Farmers, consumers rally to support man’s selling of ‘raw milk’

Dan Brown, owner of Gravelwood Farm in Blue Hill, speaks to a crowd of more than 150 people gathered Friday, Nov. 18, 2011, in front of the Blue Hill Town Hall. The Maine Department of Agriculture has filed a suit against Brown, alleging that he is illegally selling unpasteurized milk without a license. Brown, meanwhile, insists he is doing nothing wrong and that a local food ordinance adopted by Blue Hill residents protects the rights of farmers to sell directly to consumers without a license.
Dan Brown, owner of Gravelwood Farm in Blue Hill, speaks to a crowd of more than 150 people gathered Friday, Nov. 18, 2011, in front of the Blue Hill Town Hall. The Maine Department of Agriculture has filed a suit against Brown, alleging that he is illegally selling unpasteurized milk without a license. Brown, meanwhile, insists he is doing nothing wrong and that a local food ordinance adopted by Blue Hill residents protects the rights of farmers to sell directly to consumers without a license. Buy Photo
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More than 150 people gathered outside of the Blue Hill Town Hall on Friday, Nov. 18, 2011, to show support for Dan Brown, a Blue Hill farmer involved in a legal disagreement with the state. Maine Department of Agriculture officials allege Brown is illegally selling unpasteurized or raw milk without a license, while Brown insists he does not need one.
More than 150 people gathered outside of the Blue Hill Town Hall on Friday, Nov. 18, 2011, to show support for Dan Brown, a Blue Hill farmer involved in a legal disagreement with the state. Maine Department of Agriculture officials allege Brown is illegally selling unpasteurized or raw milk without a license, while Brown insists he does not need one. Buy Photo

BLUE HILL, Maine — Small-scale farmers and Mainers who buy directly from them held a boisterous rally Friday to support a Hancock County man sparring with agriculture officials over his right to sell “raw milk” and other products from his farm without a license.

Farmer Dan Brown admitted to the crowd of 150-plus people gathered outside Blue Hill’s Town Hall Friday that he has become a reluctant spokesman for his side in the potential legal fight emerging over Maine’s vibrant “local foods” movement.

“I would like to be nowhere else than on my farm,” said Brown, clearly uncomfortable in front of a large group and a microphone.

But Brown has, indeed, become the public face in a court case that could test the legality of a “local food” ordinance that seeks to exempt him and other farmers from state or federal inspections and licensing.

“Who is Farmer Brown?” shouted one rally attendee.

“We are all Farmer Brown,” came the response from the crowd.

Brown, who runs Gravelwood Farm in Blue Hill, received notice earlier this month that the Maine Department of Agriculture has filed a lawsuit to stop him from selling raw or unpasteurized milk without a license.

State agriculture officials maintain that licensing of raw milk distributors is necessary to protect the public, given the potential for harmful bacteria in unpasteurized milk. A sample of milk from Brown’s farm tested by the state was found to have bacteria levels well above the legal limit.

But state officials said it is also necessary to protect Maine’s dairy industry, which would take a serious hit in the public eye and would come under heavy scrutiny from federal regulators if someone became ill after drinking raw milk from an unlicensed dairy.

“Heaven help them if someone gets seriously sick,” Agriculture Commissioner Walt Whitcomb said recently. “They are going to lose public confidence.”

To those gathered in Blue Hill on Friday, however, the lawsuit filed against Brown by Whitcomb’s department is an attack on consumers’ rights and on the towns that have adopted “food sovereignty” ordinances.

“We have asserted the right to choose what food we eat and feed our families,” said Heather Retberg, a Penobscot farmer who sells raw milk.

Retberg said she and other farmers are simply serving friends and neighbors who would rather purchase their milk, produce or meat from a farm down the road owned by a person they trust.

Five Maine towns — Blue Hill, Penobscot, Sedgwick, Trenton and Hope — have adopted ordinances declaring that farmers who sell to consumers directly for home consumption are not subject to inspection or licensing by state or federal regulators.

Maine agriculture officials disagree, saying the state and federal health safety laws preempt local ordinances. During an interview on Wednesday, Whitcomb said the lawsuit against Brown was not intended to test those towns’ policies, although he acknowledged the issues are one and the same among some who support the local ordinances.

Blue Hill’s Board of Selectmen met Friday during the rally and voted to send Whitcomb a letter asking the department to drop the charges against Brown and to respect the town’s local food ordinance.

Not everyone in Maine’s raw milk industry opposes state licensure and regulation, however.

Brian Call and Joan Gibson, owners of Milky Way Organic Farm in Levant, are licensed to sell unpasteurized milk both directly to consumers and to milk processors for eventual pasteurization.

They are among 32 farms statewide licensed to sell raw milk and 67 licensed to sell cheese made from raw milk, according to figures supplied by agriculture officials.

Gibson and Call agreed that the state’s licensure and inspection process is not cumbersome, with both saying they have found department staff cooperative and easy to work with. While Gibson acknowledged that the U.S. Food and Drug Administration over-regulates farmers in some instances, she does not believe requiring farmers who sell raw milk to meet health and safety requirements is unreasonable.

As an example, Gibson said the state requires tuberculosis testing of all cows producing milk that is sold without pasteurization because milk can carry the bacteria that causes TB. Additionally, raw milk must be carefully bottled and kept well chilled to avoid bacteria growth, she said.

