was give a night when it was not. Governor Lepage has deceived the public”

        • LOL – Eric Russell fact checking a republican or conservative position is like :    … … … …

          You fill in the blanks !

          like the Dos Equis man is mortal !

      • Anonymous

        Did he not CLAIM Maine men need to take action with regard to domestic violence? What initial piece? I did not see or hear of it. I always kind of disregarded the BDN bias so many have claimed. I usually avoid the opinions after articles because as you know, there are so many closed minded opines. I found your initial piece though it is unlikely anyone would read it once your second piece came online. I still believe your second piece was pretty shallow.

      • Anonymous

        So all you have to do is say its not partisan and that proves the point?   No need for any readers to think about the articles, just accept the writers assurances that they are accurate, complete and unbiased.  My, my, someone is sure full of them self.

  • Anonymous

    Excellent analysis.  Statistics are fine, but only if they are expressed completely and are fully appropriate to what’s being measured or discussed.  Something lacking from LePage and the Rs.

  • Anonymous

    I am trying to remember if the BDN ever fact checked Baldacci’s speeches….??

    • Anonymous

      “I am trying to remember if the BDN ever fact checked Baldacci’s speeches….??”

      If not, be sure to ask why not, too.

    • Anonymous

      There was no facts to check all progressive rhetoric.

  • Anonymous

    Good speech last night. The man was congenial, tried to stay on task, jovial at times and offered a pretty good overview. But in the end I found him wordy with little substance. He dealt well with generalities — lower energy costs, reform enducation, create jobs,end domestic violence — all lofty goals — but he came off as not having any plans on how to accomplish these goals.

    He claimed to be saving the safety net for the needy — I am not sure the elderly, handicapped and disabled who will be adversely affect by the 60 million dollar cut from DHHS would agree with that statement

    He took claim for the largest tax cut in the State’s history — but he failed to mention that the bulk of the cuts went to those with the least need — another trickle down we’ll see one drip at a time

    He took credit for the restart of the mill in Millinocket — he failed to mention the amount of tax dollars being spent to buy the Dolby Landfill and maintain it

    He credited MDOT for saving 100 million without adversely affecting the highways — that is the short answer — let’s see how this plays out over time

    He took credit for the change of attitude by Maine government — is he also willing to accept credit for his part in the gridlock we are experiencing ? 

    He claimed to be unable to create jobs in the private sector — some bond issues to give the state matching money for federal funds  for needed highway and infrastructure projects would create a multitude of construction related jobs

    But again it was refreshing to see Mr LePage as he was last night — hopefully this is the start of a new year and the state can move forward.  

    • Anonymous

      Let me make a few comments about your claims:

      For the record the governor has stressed repeatedly he will ensure the safety net for needy people is not taken away while making cuts in DHHS. He intends to restructure welfare so that those who don’t really need it will be taken off welfare through job training and through an improved vetting process, among other ways of cutting.

      Tax cuts are being applied to those who pay taxes. A large segment of household earners do not pay any state income tax and qualify for federal income tax rebates to boot as head of household.

      As far as I know, the state assumed ownership of the Dolby Landfill without any upfront costs. Although the state inherited a liability, it would have ended by having to assume this liability regardless of the outcome of the shuttered paper mill.

      If MDOT managed to save 100 million dollars under his leadership, don’t knock him down for that until we see the long term results. Right now Maine doesn’t have any extra cash available to upgrade its highways at a higher rate.

      So far most of the gridlock I’ve seen has been coming from his detractors. Remember the needless controversy over the mural, over the relatively few feisty comments of his, and over his daughter’s relatively low paying state job, none of which really concern most Mainers? How about the false claims the governor wants to throw out the elderly from nursing homes? More importantly, how about the legislature’s great reluctance to look for areas where tax payer money can be saved? Don’t you think it high time for the state to tighten its belt in order to give tax payers a break? Maine has been taxing and spending in the past three decades without much to show for its out-of-control habits. It’s time for a change.

      • Anonymous

        What do you mean by He intends to restructure welfare so that those who don’t really need it
        will be taken off welfare through job training and through an improved
        vetting process? People on welfare are going to be vetted? How does that work?

        • Anonymous

          The vetting process to determine who should be receiving one form of welfare or another should be a continuing process to make sure those who are on the receiving end continue to have a real need. Welfare over time tends to more breathe welfare.

