Comments for: NH couple shot to death in car in Arizona

Posted Jan. 08, 2012, at 9:08 p.m.
Last modified Jan. 08, 2012, at 10:06 p.m.

PHOENIX — Arizona authorities said Sunday they had few clues in the killing of a New Hampshire man and woman found shot to death in their parked car near the scenic resort town of Sedona. The killings of James Johnson of Jaffrey and Carol Raynsford of Nelson, both 62, remain …

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  • Anonymous

    Another reason to avoid Arizona.  After all, to the locals a New Hampshire license plate indicates immigrants.  Have spent lots of time there in years past, but will never go back until there is a major change in government.

    • Anonymous

      What kind of change? I’ve been to Phoenix, and Sedona and it is a beautiful area. I thought the Sedona area was relatively laid back and  friendly, though Phoenix certainly had the feel of the massive metropolitan city that it is. It’s been a 5 or 6 years since I was there. I hadn’t heard Sedona was unsafe now. Hopefully the local paper will keep us updated on what happened if they find out. 

    • Anonymous

      You sound paranoid, I worked and lived in the Southwest for over a decade, including in Sedona and Flagstaff. I spent 3 months working in the canyon in question, as well as many other remote areas closer to the border, yet somehow I managed to avoid being accosted by illegal immigrants. Any chance it may have been two whites guys with a meth addiction? Just because someone is brown, doesn’t make them illegal? What about all the illegal Canadians here in Maine-do they bug you also? I don’t think Arizona will miss you.

      • Anonymous

        yes.

      • Anonymous

        Was this time you spent in that area within the last 4 or 5 years?

        • Anonymous

          Well you do have a point, it was 6 years ago that I worked in Arizona, but you can believe me that the same conversation was going on then as well. I do realize that there is a problem in the state, but I guess my point is that with 20% of the crimes in AZ being committed by illegals,  I don’t get why some people just assume that this was the case in this incident.  People were killed all over the country, at exactly the same time as these people, it happens. The illegal pop has been dropping in AZ over the past 4 years from 360,000 to around 283,000, just a hair more than Georgia for a sixth place finish, so it actually appears like there may have been more when I was there than there are now. Also, arrest at the border have dropped by close to 40% over the last year according to the Border Patrol in Tuscon. At least things are heading in the right direction.

          • Anonymous

            Yes I have several points  on this Matter. One would be that  about 100 miles from where this tragedy took place the Bureau of Land Management has posted signs warning  folks  that they are in..“active drug and human smuggling area” and they may encounter “armed
            criminals and smuggling vehicles traveling at high rates of speed.”
            So maybe  it is not much of a stretch  for folks to speculate that  a connection to this incident.
            More than 50,000 deaths ,Hundreds  of confirmed Kidnappings and countless (hundreds of thousands) of other violent acts perpetrated on American citizens by  Illegal aliens from Mexico.We have almost 500,000 (Half a million)Mexican citizens , here illegally, in our Federal prisons.A report by the US Government Accountability Office  states that between 2005 and 2010, there was a 7% increase in the number of foreign inmates in federal prisons,78 % of them from Mexico.  19 % of California prison inmates are Mexican Citizens,15.8 in Arizona  .  Your figures of  20% of the crimes in AZ being committed by illegals(7% of total A.Z population) is pretty close, but of all the prisoners serving time in Arizona state prisons for
            kidnapping, 40 percent were undocumented. Of those in prison on drug
            charges, 24 percent were undocumented. And 13 percent of those serving
            time for murder were undocumented immigrants, according to the new data from the Arizona Department of Corrections.
            The number of undocumented immigrants in Arizona state prisons has also grown in recent years. In December, 2004 there were 4,098 undocumented immigrants in the Arizona state prison population making up 12.6 percent according to state data. By June 2010 the number had increased to 15.8 percent for a total of 6,983 incarcerated undocumented immigrants.  So with the Bureau of Land Management posting warning signs  in  Parks within a 100 miles or so, it’s not a big leap to consider it might have been an Illegal as a culprit.

          • Anonymous

            Well it looks like they’d be wrong. Here’s the latest. “The Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office says 30-year-old Drew Ryan Maras is suspected of killing Deputy William Coleman at a north Phoenix medical building as the officer was answering a burglary call Sunday.
            Sheriff Joe Arpaio says investigators are awaiting ballistic results to determine whether Coleman and a New Hampshire couple found dead in their car near Sedona were killed by the same gunman. Similar guns are believed to have been used in both cases.” Maybe Drew is an illegal, but I doubt it?