Currently, the FDA only allows sale of raw milk in Maine because of the state inspection and licensing program. But if the state allows sales from unlicensed farms and someone gets sick, the FDA could step in and shut down all raw milk operations in the state, Gibson said.

“That would put people like me, who have followed the law and are regulated by the state, out of business,” she said. “There needs to be laws in place” to regulate raw milk.

Brown has 20 days from the time he was served with the lawsuit to file a written response. He said this week he was waiting to hear whether organizations involved in local control issues in the agriculture industry would help with his defense.

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  • Anonymous

    “Maine agriculture officials disagree, saying the state and federal health safety laws preempt local ordinances.”  Unless it involves fireworks and casinos.  
    It is simply the peoples choice to go to this mans farm and opt to buy it and drink it.  If they don’t like it, get sick or whatever they won’t return, the same thing can happen with a paper license saying he can milk a cow and sell the outcome.  What’s next I need a license to sell no bake cookies at the next holiday craft fair?

  • Anonymous

    dairy moonshine

  • kcjonez

    We drank unpasteurized milk long before there was a Maine Dept. of Agriculture and we will drink unpasteurized milk when they are gone. 

  • Lynn McGaha

    “But if the state allows sales from unlicensed farms and someone gets sick, the FDA could step in and shut down all raw milk operations in the state, Gibson said.”

    I believe the state of Maine is the entity that controls what happens within the state, not the FDA.  Each state determines it’s own rules regarding the sale of raw milk.  Not that the FDA isn’t behind the scenes being a heavy trying to push things their way, offering inducements to the state to follow the FDA desired path. 

  • Anonymous

    Damn straight!

  • Anonymous

    Pasteurized mild causes constipation, colic, and lacks otherwise unavailable probiotics. Forced boiling of milk by farmers or distributors is very expensive and results in lousy tasting milk, cheese, and butter. I used to ride my bike about a mile up the road with two bleach cleaned milk jugs, filled them, and put the $2 through the plastic cover of the coffee can left in the window. One day I went and they had replaced their machines with huge Pasteurizing machines. When I asked the farmer’s wife (I was about 12 years old) if we could still buy the good milk from her she said, “No.” It has to go through this machine first. She scooped some out and gave it to me to taste. Being a surprised teenager I immediately said, “Why are they making you ruin all the milk? I love farm milk.” She went back to her farmhouse without a word. 

    Sadd.

  • Anonymous

    Our local farmers sell us milk by the gallon with no limit and have a notation on their licenses to sell raw milk. There’s nothing like it. We drink raw milk and eat raw milk cheese. I grew up before you had to boil all milk. We were taught never to let milk be boiled because it causes constipation and ruins the flavor. Both are true, from first hand experience. We get fresh raw milk for $1.50 per gallon. The milk is much fresher, tastes great, and who knows what happens when they stick that milk in truck and then into a processing plant for milk full of chemicals. I’ll take my chances spending 1/2 the money on indescribably healthy cows’ milk in Maine.

  • Anonymous

    They will let you smoke cigarettes till you die a horrible slow death , but you can’t buy raw milk to drink, guess they should require it to be mixed with Allen’s Coffee Brandy and you can take out your liver which is ok though.  People are so silly with the rules.

  • Anonymous

    The state regulations are not onerous, and the state agricultural department is cooperative. What’s not to like? As a consumer, I want the right to purchase labeled raw milk from farmers or coops, but I do not have the time or proficiency to “inspect” local farms to assure that hygienic standards are being met. I appreciate that people who are trained to do this exist and that the state is protecting my interests. Some of these protesters are blurring the line between subsistence farming for family and friends (thereby taking direct responsibility for any illness resulting) versus profitable farming for the community at large.  

  • Tyke

    State law very specifically allows for local choice on fireworks, so your “exception” is in fact just another example of the actual fact that state law trumps local ordinances.

  • Tyke

    The issue is NOT that the farmer was selling raw milk. Selling raw milk from known healthy cows where at least the minimum legally required safe handling procedures are followed is completely legal. (Most legit dairies exceed those standards).

    This fool was selling milk products with 1000% to 1500% higher bacteria levels than is allowed by law for raw milk. The legal limit is set by experts who know what levels are likely to cause illness or death  in vulnerable populations.

    Either this fool’s cows are sick or he is improperly handling the products.

    THAT is the issue!

  • Tyke

    The fact that they have a notation on their license means that, unlike the foolish farmer in this story, they have healthy cows and follow at least the minimum safe food handling requirements.

    This story is about a very  sloppy farmer who is selling milk products that exceed safe, legal bacteria counts by 1000% to 1500% .

    You are wise to buy from licensed farmers. No one wants this farmer to stop selling, just to stop endangering the public with his unsafe, unsanitary products.

  • Anonymous

    Without taking a stance on this issue you should be aware that, in the end, Federal laws always have the upper authority.  It is typical for states to mandate laws which are tougher than Federal requirements but the Federal requirements are always the minimum starting point.  The states rights issue can be argued until you are blue in the face but again, in the end, Federal law will trump state law.