          • Anonymous

            DHHS just needs to enforce the laws on the books.  LePage could create jobs by rebuilding infrastructure.  But he won’t float any bonds.  That is like trying to pay cash for your house.  It will cost the state more in business than Lepage will save by not floating bonds.
            He is probably saving it for election time.

          • Anonymous

            The state already has too much debt (bonds) to service and pay off without floating new bonds. It also has a lot of entitlements that need to be fulfilled down the road. Failure to save now will create a necessity to make drastic cuts in retirements and other programs later. Also, merely enforcing the laws on the books will not do by any means. Just too many people are eligible for handouts as under current law, hence the reason for restructuring programs.

  • Anonymous

    My goodness, Eric, did you want his speech to go on for three hours?

    But really, great job giving readers a fuller picture of the situation. I don’t fault LePage for not enlarging on many of his points. After all, the point of party politics is to attempt to make your party look as good as you can.

    • Anonymous

      How about making your State look as good as you can.  Eric didn’t seem to enlighten on the accomplishments of the current administration and congressional delegates.  That’s something that LePage didn’t take all the credit for either.

  • jimbobhol

    This is just a bunch of number junk  add 1 to three get 19 subtract 32 and get 56 x 10 equals 0 balanced budget There fixed the budget ,

  • Anonymous

    How can people say good speech?  Anyone can say anything  even a elementary school student , he didn’t give any details.  A good politician can say anything but, its more important to hear it from a Governor how it will be done.  I didn’t hear any plans in motion. And this isn’t Mass or NH , I want to know  what he is going to do, to turn this State of Maine around.

    • Anonymous

      He’s only got an hour to do a speech, what did you expect a full blown pie charts and bar graphs budget, planning, and action session?  State-of-the-State addresses are addresses, and at best a SWOT analysis of the state.

  • Anonymous

    Finally he brings up the fact that hydro-power is needed and renewable, even small dams.

    I for one would certainly prefer the State taking over dams rather then landfills.

    • Anonymous

      Please the name top five potential damn sites in Maine, and their generative potential . 

      Otherwise it is just talk, and like saying that a unicorn wool industry would the best thing for the State’s economic future AND it increase tourism, too.  

      • Anonymous
        • Anonymous

          Wow! I never knew there were so many dams in  Maine, about 500 in all. What would happen if all those 500 dams were decommissioned overnight? I suspect there would be blackouts throughout Maine and the rest of New England. Thanks for your alertness.

          • Anonymous

            There used to be more, a certain group of people have been fighting to remove every dam in Maine so that the fish can swim upstream. I believe right now they are working on having the Solon dam, and the Wyman dam removed. Great idea. It is easy to ignore reality when you are not living in it.

        • Anonymous

          Oh,  so you can’t say in plain words how this is supposed to work, either ?  

          If the little damns things are economically feasible, why hasn’t the free market done its job yet? 

          Now that we are open for business, where are all the active damn investors,
           like there are with wind generators ? 

          Where have they ever been ?
          How many example of this great promise are producing power, right now ?
          Why is that ?

          If a buck could made why isn’t it being made , yet ?
          Why haven’t they been snapped up by developers and refurbished like old brick school building are ?

        • Anonymous

          So you can’t just say how this is supposed to work, in plain words either ? 

          If they are economically feasible why hasn’t the free market created a  dam rush  in Maine yet, especially as we are open for business, now, right ? 

          Why haven’t developers snapped up these dams , refurbished and put into them production making money, like all old brick school building have been ? 

          Why aren’t we looking at active applications instead pie in sky political rhetoric, Governah ? 

          What has to be changed to suddenly make this economically feasible ?  
          If it already really were, where are all the dam investors ? 
          We only have wind power ones, now.

          Can a free market advocate explain to us all what THAT suggests ?  

          LOL 

      • Anonymous

        This is a damn-site, but only by a damn site…for a website.

  • Tom

    Two liars on TV last night…LePage and Obama!

    • Anonymous

      LePage lied?

      • Anonymous

        Exactly, what did he lie about?
        Also, does anyone know if any of baldacci’s state of state addresses were fact checked?

