Group unveils plan to reduce Maine oil use, urges caution on LePage’s natural gas goals

Andrew Francis, a field associate with Environment Maine, on Thursday morning announces the release of a report aimed at reducing Maine's fuel consumption by nearly 40 percent by 2030. Flanking Francis is state Rep. Alex Cornell du Houx, D-Brunswick, Portland homeowner Ashley Salisbury and Warm Tech Solutions owner Ashley Richards. Not pictured, but taking part in the announcement Thursday, was Adam Lee, chairman of the board for Lee Auto Malls.

By Seth Koenig, BDN Staff

Posted Oct. 13, 2011, at 12:19 p.m.
Last modified Oct. 13, 2011, at 5:39 p.m.

PORTLAND, Maine — Environment Maine unveiled a plan Thursday to reduce Maine’s dependence on oil by nearly 40 percent by 2030, beating established legislative energy benchmarks without expanding use of natural gas, which is a central component of Gov. Paul LePage’s energy strategy.

Environment Maine field associate Andrew Francis was joined Thursday by state Rep. Alex Cornell du Houx, D-Brunswick, Lee Auto Malls board chairman Adam Lee, Warm Tech Solutions owner Ashley Richards and property owner Ashley Salisbury. The press conference took place at Salisbury’s multi-unit 26 Brackett St. building, which was the subject of a recent energy efficiency retrofit largely performed by Warm Tech.

The group assembled to highlight state and federal measures promoted in the larger Environment America report “Getting Off Oil: A 50-State Roadmap for Curbing Our Dependence on Petroleum.”

At a state level, Cornell du Houx said it’s crucial the state Legislature continue funding Efficiency Maine programs that encourage home weatherizations, while Lee trumpeted federal proposals to force auto manufacturers to meet minimum fuel efficiency standards of 54 miles per gallon over the next 13 years.

“Mainers … send $5 billion every single year to nations that do not have our best interests in mind,” Cornell du Houx, who has served with the Marine Corps in the Middle East, said of Maine’s dependence on oil. Maine is ranked the fourth most oil-dependent state in the country.

Lee noted that in 1975, Congress gave car makers 10 years to double the fuel efficiency of their vehicles, and although manufacturers complained, they met the standards and reduced pollution.

“The history of my industry is that they don’t do anything to improve safety or efficiency unless they’re mandated to do so,” Lee told members of the assembled media Thursday morning.

Richards said 2,500 Maine homes were weatherized in 2010 using rebates and other funding programs offered by Efficiency Maine. Each home saved an average of $1,400 on annual heating costs because of the work, which ranges in scope from sealing windows to better insulating walls to finding more efficient heating systems.

Richards said that if the state keeps offering funding programs at that pace, 12,500 homes will be made more efficient in five years, saving a total of 15 million gallons of fuel oil and “putting $67 million back in the hands of consumers.”

He said each weatherization project costs a homeowner an average of $6,000, with about $2,500 of that reimbursed by Efficiency Maine. With about $1,400 in savings per year, each project is making money for its homeowner within three years, he said.

But Richards said his company shrank from 20 employees to 12 when the Efficiency Maine funding dried up, suggesting increased funding for the program would restore jobs as well as save money for property owners.

“Last winter, every month when I saw the fuel truck pull in, it was cause for anxiety,” Salisbury said of the 26 Brackett St. property she owns. “Opening that bill felt a little like getting kicked in the head. Ultimately, I had to consider whether I wanted to keep wasting not only my money, but this precious resource as well.”

Not included in the strategy unveiled Thursday was an expansion of natural gas in the state, which LePage said last month he plans to promote during the upcoming legislative session.

The state Legislature has approved goals to reduce Maine’s dependence on oil by 30 percent by 2030, and by 50 percent by 2050. By implementing the state and federal policies detailed in the Environment Maine report promoted Thursday, organization leaders said, Maine could reduce its oil use by 29 percent by 2025 and by 39 percent by 2030.

Most of the steps called for by Environment Maine at the state level involve providing financial incentives for energy efficiencies in homes and transportation systems, as well as shoring up building codes to further promote such efficiencies.

“Natural gas is not a part of this road map,” Emily Figdor, director of Environment Maine, told the Bangor Daily News Thursday. “We’re saying we can do that without turning to other fuel sources that have their own host of environmental problems. We think Maine should be very cautious before we ramp up use of natural gas.”

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Anonymous

sounds like someone crying about how much money his business lost because his customers were funded by taxdollars of efficiency maine which he profited from
Anonymous

“Natural Gas is not a part of the process?

Gee George, what would happen if we winterized and switched to natural gas?

Do you think we could save twice the money?

Treehugger plans go as far as the green agenda will let them. Lepage’s plan for natural gas is a saviour for industrial as well as personal use.

These people need to support that concept. Hands down.
Anonymous

We know its not how much heat you use but how much you can keep in…no matter how tight your home is you still need a source of…. “reliable” heat…
Anonymous

I see a few of the Occupy group took time to shower and put on their Sunday best for a couple of hours of envirnomentalist propaganda.

We need to drill at home. We need natural gas and oil products. Wind is not cost effective, even with the massive taxpayer funded subsidies that it gets. Alternatives can be developed, but they have to be developed by the private sector without subsidies in order for them to develop properly. If the private donors don’t believe in an alternative source of energy, then we don’t need to waste taxpayer money on it. Just ask Solyndra.
Anonymous

Let’s all get hooked up to natural gas- and then watch the price skyrocket. Wonder how much they’re paying the guvnuh to push it?
Anonymous

” Gee George, what would happen if we winterized and switched to natural gas? ”

The price of natural gas will rise, again.
Ruining people’s water wells is not yet reflected in the current gas marketing price structure.
Anonymous

even if the price did skyrocket, at least the money would stay here and not go towards another skyscraper in the middle east, duh.
Anonymous

Just more spending on failed Liberal programs like Efficiency Maine which will do nothing to cut us being dependent on oil. The last time they wanted weatherization the money went into pet projects for Democrats . It also went to weatherizing Democrat State Reps and Senators homes like Emily Cain, Justin Alfond etc.. It’s time to abolish this failed program and let the private sector develop alternatives instead of the State & Federal Government get involved. Take Solyndra on the Federal Government level it gives you one more reason why Tax Dollars shouldn’t be used. The same is going on here in Madison with the Natural Gas Pipeline and Huge Power Station to sell power.
The Town Manager and Selectmen wants to borrow at least $72 million dollars just for the pipeline alone . So they can build it and put the taxpayers and their homes up as collateral.
Just say No to more Big Government before they put the taxpayers and state into financial ruin.
Anonymous

Was the plan written by 6th graders??? Sorry 6th graders I didn’t mean to insult you!!
Anonymous

A good way to go is the German way: provide subsidies on solar energy. If the
State of Maine paid half, then people could get solar hot water heat for around
$2,500, which would quickly pay for itself, because heating water is a
huge part of the electric bill. With the sun providing free
electricity, home owners would have more money to spend, thus spurring
the economy.

