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  • Anonymous

    John Edwards, Donna Twombly:  good letters.

  • Anonymous

    Correct me if I’m mistaken, but Governor LePage hasn’t said that people who qualify for food stamps are on welfare, and they aren’t.  They’re only on welfare if they’re taking the food stamps.

  • Guest

    JohnEdwards:  Good letter.  I fear the concept of self reliance and responbility will confuse many of the BDN readers.

    Donna:  Mindless dribble.Go Occupy Pittsfield 

    Jim Clair:  Where there is smoke…..Maine Turnpike, DHHS, Maine Housing  
    The relationships are incestous in this state.  An intended consequence of Democratic party rule for 30+ years

    • Anonymous

      Responsibility is just fine, but one of the very purposes of government is to help those who help themselves.  And most people do.  You folks like to say “pull yourself up by your own bootstraps.”  Well, some people are handed the boots from day one while others are not.  How about your silver spooned buddy Flip Romney?  How self reliant is he?  His daddy was a multi millionaire, and yet he goes around talking about being “a working man who has had a a real job” bla bla bla.  Yeah right.  And he won’t show is tax returns because he and so many other silver spooners use tax loopholes like crazy to pay minimal taxes.  Gee, how “self reliant” is that?  And how purely “self reliant” are those in business who benefit from good roads and bridges, public safety services, investments in education and healthcare so that they can hire literate and skilled workers who are healthy, etc. etc.  Don’t like government?  Good.  Don’t use the roads, don’t send your kids or grandkids to public schools or let them play on public sports teams, don’t use public parks like Baxter and Acadia, don’t use publicly subsized arenas of any kind, and don’t call the fire department when your house catches fire.  Also, don’t collect Social Security, don’t ever use Medicare, don’t use the US postal service, and don’t use the public sewer and water treatment systems.  Just stand there all alone and screech about how “self reliant” you are in your right wing vaccum and chant about how much you despise all those horrible public services I have just listed.  Or, dump the hypocrisy.

    • Anonymous

      Responsibility is just fine, but one of the very purposes of government is to help those who help themselves.  And most people do.  You folks like to say “pull yourself up by your own bootstraps.”  Well, some people are handed the boots from day one while others are not.  How about your silver spooned buddy Flip Romney?  How self reliant is he?  His daddy was a multi millionaire, and yet he goes around talking about being “a working man who has had a a real job” bla bla bla.  Yeah right.  And he won’t show is tax returns because he and so many other silver spooners use tax loopholes like crazy to pay minimal taxes.  Gee, how “self reliant” is that?  And how purely “self reliant” are those in business who benefit from good roads and bridges, public safety services, investments in education and healthcare so that they can hire literate and skilled workers who are healthy, etc. etc.  Don’t like government?  Good.  Don’t use the roads, don’t send your kids or grandkids to public schools or let them play on public sports teams, don’t use public parks like Baxter and Acadia, don’t use publicly subsized arenas of any kind, and don’t call the fire department when your house catches fire.  Also, don’t collect Social Security, don’t ever use Medicare, don’t use the US postal service, and don’t use the public sewer and water treatment systems.  Just stand there all alone and screech about how “self reliant” you are in your right wing vaccum and chant about how much you despise all those horrible public services I have just listed.  Or, dump the hypocrisy.

  • Anonymous

    DONNA,
    Just like other liberal;s your not listening. No one has a problem helping the WORKING poor or retired folks. The problem is with those between 20 and 60 who just make up ailments to get on disability, and the rest who won’t work, then add in all the ones that missed out on sex ed and think having kids has no responsibility. If we cut all these off then the real needy would get all they need and more. Cut the millions of schemers now!

    BILLY,
    I agree with your too many laws statement, but the flip side of that is, if you injure or take a life by because you are distracted then mandatory prison sentences should awaits you. There is no such thing as distracted  accidents.

    • Anonymous

      What simplistic observations.

      • Anonymous

        This your first time reading one of AMC’s comments? lol.

      • Anonymous

        It allows the liberal educated populace with no common sense to have an opportunity to understand conservative talk filled with common sense facts. It obviously works.

        • Anonymous

          Odd, I thought the simplistic statements you generally make show that conservatives sorts like yourself are merely bigotted.

      • Anonymous

        deleted an inappropriate comment.