    • Anonymous

      Thats what they do…. Tell you one thing and do another, both sides do it…

  • Anonymous

    Perhaps the Governor was throwing the liberals a bone by giving them
    some lip service on domestic violence.  Previous Governor’s have
    parroted the DV advocate’s (those who desire to define more domestic
    violence)  victim-feminist, “Duluthian” model, only to later take one in
    the chin when they would not steer slush money and more draconian “man
    hating” legislation their way.  Hopefully the Governor realizes that in
    most cases, perhaps even his own, domestic violence is a matter of
    “mutual complicity” in which both combatants in a human diad perpetrate
    an escalating series of psychological, verbal, to physical assaults
    against each other.  While gains have been made in the recent decade to
    ameliorate fatherlessness due to restraining order abuse,  future
    legislation needs to go in the direction of encouraging parental
    responsibility, such as mutual arrests at a lower level of violence and
    mandatory counseling for BOTH combatants.   What good does that do when
    only half of those needing “education” are furnished it?  While the
    other half has learned to manipulate the system with virtual impunity
    for strategic advantage in property divorce and custody battles.  
    Today, nearly half of school age children live in households where their
    Dads are no longer present.  Many are denied the ability to maintain a
    meaningful relationship with both of their parents.  But their fathers
    didn’t abandon them, nor are they deadbeats in most instances.  They’ve
    been beat dead by a system that rewards acrimony, power and control
    abuses, and financial incentives for single mother households.   I’m
    sure the legislation that Governor LePage is shilling for will be
    addressing these issues!  

  • It is much more expensive to live in ME.  Gas is 20 cents higher a gallon, fuel oil is higher, food is ridiculous, two markets in Ellsworth to choose from, lots of competition.  Not everyone lives in the Boston area.  Furtherore, if you checked some of the safety deposit boxes in ME you may find you are being screwed.  LIHEAP, food stamps for them.  I never bought a legal lobster in ME and can’t afford to live here anymore.  I’m tired of paying for them.

    • Anonymous

      I agree that daily living expenses are more in Maine than in NH: food, gas, electricity, sales tax, health insurance all come to mind. But rentals and real estate are far cheaper overall in Maine than in NH. So people have a good chance of finding a house they can afford to buy–they just can’t afford to live in it after they buy it.

      • I’m a realtor and the state of ME does not protect you when buying property. Be thankful we now have a consumer protection board in DC. You have no recourse in this state. Pretty sad that they don’t support their citizens against fraud.

        • Anonymous

          It is called due diligence.   The state does protect against fraud in real estate.  It has since the early 70’s.

    • Anonymous

      if you feel this way, why do you stay in ME?

      • Sucked into the poverty that is the beggar state ME, my pension starts soon and I will gtfo of this hole in hell ASAP

        • Anonymous

          Sucked into the poverty.   You got a pension?   You must be rich.  Apparently your values were sold for that pension.  What a miserable way to live in the great state of Maine.  Just where does this 51% figure come from?  I know a lot of people, and less than 1/10% are on assistance. 
          Maybe your pension is state assistance.

  • Anonymous

    “a fuller context was”  …?/??   wow thanks for the “fact checking”…….did that information all come from the state democratic party?  how about some unbiased review????     w ill we seen the same on the state of the union address?…………..fact checking would be wonderful on all/every public servant/politicians…too easy to be loose with the “facts” …..and maybe some one should be checking the media reporting “facts” as well???

  • Anonymous

    Instead of titling this article “Fact-checking LePage’s State of the State”, the author should have called it “In My Opinion, The Governor should have said this…”.  

    It seems that the facts that they were supposed to check, were in fact, true.  The author did go to the trouble to point out that certain facts were only true because of this, that, or whatever,… in his opinion anyway.

  • Anonymous

    Boy, the speech that Mr. Russell, (and Rep. Goodall on WVOM this morning) would prefer to hear would be about three times as long as the one Gov. LePage gave. “Brevity is the soul of wit.”

    He hit it out of the park, and all the left can say is, “gimme gimme gimme details.” Hold onto your hats, gents, as I expect the details are coming hard and fast.

  • Anonymous

    While we are at it lets Fact-check President Obama’s speach….
    Whats good for the goose is good for the gander….

    • Anonymous

      Why would you divert the issue?       Obama is doing a heck of a lot more in terms of speaking up for the middle class, trying to protect, in my opinion, the essence of american society,  and you want to divert the attention away from a governor that did nothing to help his own state’s middle class?

      • Liberal Soup N Crackers

        Obama is doing everything he can to bring ruin to the “middle class”.

      • Anonymous

        If LePage isn’t doing his job correctly we need to look at Obama too, lets examine both sides…..Sounds like to me you think Obama walks on water…. You really think Obama is doing something for the middle class??? I’m not diverting anything….

