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Maine Republicans may suspend rules to pass their redistricting plan

Posted Sept. 23, 2011, at 7:28 p.m.
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AUGUSTA, Maine — Despite repeated attempts over the last few weeks, Republicans and Democrats in Augusta have not come together on a congressional redistricting plan, setting up a legislative showdown during next week’s special session.

When the dust settles, one of two plans likely will be approved by the GOP-controlled House and Senate, but neither plan is expected to get a two-thirds majority.

Republicans indicated on Friday that they plan to pass their plan — one Democrats strongly oppose — with a simple majority vote, something that goes against not only tradition but also requires a temporary suspension of rules.

“To be honest, I’d like to see a consensus, but there is ample precedent for a simple majority,” said Senate President Kevin Raye, R-Perry. “The Democrats used that provision many times when they were in charge.”

Democrats vowed to fight, but they understand the math is not in their favor.

“I’m very disappointed, especially since we have found compromise on the toughest issues this session like the budget and regulatory reform,” said House Minority Leader Emily Cain of Orono. “It is wrong to change the rules in the middle of the game just because you can’t win.”

So what does it all mean politically?

Depending on the tenor of next Tuesday’s debate, it could set the stage for the 125th Legislature’s second regular session, which convenes in January.

If Republicans stick with their plan, which some critics have called a radical shift designed to improve the party’s chances in the next 2nd District race, Democrats could be less likely to compromise on other matters.

Gov. Paul LePage and House and Senate Republicans hope to advance an ambitious agenda that builds off the successes of the first session, but they could need the minority party’s help.

“It’s definitely going to give pause to Democrats if the rules are going to be changed in order to put forward certain agendas,” said Sen. Seth Goodall of Richmond, the Democrats’ lead negotiator on redistricting. “We should be moving forward in good faith but we don’t believe they are doing that.”

Raye argued it’s the Democrats holding up compromise with “public posturing and partisan broadsides.”

Here is what’s on the table Tuesday regarding redistricting:

The Democrats’ “Vassalboro-Gardiner plan” shifts the Kennebec County towns of Gardiner, Vassalboro, Vienna, Rome and Unity Township into the 2nd District and moves Oakland and Wayne into the 1st District.

Their plan, the third option offered by Democrats, achieves the population deviation of one that Republicans said was essential. It affects about 20,000 voters and splits only Kennebec County, which already is divided between the 1st and 2nd Districts.

Republicans don’t like it because it protects the status quo.

The Republicans’ “Western Maine plan” moves Lincoln, Knox and Sagadahoc counties from the 1st District to the 2nd District and moves Oxford and Androscoggin counties from the 2nd to the 1st.

Kennebec County would be contained entirely in the 2nd District and Franklin County would be divided between the two.

Among other things, the GOP plan would shift one-quarter of the state’s voters from one district to the other and would move more than 8,000 Republicans into the 2nd District. Some Democrats have called the plan the “Kevin Raye plan” because the Perry lawmaker is rumored to be challenging 2nd District Rep. Mike Michaud in 2012.

The GOP plan also would put Pingree’s hometown of North Haven squarely in the 2nd District, a move Democrats have said is unnecessary and vindictive.

Raye, however, said it’s not the Legislature’s responsibility to protect Pingree or Michaud and he believes the Republican plan helps fight the “two Maines” phenomenon.

Democrats, however, say the Republican plan worsens the “two Maines” problem by creating one district that is mostly urban and another that is almost entirely rural.

A committee of Republicans and Democrats spent two months working on several options, only to remain miles apart in the end. Michael Friedman, a Bangor lawyer and independent who was chairman of the redistricting committee, supported the Democrats’ plan.

Although two recommendations have been forwarded, the Legislature can consider any plan, even one that hasn’t been debated publicly.

The same GOP-controlled Legislature this year passed a resolution proposing an amendment to the Constitution of Maine to require two-thirds of each legislative branch to approve congressional redistricting proposals.

Because that involves changing the state’s constitution, Maine voters must weigh in. That won’t happen until November, though, long after the Legislature makes its decision on redistricting.

How can Republicans who supported that constitutional amendment only a few months ago now be comfortable with a simple majority?

“Currently, all we need is a majority,” Raye said. “If voters approve that amendment, things will be different 10 years from now.”

Democrats believe the Republicans’ plan will backfire.

“The Republicans support the bipartisan rule as long as it doesn’t apply to them this one time,” said Rep. John Martin, D-Eagle Lake, who served on the redistricting commission. “They will have to answer to Maine voters.”

Republicans hold majorities in the Senate and House, but the margin in the House is small. If only a few members defect, their plan could be doomed.

One Republican close to the redistricting discussion said this week that if a House or Senate Republican did not vote for the GOP plan, “they wouldn’t be a Republican for very long.”

If the Republicans’ plan passes with a simple majority next Tuesday, some have speculated it would face a legal challenge.

Goodall said his caucus is focused on the legislative process first.

“The process right now is that if a plan doesn’t get two-thirds support, it can get sent to the court,” he said.

Courts have drawn the congressional district lines in each of the last three decades and tend to favor less disruption than more.

“The Republicans clearly don’t want the courts to decide this,” Goodall said.

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7T3YNF6MG3FPEAVTFIJC44VQUI Dlbrt

    Let an impartial court decide,

    If they can find one! 

  • Anonymous

    Rules are for the little people, not republicans.