    • Anonymous

      Liberal…liberal…liberal…bla bla bla bla bla bla…   Such windbaggery as channeled from the likes of the ultra college dropout drug using windbag OxyHeadRushLimpmind.  How many people are “making up injuries to get on disability”?  Where are your numbers?  You paint with a very broad brush.  How you people can constantly attack working people and poor people, insist they should have no rights to even bargain for decent wages and benefits, pit Mainer and against Mainer, and then worship at the alter of your 1%er corporate masters who make it their life’s work to destroy the middle class is truly unAmerican, unChristian, and unPatriotic.  LePage is a walking embarassment, and the Maine GOP will find out just how greatly he and their horrid policies are distained come November.

      • Anonymous

        Do you have any thing positive or useful to say?

        • Anonymous

          He did say something positive and useful.  He said conservative philosophy was positively mean and self destructive and it would be useful if we voted out LePage.

          • Anonymous

            With that warped mentality, the people calling you and Obama socialists and want to destroy the US is also positive.

            While I believe that both of you believe that you are doing the right thing, I do believe that you have never thought out what you are saying. The path that you want the US to go will just cause the only place people can, or at least could, to be free and better off.

            Our system may not be perfect, but it is the best system that mankind has ever devised.

          • Anonymous

            and your last statement is why i believe these anti-American progressives will soon be stuffed into their progressive closets

    • Anonymous

      You’re right. Part of the problem, though, is that the laws are different for adults and adolescents. At least in Maine, adults can be convicted only if the texting causes an accident, while youth can be arrested simply for texting. I agreed there should be restrictions (I also have a tendency to freak out at people who text while they’re driving me), but there are two problems with this system.It’s impossible to enforce texting while driving if it doesn’t cause an accident. Making a law that can’t be enforced is essentially asking adolescents to obey the law out of the goodness of their hearts. Parents do the same thing, often with the same results. They need a better reason.

      • Anonymous

        When someone dies while texting when they are driving it raises the intellegence of the country. The sin of it is when others are killed or when everyone else has to pay for their stupidity.

  • Anonymous

    Why is it every time the words “working poor” are used everyone is supposed to feel that some one other than the “working poor” are responsible for thier situation. Are the words “personal responsibility” no longer allowed to be used. Qiut school, have a couple of kids you can’t afford, a half dozen bad relationships, and the rest of the state should insure you’re taken care of.

    • Anonymous

      As the minimum wage was higher, adjusted for inflation, 40 years ago, I suggest that the failure to raise it has far more to do with working people being poor.

      • Anonymous

        I suggest you don’t know the effects of a high minimum wage.

        • Anonymous

          Yes, the money that used to be used to help the wages keep pace with inflation is much better off getting moldy in some safe on Wall Street. My small business is much more profitable when my customers, the local workers, are living hand to mouth. In 1961 JFK signed a bill that raised the minimum wage to $1.50 an hour. If that minimum wage was just keeping pace with inflation, it should be around $14 an hour in 2012, not $7.50. The top 1% have seen their wealth explode by 300% in the last 20 years alone, thanks to lower wages and “free” trade. American workers and American small businesses have shouldered the brunt of this inequity and continue to do so. Low wages benefit the super wealthy and no one else.

          • Anonymous

            Are you, as a small business owner, paying your lowest level employees $14 per hour?

            What would happen if you were forced to?

          • Anonymous

            A living wage in Penobscot County is $8.41 for one adult, $27.45 for two adults, two children. So both parents working would have to make $14.23 in full time jobs just to make ends meet. A living wage covers basics only. Can you see why the income gaps is growing wider by the day?  Few good paying, full-time jobs for too many families. Want the reasons why? Bill Moyers has come out of retirement to tell you why: http://billmoyers.com . Did you know those ‘good’ jobs returning to Millinockett start at $12 per hour. So two parents working full time will not be able to make ends meet in those jobs. Millinockett will continue to be economically depressed.

          • Anonymous

            Many if not most minimum wage jobs are performed by high school kids. I expect you have no idea what you are talking about. If a job deserves to be at a higher rate the market will demand it.

          • Anonymous

            Half of America is now considered below the poverty level Cheesecake. I do not think that minimum wage jobs are just for high school kids anymore. Between the cheap Chinese option and the cheap illegal immigrant option, the American worker and American small business does not stand a chance. The new corporate mantra is ” work for less, or we will get an illegal to do it for half, and if that doesn’t increase our profits enough, we will pack up the whole operation and move it to China”. Obscene greed has always led to bloodshed in the 5,000 years of recorded history, but I am sure this time will be different! lol.