            Your stats are great, but they only tell part of the story. Most of the crimes committed by illegals are done to other illegals or people working in the drug business, so not quite as scary when that is considered. Since 1995 violent  crime is down 43% in AZ, so despite these numbers, it still better than it was before the immigration boom. Nearly two-thirds of the 10.2 million unauthorized adult immigrants in the United States have lived in this country for at least 10 years, nearly half are parents of minor children, and 70,000 graduate from high schools each year. Not exactly frightening stuff to me. 

            I’ve spent a fair amount of time down around Organ Pipe NM, and also around Nogales, and have seen the warning signs you’ve mentioned. I ignored them, just like like I ignore the many signs of trouble when passing through, say Chester PA, Wichita KS, or for real fun try Tuba City AZ on the Navajo reservation. Ever been? I dare you to walk through any of these places at night, despite the lack of scary illegals, they are rather dangerous? I’m sorry to disagree with you, but there are pleny of scary places in America, and I just don’t find the Arizona desert to be one of them. I’m not for an open border or anything, and do realize that the illegal population can be costly and at times dangerous, but I also don’t listen to fear-mongering politicians.

          • Anonymous

            I don’t think Drew Ryan Maras is illegal as he served in the military.  Some people just like to have a bogeyman to be scared of and ‘illegals’ or those who have brown skin will surely frighten those folks.  I grew up in Texas and have seen plenty of hispanics.  They are like everyone else – some good some bad.  Since 9/11 there has been an increase of fear and in my opinion there are some who are just scared of brown skinned people.  It’s just sad.

          • Anonymous

            Yea, I was just being sarcastic. I figured there aren’t too many illegals named Drew unless from Canada. I’ll admit that I haven’t known many illegals, but the one’s I did were all construction workers who would come to UT and AZ to work long hard hours doing manual labor, live in a craphole apartment with 10 others, gathered around a camp stove at lunch to heat beans and tortillas up, then send most of their earnings back to their families. Most of them were from Latin America and would make there way across the border, then return a year or two later with a used toyota to sell when they returned – pre-911 of course. Not too bad if you ask me.

  • Anonymous

    What are you talking about?

  • Anonymous

    Where did your ancestors come from? And where does it mention illegal immigrants?

    • Anonymous

      I wan’t to go to ICE, say “I am an Illegal immigrant of St.Lucia.” Just so I can get deported there. 

    • Anonymous

      My ancestors came from France and Ireland. And if your an American Indian your ancestors came from Asia across the land bridge into North America. Stop trying to fool people that indians have been in North America since the dawn of time. It simply isnt true. 

      • Anonymous

        I’m not an American indian. I was replying to a comment from happyguy123. My ancestors are also european. They pulled his comment before you could read it apparently. Try to keep up with the conversation before going off on tangents.

  • Guest

    I read another article quoting police as saying that there was no apparent robbery and at least 2 shooters. It was also suggested, through a veiled and vague comment, that it’s not uncommon for this to happen to drug runners/mules. An offensive remark possibly, but weirder things often  come out as an investigation continues.

  • Anonymous

    These people stumbled onto some type of illegal activity and they were killed because of it. It could have been any one of us trying to vacation in the southwest. Roughly 40,000 people killed in the past several years, right across our border in Mexico, but some people here don’t recognize, or as usual, bury their heads in the sand with this information. There are people in this country who have a will to survive and recognize danger in whatever form it takes and there are the peace lovers who who are completely incapable of recognizing danger which is absolutely amazing.

  • Anonymous

    How horrible.  It sounds like an innocent couple in the wrong place at the wrong time.  My condolences to their friends and families. 

    I hope they find and convict whoever is responsible.  I am tired ignorant comments from people who have no idea what the facts are and just like to see their rants in print.

    That scenic turnout is beautiful.  My thoughts and prayers will be with the victims the next time I stop there (with many people around).

    • Anonymous

      Well said. 

  • Anonymous

    Unless happy guy knows something that the cops don’t,in which case,tell the authorities what you know…condolences to the families…

  • Anonymous

    Many “illegals” have better grammar than you do.  Educate yourself.

  • Anonymous

    probably one of the “fast and furious” guns.

  • JimmyJ

    well you know out there in the wild west anyone can get a gun (re: abby gifford attempted assasination) but don’t DARE put any restrictions on it because the old guys in the 18th century drafted that constitution with the full intention of letting nut cases have weapons to shoot innocent folks.

    • Anonymous

      True, no one has ever been shot with an illegally obtained gun before.

      I am also certain that if you put more restrictions on guns, criminals would of course respect said restrictions

  • Anonymous

    If the firearm(s) could be traced back to the Dept. of Justice, would that make it a justifiable homicide? 

    When I read the names of those associated with disturbing events such as these about people, including  in our own state, I can’t help but question the sanity of those who refuse or otherwise fail to consider our borders to be of value.

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