    Once more, without taking a position on this issue, it should be remembered by all those folks who are old enough to have grown up on unpasturized milk that these laws were not made just for fun.  A great many people suffered serious, sometimes deadly, disease because of foul milk.  Probably not from the farm next door.  I suspect this was much more of an issue in suburban/urban environs when milk started coming from unknown farms, far away, after being handled improperly.

    One last point if I may.  Trust of your local farmer has absolutely nothing to do with anything.  Though the vast majority of farmers know how to handle their products safely, milk included, I seriously doubt that most consumers know how these products should be handled and would not recognize bad farming practices if they saw it.  For instance, I still see people raising pigs in confined mud pits where the manure is literally over a foot deep, year after year on the same piece of ground.  In one particular situation I’ve watched the owner feed his hogs by throwing their food into this pen on top of the mud, urine, and feces.  Trichinosis loves this kind of environment and sooner or later someone will get very sick, perhaps die, from consuming this food.  Oh, this pork is raised deliberately as a farm product and thus sold as “healthy home grown pork”.  I’m sure this mans customers trust him too and feel that they are getting a better product than the FDA certified pork they buy at the local grocery.

  • Tyke

    There is absolutely NOTHING in this story to even suggest the government is trying to prevent anyone from buying or selling raw milk.

    They are trying to get a farmer to comply with the minimum safe food handling laws in order to sell raw milk. That is a very different story to the non existent one you seems to be commenting on.

    The equivalent to this story would be someone selling cigarettes laced with 1000% to 1500% the allowable limits for arsenic . The government absolutely would shut that down too.

  • Anonymous

    Bacteria levels well above safe limits can mean real troubles for the consumer.
    Its not a Govt. plot, this time , to kill the farmer.
    The govt. doesnt want the farmer to kill the consumer.

    Time for Farmer Brown to clean up his act.
    And take better care of his animals.
    Misguided loyalty’s by the Occupy Blue Hillers.

  • Millicent

    I was raised on raw milk as well, however, the cow that it came from was regularly tested and well taken care of, with out the state being involved (this was not in Maine).  I say, know your farmer well if you’re going to buy/barter  raw milk from them. 

    One thing BDN left out was the cost of the license. Is it expensive? According to the two who were interviewed, they found that it was not difficult to deal with.

    “Gibson and Call agreed that the state’s licensure and inspection process is not cumbersome, with both saying they have found department staff cooperative and easy to work with. While Gibson acknowledged that the U.S. Food and Drug Administration over-regulates farmers in some instances, she does not believe requiring farmers who sell raw milk to meet health and safety requirements is unreasonable.”

  • Anonymous

    I grew up on a dairy farm and the economic incentive to cut corners on cleanliness is huge.  At one point we had older milking machines that had seams where bacteria tended to collect so the state milk inspectors said we had to purchase new seamless ones.  In the short run there was some hardship to my family, but in the long run it insured the safety of our product. My father and uncle were extremely frugal, and without inspections they would have brushed off any danger and continued to use the old machines because they were “good enough” and brush off any danger from bacteria.

  • Anonymous

    I grew up on a dairy farm and the economic incentive to cut corners on cleanliness is huge.  At one point we had older milking machines that had seams where bacteria tended to collect so the state milk inspectors said we had to purchase new seamless ones.  In the short run there was some hardship to my family, but in the long run it insured the safety of our product. My father and uncle were extremely frugal, and without inspections they would have brushed off any danger and continued to use the old machines because they were “good enough” and brush off any danger from bacteria.

  • Anonymous

    Us too

  • Anonymous

    This article makes me want to go find a farmer that sells raw milk, I haven’t had it in such a long time, it makes me think of the first time I had some and did I sure like it…I think I am going to discover the farmers in my area today….

  • Anonymous

    Rallying to support this farmer and his Raw milk is very nice. But…..wait until someones child gets sick.

  • Anonymous

    It’s all about big business and lobbying. Big business doesn’t want small farms selling milk to the locals because Big business can’t sell to the locals. People lived quite well drinking milk straight from the cow before the FDA.

  • Anonymous

    This is a safety issue clear and simple.  It is one thing to fight for our rights when they do no harm to anyone, however, this farmer’s milk has too much bacteria.  So, ultimately, until he fixes the problem, he could not get a license anyway.  This is about breaking the law, and the towns who are putting these ordinances in place are a problem.

  • Anonymous

    we were all safe back in the day, why do we need a license to tell us something we all know and are comfortable with…

  • Anonymous

    This baloney is all based on the premise that a consumer cannot make a reasonable decision for himself, thus the state has to step in and “help” with this decision.

    Pardon me but have you asked lately what they feed those cows on comercial USDA dairy farms?  They give them any feed/drugs they can in order to make more milk per animal. Did you ever wonder what the put in that USDA approved ‘safe milk” in the stores to give it a shelf life of two weeks?   Did you ever wonder where all the breast cancer is coming from these days?  Did you ever wonder if the rapid rise of the rates of cancer in the population was due to the rapid rise of chemical use in the commercial “USDA approved” food preparation industry……..or did you just think that was coincidence?

    Did you ever wonder why we have all these horrid “food poisoning” events like the salmonella outbreak last year in the commercial “USDA APPROVED” chicken egg industry?

    USDA =SAFE is BS!

    We raise, and consume our own meat, absolutely because we know what is in it and what is NOT IN IT!