        • Anonymous

          yes you are,    you are diverting national and state politics.    Isn’t it you guys that say that state’s rights are being invaded?     

          • Anonymous

            I’m sorry, but I’m not one of them you guys….Dont paint with such a wide brush…

      • Anonymous

        The only thing Emperor  NObama has done is give us NOBAMACARE, Solyndra,  Siga, Bailing out of Car Companies,  Big Banks, Wall Street, Credit Card reforms, Green Energy fraud,  Ethanol Subsidies and 15% Ethanol gas coming soon.  All he has done is raise our debt and picked our pockets.

        • bla bla bla

        • Anonymous

          So the healthcare hasn’t helped you in what way?
          Private investors lost more ($1.1 billion) than the government in Solyndra.  Still, a chink in the armor.  Bailing out the car companies was a bad idea because it saved 1 million jobs.   In Penobscot county alone the auto related jobs saved by the bailout exceed 5,000.  There would have been a lot of dealers out of business, inventory customers couldn’t buy because financing wouldn’t be available, etc. 
          The big bank bailouts were started by Bush.   Credit card reforms were bad because they can’t send your bill 10 days before it is due?  Ethanol subsidies were a Bush program.
          So if  you want 4 more years of Bush, vote for Newt.  Me, I’m happy with the turn around that is in progress.

      • Anonymous

        Obama has had three years to help the middle class, the first two with his party in total control of both houses of congress. What happened?  He pissed through four trillion dollars and stuffed some very unpopular programs down our throats, that’s what happened.  Now the great campaigner, in his State of the Union address, is mining votes for his re-election with BS promises about helping the middle class, etc., etc. He’s a great campaigner, just not a very effective president thus far.

        • Anonymous

          Gary, Bush’s budget is Obama’s first term.  He inherited that with a 1.2 trillion.  So Obama is only responsible for about 2.5 trillion.  As far as unpopular programs:  like my insurance company pays for my wifes mammograms  and our colonoscopies.  Can’t get dumped off my insurance for diabetes or other pre-existing conditions.  Many peoples 401k are up 40% since Jan 2009.  We are out of one war and he did get Bin Laden.  So, I’m really not sure what legislation he pressed for that  has imposed a burden on me personally.  I’m all ears.

          • Sigh..   Bush’s budget was Pelosi / Reid budget.  Since Bush was a president for all Americans – he didn’t shut down the gov’t. 

            Now Obama’s budget is .. .. Oh that’s right he hasn’t had one – even when he had complete control of congress. 

            What’s your point about “Can’t get dumped off my insurance for diabetes.” ?    I believe that’s been in existence for many years in Maine.

          • Anonymous

            Reid and Pelosi’s budget was signed prior to the TARP request by Bush which added 700 million to the deficit.   Pre existing conditions would have been a more apt term.
            .
            I still see nothing that personally would effect you.   Even a government shut down saves money.  I would think if you were a small business owner you would like the roads to be in good shape for your customers.  An electrical grid that is more efficient (50% of electricity generated is lost thru transmission).  I’m still trying to figure out how Obama’s policy have inflicted a burden on you.

    • bla bla bla

      • Anonymous

        Say what?????

    • The New York Times has a great fact check of Obama’s State of the State speech at http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/01/24/us/politics/state-of-the-union-2012-video-transcript.html?pagewanted=all

      • Thanks for verifying my opinion that the BDN is populated by NYTimes wannabees.   

        Yes the Times has great resources and influence but to accept the Times as great fact checking is to say that you would also support Fox News fact checking for a Bush SOTU !

        Suggestion.  Pick up and publish Thomas Sowell’s columns – just for six months !

        • Anonymous

          Fox News!  I thought that was Murdoch attempt at the Comedy Channel. 

      • Anonymous

        Thanks for the link..

  • Anonymous

    Good luck trying to extricate some facts from anything that ever comes out of his mouth.  

  • Anonymous

    Once more an example of Mark Twain’s statement about lies, damned lies, and statistics.

  • Liberal Soup N Crackers

    While many were accurate, a fuller context often was missing.
    What you mean is that it lacked your spin.