Maine and the Federal government already provide
subsidies for solar. We could have a huge solar push in Maine,
providing lots of jobs for installers, and huge cash benefits for people
who have solar.

Germany has made this switch, and the Wall Street Journal approves:

“Germany is proof that going green is good for business.”

http://online.wsj.com/ad/article/germany-environment.html
Anonymous

And if the sun doesn’t come out for a week?

Nobody likes cold showers………….

Solar is not feasible, you need hot water on demand, not when the sun decides to come out.
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JSSXKGI57ZI5GKTLPKZCQK6A4E Dude

We need access to JP Morgan’s vault to finally re-discover the plans for Tesla’s “free energy” towers. Oil, NatGas, Electric….none of these will EVER be “cost effective” as long as they are providing obscene profits to the “suppliers”. It’s naive to think that minimum MPG req’s are going to help when there are THOUSANDS of new drivers on the road each year. Electric cars are a “moot point” as well, since electricity requires fossil fuel to generate. A big change in our building methods would be a great first step…sacrifice a little “glamour” for a little “functionality”? Wind and Solar are also viable if used correctly…but again, needless waste is a big factor. A small, well insulated home would be quite comfortable relying just on these 2 sources.
Anonymous

It will always be cheaper than oil.

Did you have a point?
Anonymous

Weatherization and Federal energy auto guidelines and a thinly veiled attack on natural gas. That’s It? That’s all? That deserves a press conference? That deserves a headline? It looks like a hastily put together event to attempt to neutralize the governors plan. There is nothing new here otherwise.
Anonymous

Unfortunately, a lot of us wont be alive in 2030! We need some sort of relief NOW! Too many of the seniors are having to make choices of heat, food, or medicines. Forget about a lunch or 2 a month with friends. When the largest part of many Mainers budget and income must go to heat, it shows there is something wrong with our system. Change it now.
Anonymous

The US has more oil and gas wells drilled into its territory than the rest of the world combined. Our domestic oil production peaked WAY back in 1970 and the reason for that is all the easy oil and gas is long gone. I have my doubts about wind and solar replacing all the oil too, but that doesn’t mean I think drill, drill, drill is going to have much effect at this point.

Natural gas prices have proven to be extremely volatile. I won’t say don’t use it, but I’m glad I have wood heat back up and have insulated like crazy.
Anonymous

we went for weeks in Vietnam without any shower..haha a cold one would have been nice way back when.
Anonymous

I know I’m not getting any younger, but just how old is Rep. Alex Cornell du Houx?

Now, where are my reading glasses and walking cane? ….I left them around here somewhere….
Anonymous

I had natural gas for heat and water for 18 years in Colorado. Granted it was much more accessible there, BUT, it was more efficient, and healthier than oil for the house. And out west very cheap At the time.
Anonymous

There are plenty of systems out there that provide energy stored on sunny days and available on the cloudy ones. LMAO
Anonymous

So if you know the future, what’s next weeks lottery numbers ?

I think it is a good policy to always question an authoritarian’s motives.
Anonymous

Evidently you don’t know about fracking.
Anonymous

In a pinch I might let the two kids on the left mow my lawn.

However, I would not allow them to chart the energy course for this state. Let’s get some practical experience in the real world instead of acting upon theoretical propaganda that was spoon-fed by equally numb college professors.
Anonymous

Many of us tree huggers actually care enough about the world we will leave our children to do some research on our own about potential solutions. Natural gas has benefits and serious issues associated with it. It is not a solution for our overall energy dependence problems. I think it is a good temporary measure but we need more action to stop the insanity of our national energy policy. Efficiency programs are very effective and this is the easiest place to start. Solar and wind are not viable for the masses yet, but getting closer every day. If you ‘drill baby drill’ folks actually had to pay the full COST of petroleum, you would be with us.

There is much that can be done and we as a nation are not getting there. Natural gas will provide cheaper energy in the short run but add to the damage that is already happening from the extraction process. There are tens of thousands of people in this country that are being poisoned by the contaminants created by hydraulic fracturing. It is not fair or moral to seek temporary economic gain at the cost of others lives. In addition, as the demand increases, the price will climb, rapidly. I would not invest too much in this ‘savior’ you speak of.
Anonymous

Quite costly I see. I’ll stick with what I have.

If you’re such a proponent why don’t you utilize solar?

Or better yet. Why doesn’t everyone switch? We must all be real big dummies, yeah that’s it 99.9% of the country are just a bunch of dummies.

Go sell your green agenda somewhere else. That dog don’t hunt around here.
Anonymous

What about fracking?
Anonymous

Statistics are out there. They are meant for the uneducated.
Anonymous

My old man was in Korea. Said he broke ice to bathe.

I don’t doubt that even a cold shower would have felt good then.

I stand corrected!!
Anonymous

thank heaven thee is someone here with common sense , besides me!
you are quite correct Mr. ej parsons!! these agenda driven crackpot liberals will want to resort to everyone sitting around with a book of matches, trying to lite farts for heat next! yes, stupid and absurd, but just trying to illustrate the ignorance of these type of groups. they would attempt this!
Anonymous

“Statistics are out there. They are meant for the uneducated.”
“What about fracking? ”
_________________________________

It is done by big energy companies.

It is newly licensed technology, and it came on line at the same time as the Bush Recession.

The price of it’s product is low, now, is a result of increased production during an economic turn down.

But it’s the energy companies duty to their shareholders to see that the unit cost of each unit of energy is maximized, isn’t it ?

Step one, create more demand though marketing .

Anyone should be able to see it is Big Energy’s flavor of the day, and on sale, during and because of the Bush Recession.

Beware of price quotes used for your energy planning, because natural gas is the most volatile of petroleum products, economically.

The North American gas market is structurally more volatile than the … www.sbc.slb.com/…/Managing_Through_the_Volatile_North_Ameri..