          • Anonymous

            It might be time for the kids to get out there and start pulling a shift! lol. We are the first generation of Americans to have a lower standard of living than our parents did. We can thank “free” trade and plain old greed for that.

          • Anonymous

            I am an army of one currently, but I have had employees in the past and always payed a living wage. The failure of wages, not just the minimum, to keep pace with inflation is largely responsible for the lopsided wealth distribution in this country today. A perfect example is ChinaMart. The 6 Walton heirs are now worth $96 billion, or 93, 000 million. Yet their average employee earns just $13,600, or less than half the federal poverty level. The Waltons now possess more wealth than the bottom 96 million Americans. This should be sending up flags everywhere, but it doesn’t.

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          • Anonymous

            Small business is the backbone of the economy.  Corprotisim is what is dragging us down by locking up the flow of capital.  Buy American.  Even if it is more expensive and harder to find because those American Brands are made overseas.  You got to reasearch to find things made in USA factories by USA workers.  The only way to turn this economy around is by a “revoloution” of consumers who make it a point to support our economy.  It ain’t going to be easy.  Or inexpensive.  We have to demand living wages to be able to do it or walk off the job.  And still refuse to buy “chinamart”.   It can happen.  Reform the unions.  Force them to be honest in bargaining. 

          • Anonymous

            Agreed.

          • Anonymous

            That might be true but many small business exist merely because of the minimum wage which is determined by what business can afford to pay for the job not what government says it should pay.

          • Anonymous

            Sometimes it is necessary for our government to help keep the playing field level for the sake of the workers. If they didn’t, we would be back to a sweat shop mentality where we are just glad to have any low wage job. Oh, wait…

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          • Anonymous

            Just curious, how does putting some people out of business help level the playing field?

          • Anonymous

            Half our population is now considered poor Cheesecake. The failure of wages to keep pace with inflation is largely responsible for this. I think turning “free” trade into fair trade would be a start to leveling the playing field. If requiring businesses to pay a living wage puts them under, then it was just a matter of time anyway. I have always made it a point to pay my people a living wage. Even if it meant less profit for me. I could never stomach the thought of people who help make me successful having to depend on government cheese to survive. Obviously, that does not bother big corporate America and some small business owners. My distant relative, Teddy Roosevelt, once said it best. “America can only be a great place to live if it is a little great for everyone”. 

        • pbmann

          More people with more money buying more stuff causing more stuff to be needed which means more jobs to make more stuff to be bought with more money. 

          Isn’t that called supply and demand economics unlike voodoo Reaganomics which has not worked for the past 30 years.

          • Anonymous

            More people spending more money given to them by the government will only waste money, every cent given to someone by Any level of government has cost the taxpayer  two to three cents

          • pbmann

            Totally irrelevent to what I posted.  I was talking of an increase in minimun wage not an increase of state aid. 

            Way to pull a bogus stat out from nowhere.

            One trick ponies get old fast.

          • Anonymous

            Do the math yourself. I’ve gone through this before but I’ll repeat it again for the slow.

            The federal government collects money (taxes) and distributes it after taking its share (30-50 %) gives it to State Governments which then take its share (again 30 – 50%) and distributes it to lower levels of government which also have their administrative costs to
            further diminish the funding to do what it was collected to do.

          • pbmann

            Again with the bogus stats.  If you want to base an argument on stats then at least find some real stats not just numbers you pull out of your head to prove your point.

            As for the slow of mind, they have no problem keeping up with and debunking your simplistic arguments.

          • Anonymous

            Tax rates are common knowledge.

          • Anonymous

            I guess I am not certain what your point is. I think you are attacking what Reagan said in one breath and supporting it in another.

          • pbmann

            Voodoo economics, Reaganomics or Supply Side Econonics (As Republicans call it) is the theory that if you make it people will buy it no matter the demand which is how the US economy has been run the past 30 years and it is a failure.

            You asked what the effects of a high minimum wage is and I replied with ‘More people with more money buying more stuff causing more stuff to be needed which means more jobs to make more stuff to be bought with more money.’

          • Anonymous

            That is absolutly stupid. just because you make something there is absolutly no law of any reason for people to purchase it.