  • midmainer

    Mr Russel, one thing you need to look very closely at, and Mr LePage continues to skip over, is the fact that the tax foundation’s figures on Maine’s  tax burden are horribly inaccurate. The tax burden is computed by taking the total in tax dollars paid in the state, and deviding that by the population. It is so inaccurate because of the massive amounts of taxes paid by people who do not live here. Huge amounts of the 7% portion of our sales tax is paid by tourists, and Maine has the highest in the nation rate of property owned by no residents. So all the property taxes paid on vacation/summer homes and camps owned by non residents should be removed from those figures. The tax floundtaion has done some minor adjusting over the past 5 years, since the time they declared Miane had the highest tax burden, but they just haven’t gotten the numbers right.

  • Anonymous

    LePage is just the Koch Brothers puppet giving lip service to Mainers.  His disrespectful comment of Taxachusetts shows his lack of tact and statesmenship.  He should be recalled.

    • Anonymous

      did anyone else notice how his left eye almost popped out of his head when he was getting angry?

  • Anonymous

    I should be outraged at the content of his speech and so should others. He is blaming his budget shortfall on everyone but himself.

    • Anonymous

      Like Obama???

      • Anonymous

        Well, Clinton left Bush a surplus to pay off the debt by 2015.  Obama’s only had two budgets.  The first one attributed to him was Bush’s 2009 budget that started Oct 1, 2008 with a 1.2 trillion deficit bringing the debt to just about $11 trillion.  So yeh, Obama inherited a mess.  How much is the stock market up since Obama took office?  50%.  How many jobs are being lost per month in the aggregate?  None. Actually have added 2.7 million since Feb 2010.   For W the stock market was up 2.5% per year.  Total job growth for the Bush whacker: 1.1 million.  The lowest of any president serving more than one term.

  • Anonymous

    someone i know made half of what i did but buy the time they get there food stamps tax return and all the freebies they made more then me but i worked twice as many hours …welcome to the poor i feel bad for them …… NOT and yes it was my taxes that paid for it

  • “Figures never lie but men (especially republicans) sometimes do”….

  • Why is there no large article on FACT CHECKING OBAMA’s speech from this liberal paper?

  • Anonymous

    Let’s give him a chance.   He’s trying to make change and fix the mess of what the former governors have created.

  • Anonymous

    In Response:

    Since our top tax bracket kicks in at $20,000 that is why I support changing the tax brackets, so those making over $100,000, as Obama put it are paying their fair share, while putting relief on those that are “not rich”?

    While a 5 year cap is a nice idea for some, for others it is not.  No one can control what happens in their life.  Some are lucky, some are not.  Is it fair to put someone out in the cold because life is not working out for them after 5 years, or 2 years while they were young, another year or two when they are a little older and oh, they run out before retirement?  Though, I do support getting people to be independent.  Isn’t that what people want?  Unfortunately, it does or has seemed like being dependent is the easier road.  Hence, many choose that road, or try to get on that road, or stay on that road.

    It costs more in energy in Maine versus Oklahoma because Maine is colder and we need heat to survive.  However, it makes a great test site for electronics and cars.  Can they stand the various terrain and extreme temperatures, both hot and cold?   That could help make a more durable product that could be sold anywhere in the world and know that it can function in almost any set of temperatures and terrain.  

    Electricity also does not like to move when it is cold.  The same reason, if you want batteries to be stored for a bit and maintain their charge, put them in the refrigerator to keep them cool and slow down the chemical reaction.  They last longer.

    Is there a safety reason for the 100MW restriction, if so, can we find a safer means, or make hydropower safer after years of growth in technological knowledge, like coal power plants have technology to be cleaner burning today than a few years ago.

    Also, like Obama said, there are jobs that need people to fill them and their are people who need jobs, but what is lacking is the two put together.  In Atlantic City there was a time, just a few years ago, they trained their workers for casinos.  Now hollywood slots is trying to send everyone to school before working at their casino.  What is up with the change?

    Some courses I took for work were not available through a college, even now I need a witness to take courses that specific to the technological field, no one other than the business offers the courses.  It is harder now that I do not work for that company.

    What is to determine the best teachers?  Those that have a teaching degree that care more about what they deserve for taking those courses and being a teacher,  letting a child slide that does not know how to write their name, or someone who has a degree, worked in the private sector, cares to give back, but is not qualified enough with all the other unemployed teachers applying for jobs, to work in a school?  They would be qualified in a private school.  How are those so called qualified teachers the best to do the job,  when that method is failing our students, and most schools are not performing?  I will ask the same as Mr. LePage.  What is best for the student?