“Too many factors are in play to accurately
forecast North American gas prices. In fact,
volatility is likely to be the norm, with
alternating periods of prices above and below
long-term sustainable levels. Structurally
building flexibility in the business model
is the safest way to succeed in such
an environment. ”

Schlumberger is the leading oilfield services
provider, trusted to deliver superior results and
improved exploration and production performance
for oil and gas companies around the world

But I must concede to your expertise on what are the real needs of the uneducated, sah.
Anonymous

Drill Drill Drill!
Anonymous

Du Houx is a paid wind shill.
Anonymous

The simple fact is, weatherization, which can be thought of as a bipartisan partial solution to both our environmental and economic woes, needs to continue no matter what. We often speak about job creation, we continully speak about our dangerous dependnecy on oil, we constantly discuss global climate change, and all the while our economy (which is being delfated by things such as inefficient energy use) is nagging our livelihoods. Now, call me a tree hugger or a pragmatist, but when energy conservation, I.E. weatherization, attacks problems of unemployment, economic stimulus, energy efficiency, and carbon output it can become a wonderful solution. I have completed my fair share of housing inspections/audits and weatherization work and there is not one Maine home that I have walked into that energy efficieny upgrades were not drastically needed. Whether we are using natural gas or oil, it is our obligation to put Mainers to work focusing jobs as much on energy conservation as on energy production.
Anonymous

The simple fact is, weatherization, which can be thought of as a bipartisan partial solution to both our environmental and economic woes, needs to continue no matter what. We often speak about job creation, we continully speak about our dangerous dependnecy on oil, we constantly discuss global climate change, and all the while our economy (which is being delfated by things such as inefficient energy use) is nagging our livelihoods. Now, call me a tree hugger or a pragmatist, but when energy conservation, I.E. weatherization, attacks problems of unemployment, economic stimulus, energy efficiency, and carbon output it can become a wonderful solution. I have completed my fair share of housing inspections/audits and weatherization work and there is not one Maine home that I have walked into that energy efficieny upgrades were not drastically needed. Whether we are using natural gas or oil, it is our obligation to put Mainers to work focusing jobs as much on energy conservation as on energy production.
Anonymous

E nvironmental terrorists are as bad if not worse than the Jihad against America.
Anonymous

Can you demonstrate anyone who has been poisoned?
Anonymous

Where does the $$ come from to pay 50%
Anonymous

The simple fact is, weatherization, which can be thought of as a bipartisan partial solution to both our environmental and economic woes, needs to continue no matter what. We often speak about job creation, we continully speak about our dangerous dependnecy on oil, we constantly discuss global climate change, and all the while our economy (which is being delfated by things such as inefficient energy use) is nagging our livelihoods. Now, call me a tree hugger or a pragmatist, but when energy conservation, I.E. weatherization, attacks problems of unemployment, economic stimulus, energy efficiency, and carbon output it can become a wonderful solution. I have completed my fair share of housing inspections/audits and weatherization work and there is not one Maine home that I have walked into that energy efficieny upgrades were not drastically needed. Whether we are using natural gas or oil, it is our obligation to put Mainers to work focusing jobs as much on energy conservation as on energy production.
Anonymous

Well, then you bathe in water that you put on top of your wood stove.

Aren’t you a real Maine Yankee ?
Anonymous

yes! see my reply to e.j.parsons! applies to those crackpots.liberals have exclusive claim to ignorant and arrogant!!
Anonymous

LOL.

Nothing I didn’t already know.

Like I said before, gas will always be cheaper than oil. Why do you think gas fired power plants are making a comeback? You’re going to tell the big three “GE” “SIEMENS” and “ALSTOM” to focus their core business’ on solar power??

Can you say SOLYNDRA???

A little fracking might have saved the taxpayers $535 million. Now what did you say was more feasible?

Did you say something about flavor of the day?

ROTFLMAO!!!
Anonymous

Oh God, the combustion gases might kill me first!!!

Treehuggers beware, someone is burning some wood. TAKE COVER!!! GAS MASK ALERT!!!!GAS MASK ALERT!!!!
Anonymous

They’d mow it with their solar powered lawnmowers.

They probably wear helmets mowing lawns. That’s the kind of people we’re dealing with here.

Crunch, crunch.
Anonymous

how much did the EPA regs have to do with that peak “way back in 1970″?
Anonymous

he forgot to mention that didn’t he?
Anonymous

thats the dodd/frank recession
Anonymous

Unfortunately, business won’t do well in this state and we certainly can’t be competitive until we get our energy costs down. Weatherization projects are not going to attract business, and that was the motivator for streamlining natural gas into the state. The other dirty fact behind weatherization is that just because you have a more efficient house doesn’t mean that you use less energy. Many studies done at the University of Maine showed that after winterizing people’s houses their energy consumption actually increased because of the fact that people feel comfortable with the idea that of having a well insulated home so they will increase the temperature in their home and heat more rooms than they normally would in the winter time. Same thing with vehicles, people are more prone to drive their gas friendly vehicles around for joy rides than people with SUV’s or trucks, and the small vehicles gas consumption will out do the large vehicle. Energy and business are not easy things to be successful with, it really is a multi-faceted approach, and the more that we don’t take advantage of the resources we have at our disposal, the more we will continue to fail at being competitive as a state.
Anonymous

Drill, baby, drill. We have enough oil off our own shores & on land as well as being the Saudi Arabia of coal. Along with natural gas, we could be self-sufficient for many decades to come.
Anonymous

Enviromental Maine has a lot of hot air to offer.