            As for the last thirty years being a failure, the only thing that has failed is Federal Government control of the economy.

          • pbmann

            That is exactly why Reaganomics does not work and is the main reason we are in the mess we are in.  Only in the minds of far right ditto heads is there any government control of the economy.

          • Anonymous

            You just keep showing that you are numb as a pounded thumb.

            What does not work is Democratnomics. Never has never will.

          • pbmann

            Define Democratnomics. if you can. 

            I had to define Reaganonomics (the economic bible to Republicans) to you so I am thinking you will have trouble with your made up economic theory.

          • Anonymous

            You are incorrect. The government does in fact control the economy. In ways that have escaped you I bet.
            Let’s list just a few:
            Federal Reserve: The Federal Reserve System has both private and public components, and
            was designed to serve the interests of both the general public and
            private bankers. The result is a structure that is considered unique
            among central banks.

            Recent new powers are given to this quasi-government agency through the Consumer Protection agency which does not report to Congress yet has the power to review every financial transaction right down to your debit card swipe at the convenience store.

            IRS: The effects of the IRS should be obvious, but in case they aren’t, the government through this agency controls the economy by giving tax breaks to some but not to others. The highly progressive tax system stifles some and favors others.

            The Government still owns at my last measure six months ago, 500 million shares of General Motors.

            Though Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and Ginnie Mae the federal government controls 90% or so of all new mortgage loans.

            The government controls and originates most student loans. There are a few private ones mostly wealthy people and their personal bankers.

            In 2010 the state federal and municipal governments  spent 42% of  of GDP. Translated that means 4 out of every 10 dollars came direct from the government. 
            http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/us_20th_century_chart.html

            We haven’t even got into the regulatory agencies yet.

          • Anonymous

            Higher wages also drive up the price of what you can buy. That does a number of things but driving inflation now could, especially when the government has high debt, set off high inflation.You don’t want what we are setting ourselves up for.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_in_the_Weimar_Republic

          • pbmann

            Using the inflation of the Weimar Republic is foolish.  The problems of the Weimar Republic had to do with the unrealistic and viscious punishments and demands placed on the German nation after WW1 which caused all of the problems associated with a devastated country. 

            Seeing as wages for the working man in this country have not improved since 1980 , accounting for inflation, why has the cost of everything gone up so much more?  Could it be because of the greed of the very rich and unscrupulous corporations who have done all they can to keep working wages low?

          • Anonymous

            Those demands on the Germans were caused high government debt to the allies. The Germans were forced to pay that debt… much like we have now.

        • Anonymous

          You really shouldn’t try to discuss economic policy until you can bring some real knowledge to the table instead of the usual mean spirited and ugly nonsense of the ultra-conservative.

          • Anonymous

            I suggest that you are a person that lives off the state social welfare system and whose income in some fashion depends on it and therefore hasn’t the first idea of what real economics is.

          • pbmann

            The first sign of a person losing the argument is name calling, demonizing or putting down the other person.  I guess we know who is losing this argument.

          • Anonymous

            So who exactly made personal attacks first?

          • Anonymous

            LOL ……… you have not a clue, do you?

        • Anonymous

          Actually, the most thorough studies of the impact of increases in the minimum wage show that a 10 % raise in the minimum wage has either no effect on the number of minimum wage workers employed or, at maximum, a decrease of about 1 %.  The benefits, in contrast, flow not just to those employed at a higher minimum wage, but to those above them on the pay scale who see their wages rise by a similar per cent.  The sixties were hardly a time of high unemployment; the minimum wage was at its peak then, adjusted for inflation.

          • Anonymous

            I suggest that you provide these studies with a link and prove them to be unbiased and not have a political agenda, otherwise you statement is just crap.

          • Anonymous

            In the spirit of Proverbs 15:1 (“A gentle answer turns away wrath.”), I refer you to David Neumark of the Center for Economics and Public Policy at the University of California at Irvine, who was interviewed about this subject on NPR on 1-3-12 and talked about the consensus of most studies, including his.  
              I trust that your recognition of the need to look for bias in studies makes you a firm believer in the role of CO2 emissions in climate change, as the few scientists who have called the scientific consensus into question have been funded, directly or indirectly, from corporations who benefit from unrestricted CO2 emissions.

          • Anonymous

            How can you assume what my beliefs are regarding climate change? I have made no comments on it ever in my posts.
            If you read my posts you will never/rarely see me post on Gays, Gay marriage, climate change, address abortion directly (peripheral freedom issues maybe), and several other sometimes contentious topics.