  • Anonymous

    Ah yet again…when the ROBthePUBLICans don’t get their way…they just toss the rules out the window and, well, ROBthePUBLIC. Can’t wait to hear the “I know you are but what am I” defense from those suckers who still fall for this foolishness…..

  • Anonymous

    Ah yet again…when the ROBthePUBLICans don’t get their way…they just toss the rules out the window and, well, ROBthePUBLIC. Can’t wait to hear the “I know you are but what am I” defense from those suckers who still fall for this foolishness…..

  • Anonymous

    Who really cares?????/
    This is nothing but a pot stirring article…
    Cant wait to see the comments…

  • http://twitter.com/A__Dawn Amber

    I, personally, am sick of both Democrats and Republicans.  The Democrats can’t fight on principal, as they claim to do, and the Republicans are using the current tide of popularity to push their ultra-conservative agendas.  This state, as well as the rest of the nation, is divided by polarities–and no sides are able or willing to fix the problem. 

  • Anonymous

    Maine is now a red state as shown in the last election.  To the victory goes the spoils and the democrats are out of luck.  The Tea Party has turned this state around once and for all.

  • StillRelaxin

    Note to voters:

    As in any game or sport, those who don’t follow the rules need to be eliminated from playing. In this case, we need to send these oddballs back into the deep woods of political obscurity. Vote for every Democrat running for office in 2012-2014.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Q4AP5EYCYRCGZGIJGWI6TLIUEA Tom

    Elections have consequences.

  • Anonymous

    God help us!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SCNJPPZDX7GEYELESV2YGQFLN4 Pat T. Riot

    If the Republicans do this now, re-district by majority vote, the Democrats will re-district when they regain the majority which will happen sooner or later, and I’m predicting sooner.  So get ready, Mainers, to be whipsawed back and forth between the 1st and 2nd district. 

  • Anonymous

    What we need to do is vote the whole Darn bunch out of office and start over.

    It is time that “WE” vote for the person (s) that will work for MAINE not some National party !!!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GS6BAZI3THAOUS5ZAAAPXYEKYM Homer

    Lol, the Tea Party will last exactly one election cycle. “Let him die” and booing soldiers shows their true colors.

  • Anonymous

    We pay for the wars, we can boo those with perverse life styles which are anti American.

  • Anonymous

    Note Kevin Raye is strongly supporting his republican party no matter how it affects the majority of the people. Kevin is for Kevin and heck with the majority of all the people. He wants to be a gov. somehow so don’t get in his way or he will do anything to crush you.

  • Anonymous

    Do not vote republican unless you are rich.

  • Anonymous

    You can only redistrict every 10 years

  • Anonymous

    Actually being  who you are makes you a perfect american. 

  • Anonymous

    LOL, a bit sheltered up here in the great white north aren’t ya?

    BTW, this will actually be the second election cycle that the Tea Party folks will have a rather substantial influence on.

    And I would have to agree with Ron Paul and also think that Wolf Blitzer claiming society should let a sick man die is absurd and unacceptable.

  • Anonymous

    LOL, a bit sheltered up here in the great white north aren’t ya?

    BTW, this will actually be the second election cycle that the Tea Party folks will have a rather substantial influence on.

    And I would have to agree with Ron Paul and also think that Wolf Blitzer claiming society should let a sick man die is absurd and unacceptable.

  • Anonymous

    Brings back not so old memories…………”sign the bill so you can read it and see what’s in it”,  and to think they didn’t believe the  conservitives were paying attention.

  • Anonymous

    Brings back not so old memories…………”sign the bill so you can read it and see what’s in it”,  and to think they didn’t believe the  conservitives were paying attention.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SCNJPPZDX7GEYELESV2YGQFLN4 Pat T. Riot

    Maybe, but when existing rules are overturned by a simple majority vote, who knows how it will play out.  

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SCNJPPZDX7GEYELESV2YGQFLN4 Pat T. Riot

    Maybe, but when existing rules are overturned by a simple majority vote, who knows how it will play out.  

  • Anonymous

    It’s amusing to hear crybabies whine and wail when the very same tactics they have used to achieve their failed objectives in the past are now turned against them and used to thwart their efforts in the present. 

    How’s a dose of your own medicine taste anyway?

  • Anonymous

    Of course, the Rs will change the rules.  Heck bent on Gerrymandering, that’s the only way they’ll get there way.  Just like second graders on the playground.  Does this say anything about their maturity?  How did we manage to vote in a kiddy-majority Legislature?

  • Anonymous

    The Tea Party has turned this state into … a laughingstock?  Red may soon be dead.

  • Anonymous

    By the way the districts are currently drawn, I don’t think it was Gerrymandered.  Evidently that’s a Republican specialty.  Medicine is one thing, posion is another.

  • Anonymous

    I know right they should just “DEEM” the bill as passed!!!

  • Anonymous

    Did you even look at the maps? Both Maps look pretty gerrymandered to me!!!

  • Anonymous

    “Democrats, however, say the Republican plan worsens the “two Maines” problem by creating one district that is mostly urban and another that is almost entirely rural.”

    Oh yes because places like Letter E township is so urban.

  • Anonymous

    LOL…as I said, amusing!

  • Anonymous

    How, exactly, does making one district “mostly rural” and the other “mostly urban” help fight the “two Maines” phenomenon, as Raye suggests?  That’s a pretty hollow argument…

  • Anonymous

    The Democrats are, at best, simply the lesser of two evils.