It’s free, and reliable!!
Anonymous

I challenge you to an energy audit to learn just how much of your hard earned dollars you are losing through inefficient energy use. By the way, fossil fuels are the most reliable heating source humans will ever have, and we are wasting most of it. This is not about the energy content, this is about our inability to realize what we are throwing out our window.
Anonymous

correct budsview! those 2 criminals, should be in same room as Bernard Madoff!also, joining them, kent conrad, byron dorgan. nothing has been done about these bottomfeeders.,if it were you or i, we’d be in jail. no different than Enron,franklin raines too, frank’s buddie from fred mack
Anonymous

There is more oil available in the North American Continent than in the middle east, but its mostly off limits.
Anonymous

If we don’t need to provide subsidies to energy sources like wind and solar, then why are we providing subsidies to oil? Also by the way 2010 and 2009 oil production has been higher than any of the last 4 years of Pres. Bush.
I say no more subsiding the oil companies, do you agree?
Anonymous

Not only that, solar panels work on cloudy days.
Anonymous

It’s right there in the Wall Street Journal, owned by Rupert Murdoch, who also owns Fox News–”Germany is proof that going green is good for business”
Anonymous

Which person is Ashley ??
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7ARBFNYJAE23QMOBALXD7FM4W4 gempaint

Alex Cornell du Houx, an avid supporter of wind power, is the outreach coordinator of the Truman National Security Project. This organization states a deep philosophical belief that climate change is a national security threat. On that subject one of their position papers includes the following statement concerning the threat of climate change to our country’s national security, “Even if you do not have complete information, you still need to take action! Waiting for 100% certainty during a crisis can be disastrous.” That sounds awfully like, “Shoot first then ask questions “. A sister organization of the Truman National Security Project is Operation Free, where Mr. Du Houx serves as Campaign Director. Operation Free lists as its first core motivational principal “get America running on clean energy”. In fact, the organization’s logo prominently features industrial wind turbines.…
Anonymous

Here we go, get out the candles – bees wax please, not petroleum based.
Anonymous

true, that is what we have for energy secretary, obamas energ sec, steven chu,said during Clinton”s tenure, that it wasn’t fair that the u.s. was paying so much less for gas and energy, that europe. this is your energy sec. also, obama’s friend and adviser, bill ayers, check him out, not a nice man
Anonymous

Good I assume you believe we should not subsidized anything concerning energy so therefore no more subsides to oil companies,, we agree. While we are about it lets stop paying for overruns on any military purchases.
Anonymous

Oil, Gas, Solar or Coal it’s all good, just as long as it doesn’t require green credits to be cost competitive
Anonymous

yes thats correct.
Anonymous

Oil subsidies only make up 13 percent of the total subsidies, and that 13 percent brings musch more to the economy and the people than the other 87 percent combined. But, I will agree to cutting the oil subsidies if all the others are cut.

This cannot be argued with: If the private sector believes in a product, it will fund the product. If the private sector stays away from a product and the government steps in with subsidies, there are those that will gladly accept the money even if they know their efforts will fail. The proof is in the pudding.

Let the private sector do what it does best and get the government out of the equation altogether, and things will work out.
Anonymous

We’ve been winterizing homes through one program or the other since I returned to Maine 35 years ago. The only thing that’s happened, is as consumption went down, the price went up. For every gallon of oil saved, the cost went up the equivalent of two gallons.

What people need is an alternate fuel to compete with oil. Competition is the only way to keep the price down. We do live in a market driven economy, not an economy driven by people who dream in technicolor.
Anonymous

subsidies to solar and wind?? no way. look at your buddy obama’s solyndra. good investment, jst as effective as his $800,000,000,000 plus so called stimulus, huh?? did you know that close to all of the turbines for wind generation ar made, you guessed it, china and few other foreign joints. along with the support,s. i have examined many of these, and they are not made here. ive seen them on trucks on way to location, and coming in on boats. so go ahead obama, brag about your green jobs related to these wind turbines. only a few for installation,and they aren’t for ever!
Anonymous

Refer to my reply to you above.

As for oil production, the President is going around telling us all that the US is at its highest level of oil production in history. That is simply a bold faced lie. He says he’s opened up more land to drill on, while neglecting to tell us that the reserves in these areas are small and expensive to extract, and that the environmental hoops that need to be jumped through have effectively delayed any drilling for at least a decade. Finally, he’s expressed that the Gulf is open for business, neglecting the fact that only 3 permits have been issued, and 2 of them are for already, in-place rigs. And he forgot to mention that nearly 20 of the rigs that were there before the BP spill have moved and are drilling for competiting countries, like Brazil and Mexico. Oops. Almost forgot that Obama is helping fund Brazilian oil exploration so we can become their number one customer.

That’s just one of the many issues that should encourage real Americans to make sure Obama is a one-termer.
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SHNOU64ZBOBIKWUF5IM6WSH7WA entitled4life

I am all for reducing dependancy on foreign oil. How much will this 40% drop cost us in alternative energy sources? Who will pay since we are all strapped for cash? If government is top provide incentives, where will that money come from? Too many questions to even think about this proposal.
Anonymous

Oh God, the combustion gases might kill me first!!!
Ah-yup , in your case they just might, but isn’t avoiding stuff like that why your care giver gets paid to watch you ?

B’bye.
Anonymous

well, these fracking jokers,think everyone is as uninformed as they are,and want to run everyone’s life.
Anonymous

Heating oil can be eliminated by converting to geothermal heat
Check out http://www.ELCOgeothermal.com for more information.
I do not purchase any heating oil, my home is toasty warm and I have personally cut my utility expenses by over 50%.
Anonymous

yes,and if Obama got his way, you would be penalizedfor using any of the previous mentioned. his cap and trade, your electric bill would of been out of sight, everything way up,and businesses, out!mike michaud supported this bill. google “obama’s cap and trade” video, youtube, you can wath it come out of the devil himselfs mouth.
Anonymous

Like the baby with the partisan, corporate, 1%, no compromise bath … or is it tea … water ?

How has their cutting taxes for the wealthy plan worked out , so fah ?
Anonymous

the money will come from the chinks,obama and his cohorts have no problem getting us into more debt with them.and you thought george bush was bad!
Liberal Soup N Crackers

While natural gas might not be part of the environmentalists road map, it is a part of Maine’s road map to reducing reliance on imported oil. Weatherizing older homes is not going to take Maine to any place near the numbers touted by this group. Winterization via insulation and efficient appliances is an admirable objective however taking out of one pocket to give to another does not put more cash into the hands of Maine’s consumers.