            As for bias in studies,some including economics seem to have decided a conclusion for their “study” long before the study is completed. The best laboratory is the market place. If the business either pays too little then it loses workers, if it pays too much then it goes out of business. Your “study” seems to advocate the government determining what wages should be. That is a sure method of making things difficult for small business. I wonder if the higher minimum wage in Maine (than the national average) contributes to our higher than normal poverty rate? (I know there are many factors involved)

            The thing about economists is that they tend to not believe that the economy is a moving target. What works and is true in one business cycle may not work and be true in the next.

          • Anonymous

            How can you assume what my beliefs are regarding climate change? I have made no comments on it ever in my posts.
            If you read my posts you will never/rarely see me post on Gays, Gay marriage, climate change, address abortion directly (peripheral freedom issues maybe), and several other sometimes contentious topics.

            As for bias in studies,some including economics seem to have decided a conclusion for their “study” long before the study is completed. The best laboratory is the market place. If the business either pays too little then it loses workers, if it pays too much then it goes out of business. Your “study” seems to advocate the government determining what wages should be. That is a sure method of making things difficult for small business. I wonder if the higher minimum wage in Maine (than the national average) contributes to our higher than normal poverty rate? (I know there are many factors involved)

            The thing about economists is that they tend to not believe that the economy is a moving target. What works and is true in one business cycle may not work and be true in the next.

          • pbmann

            Is that why you hardly ever have a link for your posts?  Because you can’t find one without a hard right bias?

    • Anonymous

      Your opinions about the working poor are not borne out by statistics.   Your condemnation is inaccurate and uncalled for.

      What’s really irresponsible are people like you  and the rest of your conservative friends  focusing your anger and anxiety on a segment of the society that is totally undeserving of your hate.  

      Take some personal responsibility yourself and read something intelligent about economic  and social theory, US history and some factual statistics instead of  right wing propaganda and blogs.

      • Anonymous

        Provide data for yourself before asking it from someone else

        • pbmann

          How about you provide some data.

          • Anonymous

            What would you like me to provide data on? This  poster is very demanding of others but offers nothing but her opinion. That is ok but demanding data from others and excusing herself should be pointed out.

  • Guest

    That’s funny ; )

  • Anonymous

     The working poor are  the hardest workers I know. They work long hours for low pay(the pay many think is beneath them) because at least they have a job or for some, two jobs. They don’t get or take vacations, don’t take days off, go in when they are sick since they can’t afford the time off and don’t have health insurance to cover any doctor visits. The ones that put their pride aside and ask for help for their family are demonized by public perception and then told by DHHS that they make too much money for assistance anyway.
    To tell these people to pull up the bootstraps and work hard that they too can have the good life, is unrealistic. Many have been living this way their whole life and know better. Life doesn’t work that way. For some yes, but not for all.

    • Anonymous

      Well said.

    • Anonymous

      Bravo! Well said. Many years ago I was among the working poor. Back then it truly was possible in America to raise yourself up by the bootstraps. When people worked 2 jobs then, one was full time and the other part time. I was young and tried to get by on a few hours of sleep. At night I cleaned up after incontinent people in nursing homes. By day I cleaned up the homes of the upper middle class. I did that as long as I physically held out. Eventually I was able to get an education for my future. That’s the way capitalism is supposed to work. The rich have the luxury to invest their wealth and reap dividends while the poor can work their way up into the middle class. Today’s economy doesn’t afford the poor a way to work out of poverty. Yet the rich continue to hale capitalism because it works for them. Corporations only have a fiduciary duty to the corporation and its investors. Perhaps it’s time for a new model: one that includes a duty to the working people whose efforts enrich and benefit the corporation, whether these people work for the corporation or they’re consumers of its goods and services.

    • Anonymous

      That is all crap and is telling people that they have no hope to better themselves a is a  lie .  You are a divider not a uniter and stand against everything that America stands for.

      You have no idea what life is. You stand for the demolishment of hope not for for it. You are a danger and are probably a college kid who doesn’t understand the implications of what you say.

      • Anonymous

        It isn’t all crap. Your comments about me  goes to show how quickly people jump to conclusions about someone without a clue to who they are.

      • Anonymous

        Well cheeszy looks like more people like what Myamya says better than your ugly world outlook. 