  • Anonymous

    Do not vote democrat unless you wanna be poor

  • Anonymous

    19% of americans claim to be attached to the tea party and claim 90% of them voted but less then 40% of americans  vote sound like its not over to me.

  • Anonymous

    As mero818 uses the pick up line” is your daddy a terrorist cause your the bomb ” horrible american lol

  • Anonymous

    you mean the first positive jobs news in northern maine since 1998 hmmm made get take some math classes there gopher and get away from the coloring box

  • Anonymous

    smite

  • Anonymous

    maybe we should just split the state at those lines

  • Anonymous

    i thought they where only numbers

  • Anonymous

    Git er done. The Democrat party would not hesitate for one second.

  • Anonymous

    Redistricting happens once every 10 years~

  • Jazz11

    Republicans = Thieves in the night.

  • Anonymous

    I’m assuming the Republicans either like their chances in court or they get a couple of voting cycles out of this new design before a court – or voters – say Nice Try?

    Must be the “What have we got to lose?” plan… Politicians seem to have the memory span of a gnat.  Think they’ll be in power forever once they win.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SHNOU64ZBOBIKWUF5IM6WSH7WA entitled4life

    Republicans have the majority and can do as they please, just exactly what democrats did for 40 years.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SHNOU64ZBOBIKWUF5IM6WSH7WA entitled4life

    Give me an example MaryBelle.  Isn’t this the same as when John Baldacci and his band of liberal denmocrats drove Dirigo health down our throats?

  • Anonymous

    You maybe right, Letter E could be a plantation. Either way it isn’t an urban hot spot.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SHNOU64ZBOBIKWUF5IM6WSH7WA entitled4life

    Uh lets see, Chellie Pingree, John Kerry, John Baldacci, George Mitchell, Bill Clinton, Barrack Obama – do you want more filthy stinking rotten rich democrats?

  • yowsayowsa1

     I, personally, am sick of liberal rags such as the BDN and PPH producing totally biased news to further their own agenda rather than actually investigating and reporting.

  • yowsayowsa1

     I, personally, am sick of liberal rags such as the BDN and PPH producing totally biased news to further their own agenda rather than actually investigating and reporting.

  • yowsayowsa1

     I, personally, am sick of liberal rags such as the BDN and PPH producing totally biased news to further their own agenda rather than actually investigating and reporting.

  • Anonymous

    So Let me get this straight. Democrats can set aside rules when what they want to get something passed, but if Republicans do its “change the rules in the middle of the game just because you can’t win.”

    Pretty hypocritical Cain. And if you don’t get your way on this  you threaten legislation in the next term.

  • Anonymous

    So Let me get this straight. Democrats can set aside rules when what they want to get something passed, but if Republicans do its “change the rules in the middle of the game just because you can’t win.”

    Pretty hypocritical Cain. And if you don’t get your way on this  you threaten legislation in the next term.

  • Anonymous

    So Let me get this straight. Democrats can set aside rules when what they want to get something passed, but if Republicans do its “change the rules in the middle of the game just because you can’t win.”

    Pretty hypocritical Cain. And if you don’t get your way on this  you threaten legislation in the next term.

  • Anonymous

    It happens all the time anyway except when Democrats continue their decades long gerrymander.

  • Anonymous

    YES!

  • Anonymous

    How does voting in a different district affect people? Can’t they still vote?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000116395974 Kevin Cunning

    Don’t read it?

  • Anonymous

    you must hate yourself then, since you are up with the sun typing away at the BDN website, increasing the value of their web site with each click.

  • Anonymous

    ??  maine sent two dems to DC…  sure, the GOP won the Blaine House (with 31% of the vote).  Maine is what it always was:  fiscally conservative, socially liberal, moderate state.

  • Anonymous

    “Anti American”

    ****

    Pursuit of happiness, equality and justice are American values.  what is anti-American is inequality and injustice.

  • Anonymous

    lol!

  • Anonymous

    did you watch Bruce Almighty?  most hilarious line ‘smite me oh mighty smiter’.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000116395974 Kevin Cunning

    You do understand that your nothing but a Internet bully – right?
    Really – if you believe in what you stand for – your not helping yourself.
    That is the problem with tea trolls – they all act like a bunch of 13 year old school yard bullies terrorizing every kid wearing walmart specials instead of nikes.
    Somehow this makes them feel empowered, special even, and it makes the other tea trolls giggle.
    Really – just grow up.

  • Anonymous

    that is THE question.  yes, of course they can still vote.  but the politicians are looking at the districts in a different light. 

    let’s see if i can explain, I will use the Southern states as an example.  Let’s say a state is 70% white, 30% black.  ideally, that State’s representation would reflect those numbers, ie 70% if the elected officials would be white, 30% of elected officials would be black.

    But, that kind of (fair) representation would only occur if the minority (in this case black people) had a majority in 30% of the districts.  otherwise, the majority (70% white) would always win.

    So, while the districts are redrawn every 10 years to assure they are in line with the census, much attention is paid to the district lines to prevent (or assure) certain voting blocs.  

    hope that’s helpful.

  • Anonymous

    he’s lying, or better said, he is spinning.

    districts are supposed to be drawn up not only to assure alignment with the Census, but also to assure that rural areas and metropolitan areas are represented fairly.

    for instance, if a state has 50% of its people living in cities, and 50% of its people in the country, then you would expect that the elected representatives would be equally from the city and from the country.  