Instead of soap selling by special interests such as Environment Maine, we need a comprehensive energy plan across the country that utilizes our own rich resources including oil, natural gas, coal, biomass, solar and nuclear. Until a technology breakthrough can occur with alternative sources of mass energy production, we have to take incremental steps to accomplish the objective of breaking the dependence on foreign imports.
Anonymous

so lets vote out mike
Anonymous

excellent idea, but get a bunch of dolts to realize what this man is about.can someone please wake up?? he is a manchild, as is Obama!
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DK2NSO2GYJSIRQOPYAXLKVEIA4 James

I woder if these young fellas ever woke up in the moring in January and had to tip toe down cellar and restart the wood furnace? Lesson 101 might help them decide to start the fire even though the smoke would harm at ozone layer. I admire what they are doing but they need a few more practical experiences in cold weather survival, such as the quickest way to unbotton the trap door on your longjohns, before they convince me to stop using fossil fuel. I don’t like sending our money to the arab;s but it sure beats hovering over a can of sterno.
Anonymous

The government ya know. They can just tax someone it will all work out…
Anonymous

Nice work by this group, good job in putting the need into human terms. LePage is on the absolute wrong track. Natural gas is not the way to go, it’s way too expensive to lay pipe to have any impact on residential users, LePage is apparently paving the way for state backed loans to build million dollar a a mile pipeline for business customers. Why does the state have to get involved in any of that?
Anonymous

you aren’t justa s___ttin! and remove pingree and the infamous mike michaud
if anyone thinks Obama and Michaud are doing us any good, or favors, your head must be on empty, as our oil tanks are in the basement!
Anonymous

PLEASE READ THE FINE PRINT under the piece! It is an advertisement which is followed by a disclaimer that the Dow Jones Co. and WSJ had nothing to do with it. It sounds like a PR piece from the German EPA.
Anonymous

And the evidence of “ruining people’s water wells” please?

LOL, It’s a bit comical to read comments from environmentalist reactionaries who have no concept of hydrogeology and groundwater. Get educated please. The formations being developed are at ~5000 feet and the wells are cased to well below 1000 feet in most cases to prevent shallow aquifer intrusion. Now when was the last time you heard one of your neighbors talking about the 1000 foot well they just drilled for their water? You’ve never heard it, because most wells do not exceed 500 feet, as at that point it is cost prohibitive to continue and rock formations tapped as a source for water are typically only a few hundred feet below the surface.
Anonymous

So you don’t actually understand the technology of hydraulic fracturing?

I certainly sounds as though you don’t and are simply reacting to the inane banter you heard on NPR and read on HuffPost
Anonymous

lol, hey kids let me know when you have been out of a classroom for more than 5 seconds and I’ll let you decide the energy future of our state. Have you ever had a paycheck? I think not.
hasacluemaine

This is Jimmy Carter redux….most homes are far more energy efficient than they were during the Carter administraion…nothing to see here folks, but a special interest media party. Move along. Natural gas is America’s independence and future. Get with the program or get left behind.
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7T3YNF6MG3FPEAVTFIJC44VQUI Dlbrt

Wake up!

Nobody is taking about Hydrogen Power with Wind and Solar power to make the conversion of water to enrgy because they want to siphon the last drop of fossil fuel energy for the dime!
Anonymous

Like many Mainers I own a pickup truck and use it for things only a pickup truck can do. Please tell me how you plan on getting 54 miles per gallon out of a full size half ton pickup truck weighing almost 6000 pounds. maybe we should fire all automotive engineers and replace them with these environmental folks. looks like they have all the answers…

Oh I get it we’ll make hybrid trucks! Yeah they’ll use almost no gasoline cause we’ll just plug em in! What a novel idea. We can use electricity because electricity is much better than fossil fuels!

I think it’s evident here that we need more engineers…
Anonymous

and we have proven it is not fossil fuel … oil does not come from bones…. geeesh
Anonymous

Sounds like someone working for the oil industry. Natural gas is abuntant, readily available in most states. The US has over one hundred years of known reserves. And like any other fuel source it has its dangers.
Anonymous

So… How many watt-hours of solar generated electricity is required to drive 100 miles at the equivalent hydrogen usage of 20 miles/gallon of gasoline. What would be the cost per mile if you had to invest in a solar array large enough to generate enough hydrogen to drive 100 miles per day at this rate? (assume a 3-year payback on the project cost)
Anonymous

I think that you could save 2/3 to 3/4. Just changing over to natural gas will save you half or more.

My sister in Illinois spends about as much to heat her home for an entire winter as I spend in one month.
Anonymous

We will probably be allowed to get ‘natural gas’ about the same time our leaders decide to build the ‘Quoddy Dam’ project’ (another cheap energy source), and less harmful to the people, just as soon as we can get a few ‘not bought and sold’ folks, to run things in Augusta.
Anonymous

“In a pinch I might let the two kids on the left mow my lawn.”

You are proof that old people can be just as numb as youngsters.
Anonymous

Go drink some more tea…the amount you’ve drank so far hasn’t helped your intelligence level.
Anonymous

Natural gas is overblown, thanks to fossil fuel companies inflating their claims of reserves to boost the value of their companies and also to boost the chance that they will be able to get their hands on subsidies…at least according to investigative reporting by the NY Times.
Anonymous

“Ruining people’s water wells is not yet reflected in the current gas marketing price structure.”

You make a terrific point, sir… not that the right wing wackos here who care more about fossil fuel profits than anything else will be able to understand your perspective.
Anonymous

You can toss in Scooter Libby while you’re at it…
Anonymous

Dick Cheney is the one who deserves to be in jail for his Halliburton cronyism.
Anonymous

“gas will always be cheaper than oil…”

Until gas becomes scarce as all finite fossil fuel sources are destined to become. Depending on how popular your “fossil fuel of choice” becomes, the price is likely to rise sooner rather than later… Simple supply and demand economics about which you tea party economic experts ought to have some clue.
Anonymous

And your inane banter comes from the gluttonous drug addict Rush Limbaugh…. what’s your point?
Anonymous

Here’s a case for you to review, published in August by the New York Times… read all about it at the link below. Also:

“Researchers, however, were unable to investigate many suspected cases because their details were sealed from the public when energy companies settled lawsuits with landowners.
Current and former E.P.A. officials say this practice continues to prevent them from fully assessing the risks of certain types of gas drilling.

“I still don’t understand why industry should be allowed to hide problems when public safety is at stake,” said Carla Greathouse, the author of the E.P.A. report that documents a case of drinking water contamination from fracking. “If it’s so safe, let the public review all the cases.”

Ms. Greathouse, the former environmental research contractor and the lead author of the 1987 E.P.A. report, said that she and her colleagues had found “dozens” of cases that she said appeared to specifically involve drinking water contamination related to fracking. But they were unable to investigate those cases further and get access to more documents because of legal settlements. All but the Parsons case were excluded from the E.P.A. study, she said, because of pressure from industry representatives who were members of an agency working group overseeing the research.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/04/us/04natgas.html?pagewanted=all
Anonymous

AMEN
Anonymous

How did you like watching 200 million gallons of crude spilled into the Gulf of Mexico in the summer of 2010, EJ? How does that atrocity jive with your biblical philosophy of loving God’s creation?