    Why should the state, or the Federales” for that matter, be able to tell me what I can buy from a willing seller?  Because they presume I am the stupid one here?   I think they better take another look and see who are really the stupid ones in this situation.

    Blind allegiance to the vaunted STATE?    Not for me!

  • Anonymous

    doesn’t mean his animals aren’t cared for?  do you eat game meat????  are they cared for at all??? no shots, no tests, no license, no care!!

  • Anonymous

    What makes you think that you’ll outlive the Maine Dept. of Agriculture?

  • Anonymous

    What chemicals are added to processed milk?  It’s light treated to activate a natural precursor of Vitamin D, a valuable process at northern latitudes.  Data please if you think otherwise.

  • Anonymous

    This farmer (and others like him) should be licensed and inspected just like the other dairy farmers who follow good practices.  Otherwise, he’s ducking any liability for any mishaps to the public who consumes the milk.  TB is on the rise, I wonder if there’s any connection.

  • Anonymous

    Would anyone wish to eat in a place that hadn’t been inspected? A filthy kitchen putting food out for people to eat? This is the same thing on a smaller scale. The cows need to be checked for disease and for cleanliness before milking, and the milking devices checked as well. It is all just for protection against people getting sick.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JEEBL24CJFPKONGDGBVLUF44LU Violet

    Dan’s story was very different as he stated from the rally yesterday . . . from the State of Maine’s Criminal complaint .  First of all, do you know that he only milks one cow.  With that volume of milk I am sure he only has a handful of customers . . and those go directly to his farm to purchase the milk.

    The bacteria counts were only 10 – 15 times those allowed by the state . . . . did you also know that Dan was not present when these samples were taken?  Who knows what they sampled . . . and they did not have a warrant to sample his milk either . . .   they trespassed on his property if Dan was not present . . . .

    This is all about the FDA and it’s crackdown on raw milk.  The FDA is putting pressure on those states where raw milk is legal . . . Maine . .  if you want money for your ag programs (most of these programs benefit big Ag btw . . .). . . then crack down on the small  farmers.  Our Agricultural Commissioner must recuse himself from this case as he has ties to the commercial milk industry.

  • Anonymous

    The man is selling contaminated milk. You want to kill yourself or your kids with that stuff, that’s your business. Killing MY family is MY business. He isn’t being asked to do anything outrageous.

  • Anonymous

    I FULLY support farmer Brown…PERIOD.

  • Anonymous

    Dear Gov. LePage

    It’s time for government regulation to Moooooove over.  Blue Hill is done Cow towing to red tape.  You could milk this issue and get the left to love you.  Dare-yee (stretching it, i know), Dare-yee side with scraggly hippy types on the milk issue?  

  • Tyke

    “ONLY” 1o to 15 times the legal limit for bacteria?

    Your “logic” is the same as saying it’s  OK to drive 10 times the speed limit on your own  street if you only do it in that small area and only have the potential to kill just a few people.

    btw: 1 time = 100% and 10 times = 1000% . My prior comment was completely accurate.

    And this entire issue arose because this farmer decided it was OK for him to break the law and sell his milk beyond his own farm”:
    “A Maine producer who sells milk only at the farm does not need a license ”

    http://www.maine.gov/agriculture/mmc/licensing/

  • Anonymous

    Make no mistake an attack on our rights by a govt that is heavily subsidized by mega corps like Monsanto who want nothing less than for us all to eat their own GMO frankenfood. These evil scumbags have the Feds raiding raw milk farmers in riot gear! This is truly amazing!
    Go mr. Brown! keep fighting the good fight!!!

  • Anonymous

    Hey let me know when that corporate shaft leaves your mouth.

  • Tyke

    The Maine Dept of Agriculture was created in the 1800′s.

    You are very old!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Regina-Hosebeast/100002095287763 Regina Hosebeast

    Licensing and regulation/inspection practices protect our farmers as well as the public. It’s only a question of time before someone gets hit with listeria or worse, gets sick or worse, at which point the FDA jumps in, tracks down the source and shuts the farmer down. Farmers are not rich folks and I fear to most, a shutdown for even a week would be unrecoverable. Plus, any farm found to be the source of the illness might as well fold up their tents, as no one would ever buy from them again.

  • Millicent

    because of a few who sell/sold milk with too much bacteria in it, ruined it for the rest who were responsible. From the link provided in the article: 

    “In Brown’s case, inspectors who purchased milk and cottage cheese from the farmer in July found the samples had bacteria counts 10 to 15 times higher than the legal limit. The agriculture commissioner added that the department would have preferred to resolve the issue without the courts.” 

    He wasn’t being a responsible farmer. It’s people like him that cause regulation. 

  • Anonymous

    This article makes me want to go find a farmer that sells raw milk, I haven’t had it in such a long time, it makes me think of the first time I had some and did I sure like it…I think I am going to discover the farmers in my area today….     
    *******************************************************
    iirc, you said you live near Bangor (in a different article) so here are two sources:
    Hampden Natural Foods (Western Ave. Hampden) and Natural Living Center (Stillwater Ave near the back entrance to Target) inBangor.  They both sell raw milk from a certified organic farm in my hometown.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for posting that, I was digging around online for some places or farmers with the raw milk.  Natural Living Center crossed my mind….good to know I was on the right track

  • Anonymous

    The numbers you cite are not accurate. As far as I know no bacteria count has been issued. It wasn’t on the summons anyway. All over the country small farmers just like Dan Brown are being shut down, some at gun point, forced out of business and deprived of their livelihoods while no one has been brought to trial for producing ground turkey that killed people.