    For business, how much reviving of the old ways can we do?   How about trying to change as any thriving business does with the climate and technology and bring in new ways to replace those lost?  

    I support an environment where mankind and other animals and the natural world can and does live together, not one or the other as in a complete concrete city like area and a preservation that no one can touch.  We evolved in plains and woods and mountains why take that away from us?  Also, many species were designed to change the terrain.  Too much of anything kills.  Ants and scavengers clean up the decay, beavers build dams and create ponds. So, in moderation it is ok for mankind to change its environment.

    Domestic abuse of any kind is bad, but we also need laws to protect those who may be innocent before we can put a sledge hammer down on someone.  Thank you.

  • Anonymous

    How a bout a Fact Check on Obama’s state of the Union BDN?
    Also, correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t recall any “fact checks” on Baldacci’s 8 state of the State addresses.

    • Anonymous

      What?  Is Bin Laden still alive?

    • Anonymous

      Correct, there wasn’t.  Expect more of this from the BDN, as Eric is going to be pouting for the next seven years.  Rag of a paper. 

  • Lepage classifies welfare like all of us who pay our own way in life do. Any monies you did not EARN. That is welfare 101.

    Personaly I would like to see the gov get Maine a nice welfare to work program. End ALL welfare fo all types. You work you earn you keep what YOU earn. The way life should be.

  • This speech must have taken a lot of work ! He didn’t even have an angry outburst once. I’m sure his Psychiatrist was pleased….as for me….I’m sure everything he said at this speech is just as true as everything he said to get elected. Maine’s problem attracting business will linger for at least 3 more yrs. It will be interesting to watch how deep the ****pile gets by then.

    • Anonymous

      The meds were kicking in 

  • Patten_Pete

    Wind power will send Maine’s high energy costs FAR FAR higher.

    Wind power is just a scam that lines the pockets of Baldacci cronies like his former Chief of Staff Kurt Adams who took over $ 1million in stock options from future employer First Wind while Chairman of the PUC! While there, Adams greased the skids for the $1.5 billion CMP transmission upgrade. It is needed solely for Balacci’s wind friends who without it are dead in the water with their big plans to fleece us. Yet Baldacci and company said it was needed for reliability because our lines were old. BULL. They were and are fine and if Baldacci ever paid a CMP bill he’d know we all pay a monthly charge for maintenance.

    Of course when Kurt Adams, who had been interviewing with First Wind for months while running the PUC was hired by First Wind, he comes aboard as Director of Transmission. Is there no shame?

    Meanwhile, Baldacci tells us not to worry for we only will pay our 8% share of the ISO-NE grid on the $1.5 billion. But he neglects to tell us that we will also pay the same 8% on the $30 billion of similar wind-required transmission across the New England grid. That is an extra $4,500 per Maine ratepayer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    BULL, that wind power does not increase costs.

    Read all about this Kurt Adams tale at the Maine Center for Public Interest Reporting

    http://pinetreewatchdog.org/20

    and

    http://pinetreewatchdog.org/20

    and

    http://pinetreewatchdog.org/20

    Glad Governor LePage is cleaning things up in Augusta.

    • Anonymous

      $4500 per rate payer?  That math ain’t right dude.  How did you figure that?

      • Patten_Pete

        8% Maine ISO-NE “Fair” Share times the aforementioned $30 billion across ISO-NE for wind required transmission = $2.4 billion.

        Then divide that by approximate number of ratepayers including households (not persons) and businesses. It’s about $4,500 per ratepayer, give or take.

        You don’t divide by persons, but ratepaying entities.

        • Anonymous

          The problem with that figure is it isn’t a year, or two.  It is over the life of the project.  Right now the figure that you use is the point at which Maine rate payers lose their price advantage.    Only $2 billion is being  proposed for Maine, and that figure will likely be 1.5B.  Over thirty years that $4500 is only $150 per year and that  $4500 is a high number to start.

          • Patten_Pete

            It’s not a high number to start with. If anything it”s closer to $5,000.

            Why should I care whether the ratepayer gets screwed for $5,000 in one year or it takes 30 years. Don’t be so free with my money.

            The point also is we were LIED TO about why this MPRP grid upgrade is “needed” in the first place.

            It’s needed fowr wind so a tiny handful of thieves can steal subsidy money from the taxpayer who also is the ratepayer.