By the way, natural gas and oil get tens of billions of dollars in subsidies which you have raised nary a whimper about.
Anonymous

“…these agenda driven crackpot liberals will want to resort to everyone sitting around with a book of matches, trying to lite farts for heat next!”

Lighting farts is exactly what you and your fellow crackpot tea partyers will be doing when your finite fossil fuels inevitably run dry.
Anonymous

How about that trillion dollar subsidy to keep the US military in the Middle East to protect the oil supply? Add that to your little equation, and see how long the petroleum industry lasts without government support.
Anonymous

And replace him with one of your tea party fanatics? Ha! Will never happen…
Anonymous

the oil tanks are empty because nobody can afford to pay OPEC for the goods anymore…
Anonymous

Stevie Boy, you’re just wrong about everything, aren’t you? In September, Bloomberg Businessweek reported that a Dutch wind turbine manufacturer was moving into an abandoned Whirlpool plant in Evansville, Indiana with plans to create 400 jobs by 2014. In Virginia, unions are supporting offshore wind in the belief that they can create thousands of jobs. Businessweek reports: “The union leaders said Virginia has the skilled workforce to help build an industry that one estimate said could generate more than 10,000 jobs.” Also in September, the Associated Press reported about a German company setting up shop in Arkansas to build turbine components, which will create hundreds of manufacturing jobs.

According to the National Renewable Energy Laboratory (US Dept of Energy), new turbine component manufacturing plants opened in 13 states in 2009, including Colorado, Texas, Idaho, Iowa, Minnesota, Pennsylvania and Illinois. More than 70 companies manufacture turbine components in the Great Lakes area alone, including Michigan, Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio and Pennsylvania. American turbine manufacturing plants span the entire United States from coast to coast, according to the NREL.

Also, University of Maine engineering scientists believe their work in offshore wind technology could lead to breakthroughs that could create a new manufacturing industry here in Maine. I say: Give them a chance.
Anonymous

Hahah… forget about it, Tea Partyers! Mike is here to stay and there ain’t a bloody thing you can do about it except hope that he decides to retire within the next ten or twenty years….
Anonymous

“get America running on clean energy”… sounds like an incredibly wise philosophy to me. What do you have against the idea?
Anonymous

What an ignorant statement. Tell it to the victims of 9/11, smart guy.
Anonymous

every one that i or anyone i know has looked at these, have made in china or another countryon id. plate dutch plant in indiana? when? 2014? well this is 2011. sure give em a chance, but not with your or my tax dollars, that is if you work.you probably dont like oil subsidies, well wind turbines should not get any money either.i dont like oil subs. i bet you like solyndra too.Mainah. i’m
not wrong any any account. if they can start making them here Great! but dont be like solyndra. oh, also, g.e. can create jobs here too, obama’sjob czar, what did he do? send the jobs to china, the unions will keep out most of the proposed jobs. nrel? us dept of energy? steven chu? thats a geat source of info. trust that guy!
Anonymous

I’m not even sure how the BDN allows a bigoted ignoramus like you to comment on their site.
Anonymous

Don’t complicate things for the tea partyers with your facts, SD…
Anonymous

the Goods, could come from our soil, but people like you keep voting in people like michaud, and obama, that are stalling growth, purposely., heck, i bet you will want the wind turbines shut down, the first time you see a crow or seagull fly into the blades of a turbine, right?
Anonymous

You are right on that. Bangor Hydro had a program to help customers with pipe insulation and hot water heater wraps and an energy audit. When their usage dropped, they applied to the PUC for a price increase. I suspect the consumer will never win. The local propane co. was advertising free hot water tanks with a 1 year contract to buy from them. Shortly after, the price of propane doubled. Such is the case with the energy industry. Nat. gas will surely follow the trend after enough customers sign on. The retrofit might be affordable for an oil furnace, but the trick is using less of everything so it remains affordable.
Anonymous

nyt, investigative reporting?what did they do, hire dan rather? that’ll get ya the truth!
Anonymous

They are making ‘em here. Great! That’s the point…
Anonymous

I would convert my pu to propane. It is not too expensive a kit. Imagine a diesel electric semi.
Anonymous

cheney turned that company around and made it profitable, do you employ thousands?
Anonymous

and from what neo-fascist right wing blog do you get all of your wonderful facts, Stevie Boy?
Anonymous

how did you like watching 200 million gallons of oil spewing into the Gulf of Mexico, pally? And the goods don’t all come from our soil…if you don’t believe me then check the EIA stats.
Anonymous

and you too wil be paying the price of his and YOUR IGNORANCE !as you are now, but aren’t bright enough to realize it!
Anonymous

…He made Halliburton plenty profitable with no-compete contracts in a time of war (a war which he started, by the way) Yes, you’re all about being a champion of business ethics, aren’t you, Stevie Boy?
Anonymous

Just the fact that he ticks off a big blustery know-it-all bigot like you is worth the price of admission.
Anonymous

hey, brainsurgeon, clinton did same, and there is 1 other company that does that same type of work,do you know the name and what company owns it??kellog brown and root, owned by halliburton. pretty hard to bid out, if the only other company with the capbility to do this is owned by halliburton, atleast it was .at the time .
Anonymous

you are sadly misinformed, libby did not disclose any one from cia, get your info correct, do you know who leaked her to novak?? bet ya dont
Anonymous

So, you condone Cheney’s cronyism? Then you should be in jail too…
Anonymous

That is just pure wishful thinking.
Anonymous

For oil production per year go to http://www.indexmundi.com/energy.aspx?country=us&product=oil&graph=production I am sure you will not go there but if you do you will see the last 4 yrs. of Pres. Bush the oil production was less in each year than 2009 and 2010.
As far as Obama funding Brazilian oil exploration, it is an out and out lie. The truth is the Import -Export bank which is financed by private money and has 5 people who make decisions as to where the money goes. The people are there to help US companies with exports and they loaned money to Brazil in hopes Brazil will buy equipment from US companies. The people that made the loan were appointed by Pres. Bush and no taxpayer money is involved.
YOU KNOW EJ YOU ARE ENTITLED TO YOUR OWN OPINION BUT NOT YOUR OWN FACTS.
I WOULD BE WILLING TO BET ANY AMOUNT OF MONEY MY FACTS ARE TRUE!!!!!!!!!