    Be aware that the FDA has said we have no particular right to consume the food of our choosing and that there is a program called Healthy People 2020 that wants no raw milk sold anywhere.

  • Tyke

    Yesterday’s BDN story quoted Maine state inspection personnel as saying milk and cheese samples taken from product this man was selling had 10 to 15 times the legal limit for bacteria (10 -15 time = 1000 to 1500 percent of allowed, safe limits.)

    The FDA neither discourages not outlaws raw milk. Only conspiracy theorists are pushing that bs.

  • Tyke

    You are disgusting and obviously unable to debate on the merits of a topic.

    I support small local farmers and buy and consume a great deal of their products including raw milk.

    The farmer in this article gives them a bad name and should be ashamed (as should you – though I doubt you have the intelligence to know why).

  • Anonymous

    You do not know what you are talking about. The FDA has issued Healthy People 2020.

    http://www.ftcldf.org/docs/ncims2005_resolution_10.pdf

    They carried over the resolution to HP 2020.

    Please, just educate yourself.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PV4CYCJTMR72D2GJP7KHVMCURU charles

    Augusta scumbags are not getting any money from the sale, so go after the farmer who is supplying a product that the people want. I blame Lepuke

  • Anonymous

    You make a good point that he was not present when the sample was taken.  I would be very suspicious of that in itself, especially knowing the politics of selling raw milk.  To me, the most conclusive proof of a problem would be if somebody who consumed his milk came forward because they got sick.  I can’t imagine that anybody would protect him if they got sick, but I could be wrong.  I would be satisfied if they tested on a voluntary basis.  We all know the risks associated with drinking raw milk.  If somebody is that concerned and isn’t sure about the farm they are buying from (and that farm doesn’t test), then they have the choice to go to another farm that does test.  I don’t need big brother holding my hand.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t have any data source but word of mouth from dairy farmers I’ve spoken with and my own subjective experience. I didn’t know about the light treatment, but the milk is marketed in light block bottles so the nutrients won’t be destroyed by the light, so that confuses me. I also know I’m taking a risk drinking untreated milk, but it’s a risk I’ve taken all my life. I’m not suggesting others do as I do, but I will say that dairy farmers have told me is safe.

  • Scott Harriman

    I wonder how long those samples sat unrefrigerated on someone’s desk before being tested.

    The only fair way to test dairy products is to do it directly at the point of sale.  Mr. Brown has no control over his products once they leave his hands.

  • Anonymous

    I have to have license to sell shellfish and fish. Even though the places that those shellfish and fish come are inspected and those catching them have licenses.  My plant is  inspected, my trucks too. Food Safety is a very serious issue.

    What if this fellow sold milk to someone and that person got sick somehow. Would it be caveat emptor? Buyer beware?

  • Anonymous

    Im only asking. If the farmer was not there then how did they get the samples.? Did these inspectors milk the cows themselves or was there perhaps a farm hand or some assistant there.?

  • Anonymous

    Im not selling any of the ducks I shoot to the public.

  • Anonymous

    I t really shouldnt suprise anyone that everything you buy from a car to your underwear has has some sort of inspection process or licensing attached to it.

    Dont like your food being inspected for safety? Read The Jungle by Upton Sinclair.

  • Tyke

    You’ve linked to a document produced by some organization that is NOT the FDA.

    …and a resolution starting with “HP” is a legislative document. duh

    You might want to try educating yourself fist.

  • Roger Bird

    The large factory farms don’t want raw milk to thrive; they don’t like the competition.  The government “scientists” are still living in the late 1800′s when raw milk really was dangerous.  The best protest is to get to know a good family farmer who loves his or her cows and grass feeds them and handles the milk very hygienically, and get the raw milk from that farmer.  Then vote libertarian.

  • Anonymous

    Well Mr. Governor, here is a chance to prove you are really  pro business and against red tape.  Let people live free in Maine.   I know you need money, but people need healthy food.  

  • acadiawoods

    Have you ever looked at restaurant kitchens? Our inspection system is a joke.

  • acadiawoods

    And what about spinach and cantelope?  What about eggs from the factory
    farms? All the government rules and inspections worked well didn’t they? 
    Tell that to the people who have compromised kidneys or the families
    whose loved ones died.

  • Anonymous

    HP is short for Healthy People. I was merely providing you with a shortcut to a document backing up my claim. Did you even read it?

    FDA doesn’t need legislation to ban raw milk or any other food.

    I’m not going to argue with you, there are none so blind as will not see.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not taking sides here, I buy from a local farmer, but you are not informed anyonebutthem.  You remind me of a child on a mission who is so fired up that they do not see, will not see, all the information that is germane to the discussion.  Go back to school.

  • Anonymous

    The fact that everyone seems to be ignoring is that Farmer Brown only had the problem because he did not limit himself to selling from his farm in Blue Hill.  He took it to a Farmer’s Market somewhere else.  Maine Dept of Agriculture claims they reacted to complaints about the packaging.