        • Anonymous

          What would you expect after people telling them they can’t do anything on their own without some sort of government input.

           There are opportunities all over the place… I see them go by everyday. I have three self created jobs right now. It just easier for some to take a handout and blame someone else or conversely benefit from a system that gives the handout.

           I bet you are on the side that gives the handouts and benefit from large numbers of hopeless people. Keep telling them they can’t succeed and you get what you wish for.

  • Anonymous

    Responsibility is just fine, but one of the very purposes of government is to help those who help themselves.  And most people do.  You folks like to say “pull yourself up by your own bootstraps.”  Well, some people are handed the boots from day one while others are not.  How about your silver spooned buddy Flip Romney?  How self reliant is he?  His daddy was a multi millionaire, and yet he goes around talking about being “a working man who has had a a real job” bla bla bla.  Yeah right.  And he won’t show is tax returns because he and so many other silver spooners use tax loopholes like crazy to pay minimal taxes.  Gee, how “self reliant” is that?  And how purely “self reliant” are those in business who benefit from good roads and bridges, public safety services, investments in education and healthcare so that they can hire literate and skilled workers who are healthy, etc. etc.  Don’t like government?  Good.  Don’t use the roads, don’t send your kids or grandkids to public schools or let them play on public sports teams, don’t use public parks like Baxter and Acadia, don’t use publicly subsized arenas of any kind, and don’t call the fire department when your house catches fire.  Also, don’t collect Social Security, don’t ever use Medicare, don’t use the US postal service, and don’t use the public sewer and water treatment systems.  Just stand there all alone and screech about how “self reliant” you are in your right wing vaccum and chant about how much you despise all those horrible public services I have just listed.  Or, dump the hypocrisy.

    • Anonymous

      Not that I disagree with you on that point; however, that is not the case just on the right aisle. Most politicians, left or right, have money. Although those on the left do seem to be fighting for the middle class and poor, I question their sincerity, don’t you? If they are so sincere, so determined to stop the injustices against the real people of this country, how did we end up in the position that we are in? 

      You know how? They are full of baloney! 

      • Anonymous

        We ended up in this position by fighting an unfunded war that had no reason other than making the upper crust wealthier.  We should never have gone into Iraq.  The reason we went, Weapons of Mass Destruction were never found because they did not exist.  They were trumped up so our young soldiers could make the super rick, like Cheney, wealthier.

        • Anonymous

          We have been in trouble for a hundred years .

          The US has been in many wars that we had no reason to be inor chance to win including the war on drugs, the war on poverty and the war on terrorism.

      • Anonymous

        How did we end up in the position we are in today?

        How about eight years of irresponsible war mongering,  tax cutting for the wealthy and ignoring the chicanery of the financial world?

        • Anonymous

          We ended up here because of more than a hundred years of government help.

          • Anonymous

            Larry, that’s what government is supposed to do: help.   Help build the transportation systems we need, the educational systems, the communication systems, public health, security, police, fire protection, consumer protection, dams, levees, libraries:  those things that make us civilized.  

          • Anonymous

            Absolutly not, the government is there to allow us to help ourselves and others personally.

            There is no way the government can provide for everyone, there is too much inherant waste in the governmant.

            The best governmentcan do is to provide for COMMON welfare such as roads, defense, safety and so forth. Protecting individuals from themselves can not be done by any level of government. Personal responsibility is the only way to keep society safe.

          • Anonymous

            I do agree with here. I do not want government to provide for everyone….. well, except roads, schools, libraries, parks AND an economic environment that gives everyone an opportunity to take care of themselves. Then and only then can you point the finger of personal responsibility.  If all that is offered is public assistance wages you have a corporation’s wage structure subsidized by taxpayers. If you want someone to work for you, then you have an obligation to society to pay them a living wage.

          • Anonymous

             Name one of the things I mentioned that isn’t for the common welfare.

          • pbmann

            You have absolutely no idea of what you talk about. 

            There were no, zero, zip, nada social programs prior to the Great Depression which happened in the 1930’s.  Even a 5th grader knows that that was not 100 years ago.

          • Anonymous

            But the federal government was slowly taking control of things that the feds had no constitutional duty to control.

            As to what fifth graders know, the only things they know is what their teachers or parents have told them.

            You sir know absolutly nothing.