Another place to check oil production http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MCRFPUS2&f=A

I have explained this to you twice before and you just don’t get it, but for god sake stop spreading your lies, it does not do you any good, it makes you look like a fool.
Anonymous

I told no lies. And why do you keep refering to the last 4 years of the Bush administration? That doesn’t refute anything that I posted.
Anonymous

200 million gallons of oil in the Gulf was like taking an eye dropper and dropping 2 drops of oil in an olympic swimming pool.

By the way, accidents happen, especially when our government restricts shallow water drilling and forces companies to drill in water over a mile deep.
Anonymous

LOL…nice dude. Get a clue about groundwater science.
Anonymous

As I replied to your similar comment:

200 million gallons of oil in the Gulf was like taking an eye dropper and dropping 2 drops of oil in an olympic swimming pool.

By the way, accidents happen, especially when our government restricts shallow water drilling and forces companies to drill in water over a mile deep. I live on the Gulf Coast. Our beaches are still white, and the water is still green, just as it has been for a very long time. And the Gulf shrimp are delicious.
Anonymous

So basically private property owners were offered a compensation package for “perceived” impacts to their drinking water? And NO ONE has brought a case to court claiming tresspass or nuissance? What is your beef my man? People who own private property should be able to do as they please. Do you want me and my family coming over to your house and telling you how things should go?
Anonymous

Get a clue about drinking contaminated water.
Anonymous

And what about the left wing wackos who have absolutely zero evidence to back their supposed claims of residential well contamination?

If your “perspective” is rooted in fiction, how can you ask others to take it seriously?
Anonymous

The beef is that we have evidence of coverups from the industry that fracks… get it?
Anonymous

Companies are drilling in water over a mile deep because that’s where the remaining reserves are. And you’re living in a morbid fantasy land if you don’t think that 200 million gallons of spilled oil has done great harm to the ecology of the Gulf. Bury your head in the sand if you must. But then, I don’t really expect that you would care about the ecology of the Gulf.
Anonymous

“tens of thousands of people in this country that are being poisoned by the contaminants created by hydraulic fracturing”

Really? What are the “contaminants” and where is the evidence of poisoning

Nothing but more reactionary hyperbole from the left as their “reality” gets squeezed.!
Anonymous

And how is this different from wind and solar being overblown?

With a realistic monetary policy, these moronic notions would never occur…simple allocation of risk would preclude such foolish ventures
Anonymous

Keep praying to God that you aren’t ingesting carcinogens with your shrimp, EJ. After all, there was plenty of carcinogenic dispersant that was dumped into the Gulf too, and there are plumes of dispersant, oil globs, and dead organisms still floating in the Gulf, as attested by marine scientists in Blue Hill, Maine, who dove in the area to see for themselves.
Anonymous

Only a right wing wacko would suggest that New York Times reporting is fiction. I’m certain there are plenty of people who take the Times seriously, though someone who is deeply biased in favor of the natural gas industry will deny the facts until there is not another cent to be made at the expense of our groundwater.
Anonymous

Wind and solar have a future, because they are not a finite resource like natural gas is, nor are they controlled by foreign powers that might insist that we pay dearly for the natural gas that they supply to us.
Anonymous

i think you just pissed in lifetime_mainah’s cheerios!good work! keep it up!
Anonymous

the only ones who ruined water are the crackpot libs, as you, that insisted on putting mtbe in gas, that got into the ground water.
Anonymous

About as much as regulations had to do with oil peaking in Mexico, Iran, Indonesia, Egypt, and a whole lot of other places that have since seen oil production fall way off – very little, unless you actually think those countries have any kind of environmental protections – they don’t. Eygpt and Indonesia have actually become net oil *importing* nations in the past few years.

But, nothing I say here will convince those that have already made up their mind that the world, especially under the US, is just OOZING oil, if only the lefties would get out of the way.

……..Sure……………

But take the hint: prepare your life for way less oil and natural gas, because one way or the other, you *know* this change is coming.
Anonymous

they wont run dry in our time knucklehead, or heaver forbid if you had any, your childrens lifetime, either!
Anonymous

hey, it is not a lie, the bamster, admin, gave brazil millions, or billions, to aid in off shore drilling. also, he is giving colombia,or aiding colombia in buildind a refinery, but the america hater wont do it here. sad but true.
Anonymous

correct again ej. and the do their damnedest to stop land based drilling . heck, even just 1 time ,NPR got something right 1 time. i wont go into detail, they make me ill.
Anonymous

Why don’t you feed some Gulf water to your family, Stevie…that’s some good old fashioned GOP drill baby drill mentality that put the crude in that water.
Anonymous

They’re already running dry, which is why knuckleheads like you send the sons and daughters of other families to foreign battlefields to make sure you have plenty of fossil fuels to satiate your thirst.
Anonymous

god, your stupidity is infinite, isn’t it?? people like you are the reason costs are on upward swing, i bet you believed al gore when he proclaimed he invented the internet!
Anonymous

I can imagine you sitting at your keyboard and pondering for hours to come up with your elaborate and scintillating arguments. Here’s some advice. Go back to school.
Anonymous

You make me look like Albert Einstein.
Anonymous

LOL…so everything the NY Times reports os true?

Provide an actual peer reviewed, scientific publication that challenges the efficacy of hydraulic fracturing concerning groundwater contamination. You got nothing and you are a freak….seriously, what is wrong with you?
Anonymous

einstein was not a good looking man! and your mother made you look like him! haaaa! your a fool!
Anonymous

LOL…is Pennsylvania a “foreign power”?

The more you blog, the more foolish you sound!
Anonymous

You don’t even have a New York Times article to back you up, Big John, let alone a peer reviewed scientific publication that claims that all fracking is environmentally friendly. What is wrong with you?
Anonymous

We don’t get all of our natural gas from Pennsylvania, Genius.
Anonymous

I sense that you are going to pop a vein in your forehead at any moment.
Anonymous

LOL…yes because without government support, the oil industry woulde be unable to support our entire domestic groundfleet, all domestic demand for gasoline, and all domestic demand for heating oil…yes, by all means, without the government, people would buy their oil….”elsewhere”…?
Anonymous

what do you put in your gas tank? sea water?or arent you allowed to drive mommy’s car yet??
Anonymous

LOL…Marcellus Shale…you’re not a play, you’re NOT a genius!