    But, one could draw the lines so that a district contained an entire city, but only a slice of a rural region.  in that case, the city folks would always out vote the country folks.  and effectively, the country people would not be represented, even tho they are 50% of the population.

    It’s like ‘united we stand, divided we fall’ idea, expect it’s a numbers game and the politicians are playing it to their own favor.

  • Anonymous

    he’s lying, or better said, he is spinning.

    districts are supposed to be drawn up not only to assure alignment with the Census, but also to assure that rural areas and metropolitan areas are represented fairly.

    for instance, if a state has 50% of its people living in cities, and 50% of its people in the country, then you would expect that the elected representatives would be equally from the city and from the country.  

    But, one could draw the lines so that a district contained an entire city, but only a slice of a rural region.  in that case, the city folks would always out vote the country folks.  and effectively, the country people would not be represented, even tho they are 50% of the population.

    It’s like ‘united we stand, divided we fall’ idea, expect it’s a numbers game and the politicians are playing it to their own favor.

  • Anonymous

    “In science it often happens that scientists say, ‘You know
    that’s a really good argument; my position is mistaken,’ and then they would
    actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again.
    They really do it. It doesn’t happen as often as it should, because scientists
    are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot
    recall the last time something like that happened in politics or religion.”

    ― Carl Sagan

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    Actually, the reason the map was drawn by the Maine Supreme Judicial Court in 2003 was because the Legislature could not muster the 2/3 vote required to enact the plan from the Apportionment Commission.

    Of interest is that the plan proposed by Republicans then also would have divided the state east and west, except that one was laid out to move Tom Allen, then the 1st District representative, into the 2nd District.

    See: http://www.dirigoblue.com/diary/3561/

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    In fact, the concept of “one man, one vote” for congressional districts is from Wesberry v. Sanders, a case involving Georgia. In 1961, that state had 10 districts, one of which had twice as many people in it than the other nine. The mostly white legislature had created one large district around Atlanta (mostly black) and the others such that it was very likely a white person would be elected.

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    How is this piece by Russell biased?

  • Anonymous

    thank you for commenting!!

  • Anonymous

    g bush emptied out the treasury. clinton left him with a surplus.

  • Anonymous

    I could give you probably one hundred. But something tells me you would remain unconvinced. Bush and the iraq war…the reaction from the press ..covering his drunkenes in office. Picking on clinton (I’m no fan)..40 million investigating his sex life in office. Roughly 4 million to investigate 9/11. In the investigation..bush called the shots. Clinton was hounded. As above so below. The hound dog was hounded. The prince acted like royalty, even though he was far from it.

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    Indeed, which will make the legislative redistricting of interest in 2013, should the Democrats regain control of the Legislature.

  • Anonymous

    I understand your point but that doesn’t always hold true. For instance as far as I know there are Republican Congressman representing Caucasian districts in the current house.
    That said where is the necessity in Maine? 

  • Anonymous

    Of course that is wrong, the districts need to be the same population. That is defeated on that argument not on a race based argument isn’t it?

  • Anonymous

    If the rules don’t let you do what you want to do, change the rules . . .

  • Anonymous

    IF : “One Republican close to the redistricting discussion said this week that if a House or Senate Republican did not vote for the GOP plan, “they wouldn’t be a Republican for very long.”

    Do you think that people who are like that can put the little people’s interests before the party line ?  
    THEN we still have  the question of the Tea Party, and how come they and Independent Govenah  are saying who is and  isn’t Republican. 
    How can it be that self identified Tea Party folks are not the real RINO’s ? 

    Why can’t the GOP just say “no” to these grumpy old men ? 

  • Anonymous

    We are poor now from the agenda of the last 36 years of the  Maine Democrat Party.  Their economic policy was a disaster it drove out most of our businesses , good paying jobs, drove out most of our young people.  They have replaced it with a Welfare Haven where you have everyone coming in to jump on the Welfare Rolls .  More than half the population is collection some sort of Welfare Program.  You have Greedy Special Interest Groups and Former Politicians (Angus King, Dennis Bailey, Ethan Strimling, Glenn Cummings, Kurt Adams, John & Karen Baldacci) all profiting  off some sort of taxpayer subsidies, government program or other handout.  If that isn’t a call for change from the Democrat Party status quo.  Then it will be just more of the same and the loser will be the average working Mainer and taxpayer.

  • Anonymous

    ” I could give you probably one hundred”.  Well I can give you just about the same about Democrats Nationally and here in Maine.  On the National level Obama has failed on everything .  His stimulus plan failed ,  Stimulus 2 is more of the same,  Car Bailouts , Wall Street Bailouts, Subsidies on Ethanol and Increasing the Ethanol in our gasoline to 15%, Obamacare,  keeps changing on how low of an income he is going to tax people on anywhere from $100,000 to $1,000,000.  The unemployment rate has been 9% or higher the 3 years he has been in office, he needs to go.  On the state level the Dems have been a miserable failure.   Everything from Dirigo, the 25 million dollar investment scam.  The 50+ million on the DHHS computer system.  More than 1/2 the population on some sort of Welfare program.  Our schools  are failing.   The Democrats passing 2 tax increase bills  in the middle of the night without being read by anyone with only Dem support.   The Tax Reform Bill which would have created 100+ new taxes while raising all of the current taxes.  The Dirigo/Soda tax  both bills were repealed by voters the same year they were passed.  The Dems are not the answer they are the problem they are only looking to buy a voting block to get elected.