          • pbmann

            Maybe when you were a 5th grader you did not know that the 1930’s was less than 100 years ago. I, sir, on the other hand did know that and still do.

        • Anonymous

          Bill Moyers would agree with you. Did you see his show Friday night? It is online and excellent.

        • Anonymous

          Not to mention people like you.

        • Anonymous

          You have missed my point. Do you not feel that the democrats (as well as republicans) are responsible?

          • Anonymous

            Not a bit. Clinton left the country with  reasonably stable politics,   reasonably stable job growth, reasonably stable economy and substantial surplus.   Eight years later on day one of his administration Obama has a world class financial crisis, two inexplicable wars,  job losses in the millions, international resentment, and terrorism against the US on his hands.  You tell me, who’s responsible.

    • Anonymous

      I like that you repost this. The broken record approach is an excellent way to end the rantings of narcissistic spoiled children.

  • Anonymous

    i saw the movie reefer madness  too mR. Desisto is absolutely correct.

    POT IS THE ROOT 

    • Anonymous

      Pot is not the root, stupid people are the root.

      • Anonymous

        Yes i agree pot dumbs people down and makes them believe in the immoral an depraved . The gay the sick and demented

        • Anonymous

          I did not say that pot makes people stupid, I said that stupid [eople use mind altering materials.

  • Anonymous

    Jim Clair,   The fact that Joe Bruno eagerly participated in the discussion, and voting on things that sent millions of dollars to his family enterprises was highly unethical to say the least.

    The only reason it was not a crime, or otherwise illegal, is that legislators get to make the rules that they play by, and therules  favor them and not the taxpayers whose money they steal and throw away.

    Where I grew up, this unethical practice of using your position to distribute wealth to your family was callled…….stealing.

    It still is in my book. Joe Bruno has no business talking about “saving Dirigo money”.

  • Anonymous

    That comment will help further discussion. Actuallt ANYONE that gets financial help from the government is on welfare, by definition.

    We are all on some form of welfare, and that is how our “elected” officials want it.

    • Anonymous

      Direct your anger at the real Welfare Queens: Bank of America, Goldman Sachs, CitiGroup, AIG, and the other banksters.  The monies you might receive in military retirement, social security benefits, and subsidized home mortgage payments pale in comparison to what these Queens got from a President Bush and the Federal Reserve in 2008. 

      • Anonymous

        By EVERYONE I included subsidities given to not only people but businesses, farms, state, county, and local governments – everyone.

        • Anonymous

          Don’t leave out those citadels of socialism, the military, the highway departments and the police and fire departments.  In a dream tax-free society, you would be living in a place such as rural Afghanistan.

          • Anonymous

            Don’t be obtuse.

            “The military, the highway departments and the police and fire departments” are all legitimate functions of the government. It would be impossible for individuals to provide these services for themselves.

            How would individuals provide ANY of these services? The people providing these services are all paid for their labor, many of these people put their lives in jeopardy to provide these services. That is far from socialism.

      • Anonymous

        Yep, that come through pretty clearly in Friday night’s Bill Moyer’s intro investigation into why we are in the mess we are in.

        • Anonymous

          Moyers is irrelevant and has been for over a decade.

      • Anonymous

        You as usual only object to half the problem.

  • Aimee Gerbi

    Dear Mr. Edwards,

    If you have done ANY research into raw milk or other foods that can carry food borne illnesses, you would know that you are 10x MORE likely to get sick from deli meat (especially processed meats like bologna and hot dogs) than you are from raw milk from a clean, local dairy.  TEN TIMES more likely!!  Did you know that OVER 80% of the chicken sold in stores is contaminated with salmonella?  That is why the cooking instructions are so clearly stated–because it is practically a given that the bacteria is in there!  So yes, I will sign off the tax payers need to “care for me” should I get sick from my choices, if you will do the same.  How about every time you buy meat from Hannaford (which recently recalled meat that sickened 19 people in 7 states), YOU sign a bond that says medicare doesn’t have to take care of you!  How about every one who eats more than once a month at McDonalds has to sign a bond saying THEY are responsible for their choices and won’t hold me and my tax dollars accountable for their obesity, diabetes, high blood pressure, etc.  Do your research, sir, and make your own choice, but insinuating that people who choose good, clean, local, raw dairy products over processed filth are as clueless about their choices as people who ride motorcycles without helmets is insulting and ignorant.  Enjoy your dinner.    

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