Keep on, keepin’ there chum…tell Dylan I said “hello”!
Anonymous

The big difference between you and me, besides your inferior IQ factor, is that you like things just the way they are.
Anonymous

if i can stop laughing at you, i’ll be ok! thanks for the deep rooted concern!i gotta go to bed. i work in morning, you collect welfare or a fraud in ssi disability? oil and gas wells? i see them all the time, just today, saw hundreds of them what do you know about them??
Anonymous

hey, i even like that one!!
Anonymous

Many experts claim that Marcellus Shale reserves are as overblown as other industry claims, and are not nearly as plentiful, or as inexpensive to extract as the industry would want the public to believe. Why are you so quick to criticize renewables while swallowing gas industry propaganda hook, line and sinker?
Anonymous

At last… you understand. Even the Big Five oil CEOs said that their subsidies were indispensible when testifying before Congress earlier this year.
Anonymous

liberalism is a mental disorder, and you are the perfect example. hey, GOD BLESS YA ANYWAY, EVEN THOUGH YOU DONT BELIEVE IN THE ALMIGHTY.GOOD NITE! ITS GETTIN COLD HERE IN UTAH NOW.
Anonymous

Keep working on that grammar. Sooner or later it’ll come to you.
Anonymous

You live in Utah, hmm? Right next door to Cheney. Hahaha, well that explains a lot. Adios, Pal.
Anonymous

Nice sentiment toward a former Marine and verteran. I would be proud to mow his lawn. You can keep your weed infested dump just the way you seem to have cultivated it.
Anonymous

The oil sands of the upper Midwest US contain more oil that the entire Arabian peninsula.
Check out the Bureau of Land management Website for more data.
Anonymous

The contaminants are what you would expect when opening up pockets of hydrocarbons under the earths crust, such as benzene and other hydrocarbons. There have been many sources documenting this. The EPA has various studies that suggest that improperly tapped wells can contaminate aquifers. The documentary film “Gasland” is explicitly about this problem.

You can hold your API/Big Oil position and say Prove It, like was done with the risks of smoking cigarettes. Mark my words that fracking will soon be widely known and will be seen as the greatest environmental catastrophe since Love Canal. I understand there are those who get there information from “corporate”sponsored sources and they will never report the truth of their own culpability.
Anonymous

Please give me your source for the millions and billions of money given to Brazil for off shore drilling. I will not accept Fox News as an answer. The so called loan to Brazil is explained at the following web site http://www.exim.gov/brazil/petrobasfacts.cfm The same deal for the Colombia loan to Reficar for a refinery. These loans are sometimes backed by the Export-Import bank and other times they are direct loans. This bank has been in business for over 75 years and its main purpose is to loan money so that American companies can export their goods to other countries. I suggest you try to educate yourself before spealing these non truths.
My guess is you will not look this up as your buddy E J still keeps insisting Obama gave Brazil the money however nobody has given me any proof what so ever.
Anonymous

Believe what you want, or what the left-wing media feeds you. I have lived on the Gulf Coast for 16 years, and know what goes on down here. I also know the effect of the BP oil spill because it effected my life and the lives of many around me.

As for deep water drilling, the oil reserves that are tapped through deep water drilling could be tapped with shallow water rigs using the directional drilling technology that was developed about a decade ago. But, the government has restricted shallow water drilling, and the rigs are forced into deep water. In other words, the government restrictions are actually raising the possibility of disasters happening. And the Obama administration loves the increased danger, because when disasters happen, it gives them the opportunity to highlight them, intervene, and make them worse in order to push their anti-oil agenda.

Sound familiar?
Anonymous

just like any crackpot liberal you think you know everything about all,i bet you dont work. for your information, im out here working, i live in maine, and unfortunately, the state is infested with incorrigable reprobates like you!
Anonymous

And the evidence of “ruining people’s water wells” please?
_________________________

If you are too bigoted to accept the newspaper of record, how about the WSJ ?

Woman lights fracking-polluted tap water on fire
By Xeni Jardin at 3:03 pm Monday, Sep 26
In the Wall Street Journal today, this extraordinary photograph of a Pennsylvania woman lighting water on fire as it pours out of her kitchen sink faucet. State regulators have attributed the contamination to natural-gas drilling. Full WSJ story here (site reg/paywall). Via Pro Publica, which has much more on the topic here.

http://boingboing.net/2011/09/26/woman-lights-fracking-polluted-tap-water-on-fire-photo.html

Or see another example of the same here;

http://youtu.be/U01EK76Sy4A
Anonymous

Drink this;

http://youtu.be/U01EK76Sy4A

Then call 911 :
Anonymous

All these CO2 fanatics are ruining Maine’s economy and environment.
Get the darn gas lines in and let these children play with their own wind toys and solar flux generators.
The rest of us need real power at low cost from clean natural gas , and other dense sources like biomass, hydro, etc…
Anonymous

Paind Wind Shills like Mainah having a bad day of it it seems.
Anonymous

“As for deep water drilling, the oil reserves that are tapped through deep water drilling could be tapped with shallow water rigs using the directional drilling technology that was developed about a decade ago.”
ROTFLOL.

So that is like a drilling fifty mile deep well just to get to where the Deepwater Horizon was, right ?

So did you drink the Kook Aid or tea ?
Anonymous

natural gas prices are going down, sorry.
And there is plenty of it for Maine.
Anonymous

Lifetime_Mainah is a Left_Wingah!
http://twitter.com/imahappy123 Sherry Shelton

I believe electricity comes from many more sources than just fossil fuels. Solar and wind have been proven to be unviable. My land borders an electric power line and a natural gas pipeline, yet I can’t get a discount by getting connected – any my furnace runs on K2 yet I can’t get help to convert to different system for heating…… I either 1) make too much money (what a joke) or 2) credit is not sufficient to give me a loan. What are we supposed to do? We are all stuck due to this horrible economy and rising heating costs! We are prisoners to foreign oil and speculators….
http://twitter.com/imahappy123 Sherry Shelton

So where are we supposed to get the cash to convert to the latest economic heat provider and who’s to say that next year it wouldn’t be more expensive than the alternatives? It has happened again and again. Electricity is cheaper, then it’s natural gas is cheaper, then it’s solar and wind is cheaper…. it never ends and it usually starts costing more – supply and demand – I don’t our way of living supports that theory any more – speculators are involved…
Anonymous

Claiming that I don’t work (an utterly false claim, by the way) only goes to show that you know nothing about anything.

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