    This is  not a case of protecting your right to make your own food choices.  Buying locally, straight from the farm or garden or kitchen of someone should definitely be an option.  When you buy directly you can see what the conditions are, and decide whether or not to buy at that particular place.

    However, if you are at a Farmer’s Market, you cannot make the same educated decisions.  You judge each vendor as equal to the next.  Licensing is not a bad thing.  According to farms that are licensed it is not outrageous expensive or intrusive.  

    As a former drinker of raw milk (the local farm is gone) I agree with all the proponents of the product.  But, I don’t buy raw milk from strangers.  Pasteurization is not a terrible offense:  you should study a little history to understand what a boon it was to health.

  • Anonymous

    Another issue is that the bacteria levels only check that:  how many bacteria are present.  There is no testing of the type of bacteria.  

  • Anonymous

    Some places you are not allowed to sell home baked goods.  That is the extreme the FEDERAL government is involving itself in local issues.  Things can be handled at a state level as long as they remain within the state.  Things could be handled at the local level if they remain local.

    Keep in mind:  Farmer Brown did NOT sell only in Blue Hill.  If he had there would have been no issue unless someone got sick from his product.  One earlier story implied that complaints came from local people.

  • Anonymous

    And any consumer could do that!  However, Farmer Brown did not sell his milk only at his own farm.  He took it to a Farmers’ Market outside of Blue Hill.  Consumers there had no way to know that his milk was any different from any other milk.  They had no way to see what his operation looked like.

  • Anonymous

    I had a yearly inspection of my kitchen, dining, and storage area when I ran a bed and breakfast.  My daughters worked in several local restaurants.  We are aware of the practices in all of them.  Just because some places are irresponsible does not mean that all are.  I would not eat in a restaurant I thought was handling food improperly, and I certainly do not assume all are.

    Same with farming and anything else.  

  • Anonymous

    It is not blind allegiance to the state.  It is allowing one person who might not be as conscientious as everyone else to make the public suspicious of everyone who sells the same product.

    I have a new conspiracy theory for you:  Farmer Brown is trying to destroy the raw milk and cheese industry in Maine by creating fear in the public about the safety of consuming those products.  Perhaps he is trying to destroy the entire home-produced industry.

    Because, if the general public starts worrying about the safety the things they buy at Farmers’ Markets and small co-ops, and roadside stands, they will stop buying them.

    Not every scoff-law is a hero.  Some make it very difficult for the normal person to go about their lives.

  • Anonymous

    The state is actually taking action to PRESERVE the raw milk and cheese industry.

  • Anonymous

    Don’t trust that belief!  There is more and more push to control everything about your life! States need to protect their 10th amendment rights against the federal government.

  • Anonymous

    Federal law does not trump state law, although they would like you to believe it does.  The federal government was severely limited in the scope of its dominance.  We have allowed it to creep farther and farther into our lives.

    States need to fight to restore their 10th Amendment rights.

  • Anonymous

    The Jungle is the reason I have never ever used lard.

  • Anonymous

    You may know something that I don’t.  I just re-read this article and the related article that was posted a few days ago and I didn’t see where it said that he was selling his milk at a Farmer’s Market outside of Blue Hill.  Not saying that it wasn’t there, but I failed to see where it said it.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, in two eateries where I was employed. These two were very clean, and a lot of food was served.

  • Anonymous

    I know I read an account that someone posted on Facebook, but I will have to sift through to see. Went there when I first read your reply, and then got caught up with friends’ stuff and forgot what I was doing.

  • Anonymous

    The administration of public health standards seem to be under fire, more from an ideological agenda, than from any appreciation of the chaotic quality control that must ensue without them.  High bacteria counts are part of the price we have to pay to be able to consume ideologically “pure ” products we are told.  I think I can see where this is all going.  The folks at Blue Hill’s Town Hall must  to be rolling their own unregulated  smokes.

  • hey-I’m-your-man

    Just look at the Amish.

  • Joshua Michael Goodwin

    Nice reporting, but nobody dug up any facts about the amount of illness spread through PASTEURIZED Milk. Maybe there is no data. Also I understand health regulations on “safe” limits of bacteria. However the government has no place to prevent the people from producing, sharing and consuming milk with high levels of bacteria.  Bacteria does not indicate a health risk alone. Live and Let Live.

  • Joshua Michael Goodwin

    I’ll tell you what happens before it goes into the truck that requires it to meet certain bacteria limits. Some farms mix in bleach or disinfectants to make up for the *expletive* poor state of the cows health due to feeding an improper diet and not providing a health promoting environment.

  • Anonymous

    Conspiracy theory, huh? Please stop shilling for the corporations.

    Here is some reality for you. The FDA certainly IS raiding raw milk suppliers! Wake up!

    http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?v=qgeM7bBCWP4

    http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?v=2wMRXIfeiaM

    Conspiracy theories!! Unbelievable!!!

  • Anonymous

    http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?v=2wMRXIfeiaM

    Here is some more proof that our govt is trying to regulate raw food…

    Wake up! Do you not get the impact of this?

  • Anonymous

    http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?v=2wMRXIfeiaM

    In case you missed it mr. Corporate shill.