          • Patten_Pete

            And it doesn’t matter what is proposed for Maine. It’s the $30 billion figure for the grid times its 8%.

  • Anonymous

    Using facts? Get ready to be accused of having a liberal bias. 

    • Anonymous

      Aw, come on, use your mind a little. Just because something is a fact does not mean it cannot be spun to serve an agenda. It’s all in the facts you choose to use and how you present them. It’s context.

      I’ve been accused of being a complete Republican schill–and I am. I know how to use facts to present an argument. And I can see when others do the same.

  • Anonymous

    No mention of any possible connection between large tax cuts and large budget shortfall . . .

    • Anonymous

      There isn’t a connection as the budget shortfall is here today, and the tax cuts have not even taken effect yet….Although judging by your comment and others like it, the press and the Democrats have done a great PR job of selling the connection.

      • Anonymous

        And yet, and yet . . .

        Cutting state revenues when the Chicken Little crowd already claims the state is broke?

  • Anonymous

    Typical, Paul was awesome, and now the libs want to knitpick. Sad.  GO GET EM PAUL

  • Anonymous

    Instead of constantly criticizing Lepage, why don’t you come up with some solutions of your own and stop writing like a boor.

  • Anonymous

    this isn’t fact checking (not a one was found to be in error), it is rhetorical fault finding by a biased paper.  The writer went out of his way to try to take exception to each statement reported.

    An example of political bias: ”
    “Let me tell you this. No matter what anybody says, $20,000 is not rich,” the governor said.

    Some Democrats have said the tax cut benefits the rich, even though
    many House and Senate Democrats signed onto the budget bill that
    included the cuts. The truth is that it benefits everybody who earns
    more than $20,000. The difference, of course, is that people who make
    $200,000 will see a bigger tax reduction than someone who makes $20,000.

    According to Maine Revenue Services, a household that makes about
    $20,000 will see taxes drop by about $17 a year. For the top 1 percent
    of all Maine earners, the average savings would be about $2,800 a year.”

    So what’s your point? Is it that a rate reduction should be applied unequally such that it doesn’t effect those that make over 20K a year?  Of course an across the board % change results in a gross benefit greater to a higher tax payer than a lower one.  And it should, he paid much more to start with. It’s called math!
    The reality is that the average income per household in Maine is about 40K, consequently it is the average Maine taxpayer, and there are far more of them than 200K earners hence the average, that the rate reduction benefits the most. 
    I recommend the BDN read the PPH to understand the point. 

    See, http://www.pressherald.com/opinion/lepages-tax-reform-plan-helps-almost-every-mainer-pay-less_2011-05-30.html

    • Anonymous

      Eric may argue that nothing he wrote isn’t true and he’s right. But a reporter has a choice on what facts to present–and that is where bias creeps in. Your comment is right on. Obviously, the point we are to take from this part of the article is that the amount of money being given back to lower income workers is so small, that we ought not to bother with a tax cut at all.

      From there it is not a large leap to say, hey–taxpayers could probably afford a 1 cent increase in the sales tax so that people will not suffer. After all, it will only  cost the average low income individual another $17 dollars a year….right? Where does it end?

      The best part of LePage’s speech in my opinion was when he lauded his tax cuts and said “I will return” for more cuts!

  • Guest

    Got a little too close to the truth and had to pull the comment, eh Eric?  

  • Anonymous

    Yes: Let’s put gridlock aside…and in LIEpage’s world that means YOU VILL DO ZAZ I ZAY!!!!

    • Anonymous

      I LOLed when I heard him say “gridlock” – he has a GOP majority in the Legislature that supported all his vetoes.

      The man is a real comedian

      yessah

  • Guest

    I guess we will see

  • Anonymous

    evidently reporter Russell does not realize that Maine already is saddled with mandatory wind power quotas. The Governor, in his speech, meant he is opposed to increasing the expensive 10% mandate to a 30% mandate as called for by the wind power corporations and their political allies in Maine in their petition that ask Maine people to support the enormous wind power based rate increases.

  • Anonymous

    I think everyone here, including a lefty like me does not think $20,000 (10 bucks an hour) is rich.  That being said, saving $17 bucks a year (32 cents per week) isn’t a burden.  A lot of this crisis was exacerbated by the tax cut the governor imposed.  Just like Wisconsin:  There was no deficit until Scott Walker cut taxes.  Just like G W Bush: there was no deficit until he cut taxes.  Oh, for all those debt hawks out there, when Clinton left office, the projected Debt of the nation was to be paid off by 2015.  Instead it is 14 trillion.  The Bush legacy.