  • Anonymous

    History has a wonderful way of repeating itself…

  • Anonymous

    Them damn Right Wingers…

  • Anonymous

    Totally agree, dont forget they also bully too…LOL..

  • Anonymous

    The fact that the economy crashed under George W. Bush is entirely off your radar.  It speaks to your bias.

  • Anonymous

    here is something to think about we keep pointing out the faults of our politcal parties but we never take any of the blame ourselves.  I feel the problem lies at the polls we do not go to vote.  There are 6000 registered voters in my commuity but approximately 1/3 vote so that leaves about 4000 that do not vote.  Do the math it is our own fault that a lot of what is going on in politics today.  We as citizens need to get involved and get to the polls.  Yet we sit and cast fault sometimes in the wrong direction.  That is how i see it today.  :)

  • Anonymous

    here is something to think about we keep pointing out the faults of our politcal parties but we never take any of the blame ourselves.  I feel the problem lies at the polls we do not go to vote.  There are 6000 registered voters in my commuity but approximately 1/3 vote so that leaves about 4000 that do not vote.  Do the math it is our own fault that a lot of what is going on in politics today.  We as citizens need to get involved and get to the polls.  Yet we sit and cast fault sometimes in the wrong direction.  That is how i see it today.  :)

  • Anonymous

    here is something to think about we keep pointing out the faults of our politcal parties but we never take any of the blame ourselves.  I feel the problem lies at the polls we do not go to vote.  There are 6000 registered voters in my commuity but approximately 1/3 vote so that leaves about 4000 that do not vote.  Do the math it is our own fault that a lot of what is going on in politics today.  We as citizens need to get involved and get to the polls.  Yet we sit and cast fault sometimes in the wrong direction.  That is how i see it today.  :)

  • Anonymous

    The point is, Republicans won’t tax the rich.  They absolutely stubbornly refuse–and yet the rich have been getting richer much faster than the rest of us have been gaining ground.  Of course at this point, many people are sinking–except the rich.  Did I mention that they are much richer than they used to be?

  • Anonymous

    The point is, Republicans won’t tax the rich.  They absolutely stubbornly refuse–and yet the rich have been getting richer much faster than the rest of us have been gaining ground.  Of course at this point, many people are sinking–except the rich.  Did I mention that they are much richer than they used to be?

  • Anonymous
  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7T3YNF6MG3FPEAVTFIJC44VQUI Dlbrt

    Can’t win?

    Hide the Buses,

    Still can’t win?

    Suppress the voters,

    Still can’t win?

    Redistrict,

    Still can’t win,

    Change the redistricting law,

  • Anonymous

    George W. Bush bailed out Wall Street, too.  Does that bother you?

    I agree that Obama is a puppet of Wall Street–but so is the GOP, and they are even worse, because they refuse to tax ultra-rich greedy billionaires, who now own as much wealth as 50% of all Americans.

    It upsets you that half the population is on some kind of welfare, but in Canada, everyone is on welfare, and they are doing just fine.   In other words, we have proof that welfare is not necessarily bad.

    At least the Dems, though flawed, try to attack the ultra-rich corruption that has infected this country.  The Republicans spread hate for the poor while serving immoral corporations and plutocrats.

  • Anonymous

    It is the system. No one person is going to change that. Until we give up on that idea, and see that change starts at the local level , even more importantly with ourselves…we will continue the cycle. 

    What do you think of the fact that there is an occupation of wall street and our main stream media is ignoring it? Protesters are being beaten up  and  journalists jailed just like in the middle east ? We are invading country after country to give them freedom and our system is exactly the same as countries which have dictators and repressive govt.?

  • Anonymous

    It is the system. No one person is going to change that. Until we give up on that idea, and see that change starts at the local level , even more importantly with ourselves…we will continue the cycle. 

    What do you think of the fact that there is an occupation of wall street and our main stream media is ignoring it? Protesters are being beaten up  and  journalists jailed just like in the middle east ? We are invading country after country to give them freedom and our system is exactly the same as countries which have dictators and repressive govt.?

  • Anonymous

    It is the system. No one person is going to change that. Until we give up on that idea, and see that change starts at the local level , even more importantly with ourselves…we will continue the cycle. 

    What do you think of the fact that there is an occupation of wall street and our main stream media is ignoring it? Protesters are being beaten up  and  journalists jailed just like in the middle east ? We are invading country after country to give them freedom and our system is exactly the same as countries which have dictators and repressive govt.?

  • Anonymous

    The main problem with Dirigo is not enough people benefitted from it.  Due to hindrances by the Rs as I recall.  Critics fail to acknowledge the number of people and companies it did benefit.

  • Anonymous

    The main problem with Dirigo is not enough people benefitted from it.  Due to hindrances by the Rs as I recall.  Critics fail to acknowledge the number of people and companies it did benefit.

  • Anonymous

    The main problem with Dirigo is not enough people benefitted from it.  Due to hindrances by the Rs as I recall.  Critics fail to acknowledge the number of people and companies it did benefit.

  • Anonymous

    Or are post like his/hers decreasing the value of the BDN?

  • Anonymous

    Or are post like his/hers decreasing the value of the BDN?