    Watch the evidence….then, please take tha…well you know

  • Anonymous

    http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?v=2wMRXIfeiaM

    Nope. You need the remedial education. Wake up.

  • Anonymous

    So federal agencies raiding raw milk farmers isn’t relevant? Wow. Please explain.

    And the corporate stranglehold on the American farmer by monsanto is truly egregious and abhorrent. Do you have any frakin’ clue what I am talking about? Wake up and learn what’s going on!! Do you even know what GMO seed is? Further, how it is destroying the american farmer? Unbelievable!!

    It’s all germane you half wit

  • Anonymous

    http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?v=2wMRXIfeiaM

    Here it is Again.

    I realize dancing with the stars is more important to you, but, please, known the facts.

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    And you’re obviously misinformed.

  • Anonymous
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  • Anonymous

    “… the first infraction listed in the summons is selling at a state licensed farmers’ market in Ellsworth without a license, and selling raw milk without the label it would have been required to have under state law.”
    This is what I read, Oliver_Ellsworth.   It was one of my fb friend’s comments on the situation, not the article itself.  I did not link to the summons, and trust that he is quoting it correctly.

    The point being that if I go to a state licensed Farmers’ Market, I would expect that everyone there was in compliance with state regulations concerning their particular food products, if there ar any.  I would also expect anyone selling raw milk or raw milk products to be labeling them as such.  Farmer Brown need only have stayed in Blue Hill and not tried to pass himself off as a state licensed raw milk producer, which he did by selling at a state licensed Farmers’ Market.  He did everyone a disservice and it is sad that people choose to think of him as some hero for small farmers.  He is the antithesis of that.

    One person who does not do things properly can set back a wonderful movement towards healthy, natural, local food.  We can trust, but it is nice to have others helping to verify.

  • Anonymous

    In one of the discussions on facebook it was stated that the agency bought the samples from him.  People can talk all they want about how the samples might have been polluted by the agency, but they also might consider that someone was selling things  THEY might have inadvertantly purchased that had 1000% the allowed bacteria count.  And that is only count; doesn’t examine what kind of bacteria.

    Sometimes the state agencies are actually on our side.

  • Anonymous

    I am not sure that the people protesting would even consent to testing for bacteria directly at the point of sale. I think that’s the crux of the issue. This segment of people don’t seem to accept that any level of testing and regulation is tolerable.

    If I’ve read it wrong, I’d sure like to be corrected.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DQYJRNTL4E3A3B7OXXQVK74HZM Kathy S

    I knew a woman who had a restraining order against her husband. She’s dead now. I know a girl who has a current inspection sticker on her car; the tires are bald and the brakes are iffy. I know a man who has a restaurant and ABC license; his kitchen is filthy, full of flies and he hires only illegal immigrants.

    My point? A piece of paper handed over to you by the government means nothing. You pay them the money, you fill out the paperwork, you jump through the hoops, it does not have any bearing on the product you produce.

    Farmer Brown’s product tested high for bacteria, what type of bacteria? Acidophillus is a bacteria, is very good for you, and is added to dairy products for those that market for the health benefits of acidophillus. And as was noted previously, we do not know the chain of “evidence” concerning the milk that was tested. What I am saying is not all bacteria is harmful.

    I do think that there should be a standard of testing required for all those that sell raw foods, this should not require a license, just common sense. You know, just an inspector who goes to the raw foods farms and does a visual inspection, and tests samples then and there. Oh, but there aren’t enough inspectors to go around because the government keeps cutting the funding. That means that even those who have their nice little licenses don’t get inspected as they should.

    All raw food should be labeled as such and sold with a disclaimer that it is a natural raw product and as such has the potential of carrying harmful bacteria. Our country is getting ridiculous. I often wonder what it will take for Americans to wake up. I am afraid that when they do it will be too late, we will all be eating Monsanto veggies and franken-meat, and the small family farm will be a thing of the past.

  • Anonymous

    Gosh, only 3 rebuttals?  Brain taking a little time to think things through is it?  It’s true that my education is not in genetic engineering.  My background is in physics and statistics.  Still I do not think the concepts are beyond my comprehension.  You on the other hand, well my guess is that you don’t have a formal education, or if you do you didn’t actually learn how to use it yet.  A lesson my immature young friend; blind zealots are not reliable resources for anything other than being blind.  You need to hook up with Nancy “cleanearth” Oden.  Check out her website.  I don’t provide links, do a search.

  • Anonymous

    How many farmers is Dan Brown, and his supporters, willing to bring down in order to prove his selfish point?  Maine’s laws for being a licensed milk distributor are fair and easy to navigate.  The licensing costs are very fair.  The requirements are fair.

    According to the summons filed by the State, Mr. Brown was not only selling milk, milk products and other food products on his farm, but also at two seperate farmers’s markets.  The milk was being sold in “Ocean Spray” bottles taht showed signs of weat and were not labeled as containing unpasteurized milk.  The dairy inspector obtained samples of milk, cottage cheese and butter from Mr. Brown’s farm stand, and those were tested and the milk and cotage cheese were found to have high bacteria counts. 

    High bacteria counts come from poor sanitation of milkers and/or machines, or from animals infected with mastitis.  The contamination can be eliminated from proper cleaning of equipment and bottling, and maintaining herd health. 