    • Actually in Wisconsin:

      Big Labor’s Wisconsin Vendetta

      Walker’s reforms are saving money, which unions cannot forgive.

      Tuesdays 01/24/12  WSJ editorial.. 

      PS – not one of the deficits mentioned were caused by tax cuts – may or may not accelerated deficits 

      • Anonymous

        The tax cuts exacerbated a problem.  Period.  As far as Bush goes, the tax cuts did create a deficit.  That is like telling your wife, don’t worry honey, we just won’t put the car payment in the budget.  Cash flow is cash flow.  You spend more than you take in, you will have a deficit.  If you inherit a $10 trillion debt, two wars and Medicaid plan designed to break the bank, it takes a lot of work to right the ship. 

  • Anonymous

    BDN-Would you provide me the links to  prior Governor bashing that was done by your newspaper?  I don’t recall a newspaper being so obvious about who they support.  This I find offensive and I am considering not renewing my subscription.

    • Anonymous

      Said author needs to remove his head from said authors rump.  Or, considering puting a window in his stomach so he can see where he’s going.  I cancelled,  BDN’s a rag.  

  • Anonymous

    How restraining
    order abuse became rampant and why they’re unconstitutional….. 

    A restraining order begins with an ex-parte (hearing where defendent is
    not informed or present) proceeding where a coached affidavit is
    affirmed to meet the subjective fear component defined as abuse.  I say
    “coached” because the clerk reading the affidavit will give legal advice
    telling women what they need to say to get their request granted by the
    judge.   Due process is supposed to include an examination of the risk of erroneous
    deprivation due to the process used and the use (or lack) of procedural
    safeguards to prevent such deprivation.  In fact, a restraining order
    not only ignores the possibility of erroneous deprivation, it also
    sometimes SPECIFIES deprivation of specific property without notice or
    hearing.  The resulting “temporary” civil order magically becomes the
    basis for a crime merely upon a subsequent assertion from the
    “protected” entity a violation has occurred.   And if this were not
    already bad enough,  DV advocates are not happy with having to wait for
    an ubiquitous civil order to be violated to become a crime,  they prefer
    to lock men up immediately by calling the domestic dispute
    “terrorizing.”   It’s easier to get bail restrictions, property
    deprivations, and re-incarcerations added to this part of the
    statutes.   This is what the Governor is getting hooked into.   Don’t do
    it, Paul, you’ll be sorry! 

    There isn’t room enough in a whole newspaper to say what is wrong with
    current domestic violence amelioration policy.  Rebuking paternal
    society is not the solution.   Rewarding misguided victim feminists is
    not the path to fixing these problems.  

  • Anonymous

    Thank you BDN and Eric Russel for pointing out the facts about Maine’s comparatively LOW electricity rates for commercial and industrial users.

    Efficiency and renewables will help to keep them low.

  • Anonymous

    Did anyone EVER fact check Baldacci??

    • Guest

      Yes, but he was green and now has a great retirement package.
      The liberal base just loves to rip on an unpolished guy that tells it like it is, is not afraid to be the bull in the china shop and has to make the difficult decisions to fix the mistakes brought on from years of tax & spend liberal rule.

  • Anonymous

    This is weird. I checked two newspaper archive databases with
    the search terms “Baldacci state of state fact check” and got no results
    back from either search. It’s almost as though they’re treating the
    Republican governor differently than the Democrat.

    If I’m wrong, BDN staff, please let me know.  It does seem strange, though.

    • Baldacci did not do Maine any favors, but he did not lie every time his lips moved.

      • Anonymous

        Cute response, but your opinion doesn’t invalidate the press’ responsibility to treat all elected officials the same, regardless of party.  If the BDN never fact-checked Baldacci’s speeches and only decided to start this exercise when LePage was elected, I would think that even anti-LePage partisans would have enough intellectual honesty to see what a problem that is for their credibility as a news organization.

        Or perhaps I’m giving the anti-LePage types too much credit?

  • Anonymous

    the tax cut is a good thing but i would like to see the bigger cut going to the middle and lower end of the wage scale as to the top end but if we did that we would have no one paying taxes so i guess we will bear the burden once again.if lawmakers raised taxes on the upper end their career probably would be short lived.

  • Thanks Eric for pointing out more lies from LePage

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