  • Anonymous

    Or are post like his/hers decreasing the value of the BDN?

  • Anonymous

    Speaking of agendas.  And how does reporting what a public figure said consitute “total bias”?  Speaking of bias …

  • Anonymous

    Speaking of agendas.  And how does reporting what a public figure said consitute “total bias”?  Speaking of bias …

  • Anonymous

    Speaking of agendas.  And how does reporting what a public figure said consitute “total bias”?  Speaking of bias …

  • Anonymous

    Eloquent words. 

    Took a while, but WE found out the TARP funds that bush allowed to go to the banks were spent on foreign as well as domestic banks. They were rewarded for essentially making bad gambling decisions, while US citizens who were footing the bill were getting kicked out of their homes because of crooked banking practices.People are waking up all over the world to the way our governments are treating US like slaves to do their bidding. Occupy Wall Street is spreading to cities all over the US. The debacle of Wisconsin surely is giving our tea party governors pause. Now Gov. Scott Walker’s staff is being investigated by the FBI, close staff given immunity for testimony. Something to think about as the Tea Party governors try to govern with gestapo tactics.

  • Anonymous

    Huh?

  • Anonymous

    Wisconsin tried to forget long standing rules and traditions too. 

    Now they are paying a dear price by their so called elected leaders are being investigated by the FBI. Their recent election was a sham. Wait until that information is made public. Truth is coming out every day.

  • Anonymous

    Me too.

  • Anonymous

    If a democrat has a good track record and wants to work for the people , then I will vote.

    Obama had a wonderful track record and said the right things, but look what happened.

    I plan on reading Confidence Men by Ron Suskind. He tells how the clinton and wall street people overrode Obama’s orders. 

    It’s the system.

  • Anonymous

    Let’s stop allowing ourselves to be polarized. Until WE see our commonalities, WE will stay divided.

  • Anonymous

    Your community is apparently not typical of Maine since we had the 2nd highest percantage voter turnout in the last Presidential election.  Something you (and others) can do about it?

  • Anonymous

    It is turned around alright, heading south into a swamp. Open for business. Private prisons, wind farms on every mountain and chain stores in every town over 2,000.

  • Anonymous

    It’s quite apparent that the Tea Party (and other Rs) want to lapse into a parlimentary sytem of government where rigid party rules rule.  How democratically American of them!

  • Anonymous

    Nice to learn from comments.

  • Anonymous

    When the new insurance laws go into effect, wouldn’t be surprised if upper state ME will leave their conservative values and choose survival. Should be interesting to watch.

  • Anonymous

    Rural tends to be more conservative and urban more liberal.

  • Anonymous

    Read blackboxvoting, markcrispinmiller and bradblog to see the many different ways our elections have been stolen anyway for decades. 1 AM is the time for a massive number of votes to come in changing the election, surprising upset for the republicans in 49 to 51 close vote.

  • Anonymous

    Or ignore them ..ie banks and wall street.

  • Anonymous

    It doesn’t matter whether it’s making harder to vote, hurting unions and their funding or radical redistricting, the GOP is on a nationwide scam to rig elections in their favor. So much for representative government. The Gop is a despicable group. Sign onto the SAVE AMERICA pledge if you want to help America’s woes: I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR A REPUBLICAN EVER AGAIN.

  • Anonymous

    MISLEAD AND LIE…REPUBLICANS DO IT EVERY SINGLE DAY. Obama’s stimulus was successful in saving 1.9 MILLION jobs. It would have worked even better but the GOP required a large hunk of the stimulus to be tax cuts instead of infrastructure projects. Obama has never said he’d increase taxes on people making under $200,000. The unemployment rate and all of the other economic problems were dropped in Obama’s lap as Bush’s goodbye gift and after GOP record number fillibusters and now control of the House, the GOP won’t help to try to solve any of our problems because they are only concerned about regaining the white house. They’d rather see the economy tank even more than to lift a finger. Why would we go back to the GOP disaster creators? At least Obama’s trying which is more than be said about the despicable GOP.

  • Anonymous

    Really funny listening to John Martin using big words he doesn’t understand, like “bipartisan.”  And only when Rs concede is considered compromise?
    That said:  be the grown ups and make it work.  This is leadership, Rs…show some.

  • Anonymous

    The Maine economy was in a tailspin even before the crash.

  • OldWench

    The Republicans would be stupid to break the rules to do this.  They are trying to disenfranchise young voters because young people typically lean left.  They are trying to redistrict in order to get more tea party representatives in Washington.  The majority of Maine voters do NOT share the beliefs of these Tea Party hacks.  This should be a very clear lesson to the residents of Maine…do NOT vote for radicals because if they get a little bit of power they will stop at nothing to try to cheat their way into retaining it even when the majority opposes them.

  • clamcove

    Kind of a dumb comment. Have you ever heard of the progressive tax rates? Who do you think hits the top? And per the Wall Street Journal if you took all the money earned as tax from the those making more than $1.0 mill. it would make just a little dent in Obummers deficit.

  • Anonymous

    When will both parties stop voting along polityical lines for their own agendas & start voting for what’s best for the citizens?  This applies to all levels of government, Federal, Stae & Local.  They are all like a bunch of little children that don’t know how to play together.

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    The GOP plan would move more than 13,000 registered voters from the 1st District to the 2nd District. Of those, more than 10,000 are registered Republicans.