    My mother was an R.N. who spent years working with TB patients.  While a fervent adherent to natural practices, she would not have consumed raw milk products unless it was from her own cow.  Big difference from what the State states are Mr. Brown’s practices.

    Do Mr. Brown and his supporters wish to destroy the public trust, and the availability of locally-grown foods, making these practices comparable to deplorable corporatization practices?  Isn’t the motivation to provide consumers and neighbors with safe, healthy, locally-grown food?

  • Anonymous

    Why?  On what rational and scientific and health basis, do you lend your support?

  • Anonymous

    Your information is inaccurate.  The milk products were being sold away from the farm, and, in containers not meant for reuse, according to the report.

  • Anonymous

    You mean the information I quoted form the article is inaccurate?  

  • Joshua Michael Goodwin

    You can’t even buy raw almonds easily in the USA now, they are also “sterilized”. There is no way it is healthy to limit such an intrinsic part of our bodily system of life support from being provided essential (“Consensus” wouldn’t agree ) nutrients.
    This really comes down to the freedom of choice of an individual to choose for oneself. Also I recommend cayenne pepper or paprika in relatively high amounts as a potentially “safe” and “potent”
    Capsicum peppers used for paprika are unusually rich in vitamin C, a fact discovered in 1932 by Hungary’s 1937 Nobel prize-winner Albert Szent-Györgyi.[7] Much of the vitamin C content is retained in paprika, which contains more vitamin C by weight than does lemon juice.[8]
    Paprika is also high in other antioxidants.[9] Prevalence of nutrients, however, must be balanced against quantities ingested, which are generally negligible for spices.
    Narrative from http://www.pointofreturn.com
    Interesting facts from http://en.wikipedia.org

    Approximately 50% of the body’s Glutathione production is achieved through the consumption of fruits and vegetables. Prior to the modern age, our food sources used to be sufficient to handle the demands placed on our bodies. But eating enough glutathione-rich foods only works in an idealized world where medications, stress, toxins and fast food are not factors.
    Milk is inherent to all mammals including humans, and Whey Protein is an element of milk. All mammalian breast milk contains naturally high amounts of Glutathione to protect the infant. Human breast milk is no exception, and also contains high levels of healthy bacteria to colonize the babies gut region with Probiotics, the healthy bacteria that helps to sustain life.

    Cows milk contains 5-10% protein – 20% whey and 80% lactose and cheese fat (caseine). Most allergies to milk are from the lactose and cheese caseine. Only a tiny percentage of the public has a true allergy to whey. 

    In the 1930s, the compulsory pasteurization of milk caused high temperature processing that denatured (damaged) the protein structures. Denaturation causes less bioactive availability of the critical active components to the cells. All commercial milk today is pasteurized and as a result, the potent Glutathione precursors have been rendered ineffective.

    Glutathione (GSH) is an antioxidant, preventing damage to important cellular components caused by reactive oxygen species such as free radicals and peroxides. In healthy cells and tissue, more than 90% of the total glutathione pool is in the reduced form (GSH) and less than 10% exists in the disulfide form (GSSG). An increased GSSG-to-GSH ratio is considered indicative of oxidative stress.
    Glutathione has multiple functions:
    It is the major endogenous antioxidant produced by the cells, participating directly in the neutralization of free radicals and reactive oxygen compounds, as well as maintaining exogenous antioxidants such as vitamins C and E in their reduced (active) forms.[17]Regulation of the nitric oxide cycle, which is critical for life but can be problematic if unregulated[18]It is used in metabolic and biochemical reactions such as DNA synthesis and repair, protein synthesis, prostaglandin synthesis, amino acid transport, and enzyme activation. Thus, every system in the body can be affected by the state of the glutathione system, especially the immune system, the nervous system, the gastrointestinal system and the lungs.The biosynthesis pathway for glutathione is found in some bacteria, like cyanobacteria and proteobacteria[4]The biosynthesis pathway for glutathione is found in some bacteria, for instance; proteobacteria, which are a major group of bacteria. including a wide variety of pathogens, such as Escherichia, Salmonella, Vibrio, Helicobacter.In plants, glutathione is crucial for biotic and abiotic stress management.

  • Tyke

    Making personal attacks is the most obvious sign of someone who has a point so weak they know there is no other way to defend it.

    What are you, about 12?

  • Tyke

    Unsanitary conditions that permit that level of bacterial growth will allow ANY kind of bacteria to grow as well.

    It represents a very dangerous situation.

  • Tyke

    The license costs $1.

  • Tyke

    This discussion is about Maine state laws and rules.

    Please explain how that has anything to do with the problems you are ranting about.

  • Tyke

    This is plagiarized copy and paste material and violates the BDN rules for comments.

  • Anonymous

    Yes the post that some State Agency broke onto this guys farm and stole his milk in an effort to discredit him and shut down the small farmer is a bit farfetched.

  • Anonymous

    I respectfully disagree with both your opinion on which branch of our government is sovereign and your wish to have states rights supersede federal law.

  • Anonymous

    I wonder if they even know what it all means.

  • acadiawoods

    My point was, government, state or federal, laws and rules don’t protect the consumer.  At least if your local farmer’s product makes you sick you know who to go after.
    By the way, that wasn’t a rant.  Those were statements to invoke individual thinking which is sorely lacking in our society.

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