    In 2002, Raye lost to Mike Michaud for the open seat by about 8,000 votes.

  • OldWench

    Redistricting done illegally can easily be tossed out and done over.  Of course, if Republicans do this I’m sure it will end up going to another People’s veto.

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    If I understand you correctly, the Wesberry ruling never mentions the race or ethnicity of those in the districts. The SCOTUS has subsequently ruled that creating districts to favor an ethnic group, political party, etc. are unconstitutional.

  • Anonymous

    Your point is that tax rates are highest on the richest.  My point is that the richest have been accumulating wealth at an ever increasing rate.  They are hugely more rich compared to the rest of us than they used to be.  A trend that has been going on for decades:
    ———————–

    between 1979 and 2005
    the inflation-adjusted income of families in the middle of the income
    distribution rose 21 percent. 
    Meanwhile, over the same period, the income of the very rich, the top 100th of 1 percent of the income distribution, rose by 480 percent. No, that isn’t a misprint. In 2005 dollars, the average annual income of that group rose from $4.2 million to $24.3 million.
    ———————–

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/23/opinion/krugman-the-social-contract.html

  • Anonymous

    The only “tailspin” I saw occurred during W’s reign as President, including the start of two foolishly managed wars, and of course the Great Crash. 

    If there was a “tailspin” before that, I have a feeling the reasons are much more complex than simply Democrats being in charge.  For instance, the demand for paper has been decreasing due to increased internet and electronic communication.

  • OldWench

    Unfortunately, that’s not going to happen because those on the far left are stubborn and hold a grudge and those on the far right are gullible and intentionally obnoxious.  Until the left learns to forgive and respect the views of others and the right learns to stop believing everything Rush Limbaugh tells them and behaving like troglodytes there will be no middle ground between the two.

  • OldWench

    You are clearly deluded.  The ONLY reason any Tea Party candidate won was because moderates decided to give them a chance.  A candidate NEEDS the Indepenednts and moderates to win.  We have NO LOYALTY to one party.  There is  no way in Hades that the swing voters are going to carry the tea bag in any more elections.  They’ve realized the tea is toxic.  Color the tea party insignificant….they won’t be winning anything else except for a one way bus ticket back to rocks they crawled out from under.

    Signed,  
    Moderate/Independent/Swing Voter

  • OldWench

    Anyone who boos a soldier is an unpatriotic piece of feces who needs to GTFO of this country.

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    Readers might find this of interest from ProPublica:

    The Hidden Hands in Redistricting: Corporations and Other Powerful Interests

    http://bit.ly/q8tZNm

  • Anonymous

    i agree, it’s not a huge issue for us here.  so what is fuss the about? 

    just read any comment section in the BDN and you will find that there is an us v. them attitude regarding Southern Mainers and Northern Mainers.  What folks are complaining about is that urban voters tend to vote more liberally than their rural peers.

    kevin raye is referring to it as ‘two Maines’.  a bit extreme, but everyone is looking for an advantage….any advantage.

  • Anonymous

     GW actually added to the conversation.  online.  imagine that!  lol

  • Anonymous

    At least you understand that.

  • Anonymous

    Sure it did that is why the unemployment rate is 9.1% and the amount of people filing for unemployement every week is going up.  Obama is a failure and is now using class warfare because he knows he is in trouble. He has to buy votes someway like the Liberals do.  His approval rating is only 36% in the latest poll.  Every poll now has him losing to a Republican (Romney, Perry, Bachman and even Palin) if they were the nominee.  Obama and Biden both have floated figures as low as $100,000 to as high as $1,000,000 dollars on who to raise taxes on.  Obama isn’t doing anything his socialist agenda has more than double our debt, created 9%+ unemployment , its lowered our credit rating, has put 50,000,000 people on Welfare and now wants to raise taxes on people.   Just like Augusta when we kicked the Liberals out last November, its time to put Obama, Biden , his cabinet and the rest of the Liberals on the unemployment line where they belong.

  • Anonymous

    Want to be richer?
    Work more.

  • Anonymous

    Why is it the R’s are the blame for Dirigo.  The Baldacci administration , Trish Riley, Brenda Harvey and the rest of the Liberals were the ones who created this failed program.  They never met one projected target the program was supposed to meet.  Then they tried to increase taxes on the working poor to continue to subsidize this failed program.  It should have ended before Lepage took office.  Just like Obamacare will fail its nothing more than what Dirigo was here in Maine.  It will just become another taxpayer funded boondoggle that will increase the debt.

  • Anonymous

    Want to be decent?

    Care more.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t care how they split it up as long as they don’t group us with the yuppies in district #1. There is going to be some people in the SW upset if they stick them with the out of staters down there.  

  • Anonymous

    Actually the democrats have drawn a perfect line where we should cut that section off and send it gift wrapped to MA.

  • Anonymous

    What a bunch of lies. You really need to stop listening to Fox so-called news. The unemployment rate is the DIRECT result of the BUSH recession which we haven’t recovered from partly because the sleazy GOP won’t stop blocking or watering down every piece of legislation put forth. He is not behind all of those Republicans in the polls. You are wrong about the tax of $100,000, the minimum he proposes a tax hike is $200,000. The debt increase is the DIRECT result of Bush’s two wars, his unpaid for prescription drug plan and his two tax cuts along with mismanaging the economy into the dumper just in time to hand it off to the new President so that fools like you can try to blame it on the new guy. You can forget or put your blinders on but if it weren’t for people like you who foolishly elected an incomp like Bush, we wouldn’t be in the fix we are right now and Obama wouldn’t have had to dig us out of the hole dug by the GOP. How about you GOP cult followers take responsibility and start apologizing to the rest of us for your foolish votes that led to this mess instead of blaming someone else.

  • Anonymous

    what pecentage of the rich’s earnings   do you feel entitled  to.

  • Anonymous

    What percentage of the misery of this once-great country are the ultra-rich responsible for?

    Hint:  the rich love China more than America, because China makes them money.

  • Anonymous

    so by caring you mean stop hiring and donating to charities just send the money into the government.They have shown what a wonderful job they do with money.

  • Anonymous

    you really believe the clinton admin had nothing to do with 9/11 and the economic  crash.please remember who started th ehousing mess .I do believe Mr bush was in office about six  months before the attacks.Who is bias

  • Anonymous

    i guess the dirigo vote was fine by you right.That was the wonderful democrats then.

  • Anonymous

    what percentage do you feel they should pay! The great pretender has a jobs advisor pumping jobs to china is Mr immelt included.What about Mr buffet saving the latest bank making a billion in minutes yet he did not donate that to the cause. I should be asking you what percentage do you believe just the republican rich should pay.You do realize the rich can send in any amount ofmoney they want.

  • Anonymous

    so Mr bush inherited a recession and an attack from clinton also by your logic.

  • Anonymous

    I tried to get into dirigo it was to expensiveto get in.It was just another failure of thirty years of entitlments.Government should not be in the insurance business.

  • Anonymous

    should clinton apologze for the housing mess and the atacks his admin caused?

  • Anonymous

    just like the thirty years of dems. the republicans know the view is bad from the back of the bus,get use to it the dems are going to be there awhile.

  • Anonymous

    the dems and unions only play is to hold everything up in legal investigations they are real good at keeping lawyers employed

  • Anonymous

    By caring I mean caring.  Canadians pay more taxes, everyone can go see a doctor.  Same in every other democratic civilized country in the world–only in the USA do people die, including children, because they can’t afford that hospital right up the street.

    Houses get mortgaged too.  I know a small business man who worked hard all his life and lost everything he had — to pay for a doctor.

  • Anonymous

    Cannot get near any swamps the dems have laws against heading into swamps.

  • Anonymous

    Dems are corrupted too.  I never said they weren’t.  Are you willing to say that about Reps?

    They both are part of the problem.  Do I think Republicans are worse?  Yes, I do.  But that’s another debate.

    The primary enemy is corruption and greed.

  • Anonymous

    Don’t put words in my mouth. Sure, I blame Clinton some.  Do you blame Bush at all?

    I pointed out that Bush started and badly bungled two wars. Do you dispute that?

  • Anonymous

    I do believe only dems vote at night.dirigo anyone.

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    i say govern as the dems would to change this mess of an entitled state.Force, push whatever it takes to get republican programs passed to help maine people.VOTE LIKE A DEM EARLY AND OFTEN.

  • Anonymous

    Since he doesn’t agree with everything published in it, it must be biased. 

  • Anonymous

    LOL.  The warranty expired and Mass won’t let us return it now.  Not even for store credit.  Maybe we can get something for it from a junkyard?

  • Anonymous

    Thank you.  Very informative. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SCNJPPZDX7GEYELESV2YGQFLN4 Pat T. Riot

    Return to pre-Bush tax rates in the upper bracket, 35% back to 39.6%.  It won’t cover the deficit, but it will help.  The rich won’t suddenly be starving.   It was considered fair, at least until the Bush administration took office.  Even more important, if the Republicans didn’t fight against it tooth and nail, it would show leadership from those who benefit most from America in coming to America’s aid. 

    Here are some of the lyrics from American Anthem, a song used in the documentary The War about World War II: “Let them say of me, I was one who believed in sharing the blessings I received.  Let me know in my heart, when my days are through, America, America, I gave my best to you.”

  • StillRelaxin

    At some point those (Conservatives) who support that which they freely admit is wrong (Ignoring the rules of governing) will be overcome by the more intellectual moderates of their own party. I think we saw the results of that today in Florida with Herman Cain completely smoking the front running GOP/Tea Party candidates in a straw pole. Next step, have a real election and add the opinions of liberal voters then “WALLA” the GOP/Tea Party will vanish in a puff of smoke which was of their own devious and selfish making. If they weren’t so nasty here, there, and everywhere, I’d almost feel sorry for them.

  • StillRelaxin

    At some point those (Conservatives) who support that which they freely admit is wrong (Ignoring the rules of governing) will be overcome by the more intellectual moderates of their own party. I think we saw the results of that today in Florida with Herman Cain completely smoking the front running GOP/Tea Party candidates in a straw pole. Next step, have a real election and add the opinions of liberal voters then “WALLA” the GOP/Tea Party will vanish in a puff of smoke which was of their own devious and selfish making. If they weren’t so nasty here, there, and everywhere, I’d almost feel sorry for them.

  • Anonymous

    Wrong even Obama and Biden have gone on record of taxing people at $100,000.  Remember when Biden said paying increased taxes is patriotic does that ring a bell.

  • Anonymous

    If your ideas are foolish and you can’t get the vote, then just change the rules??

  • Anonymous

    He had to make changes because Republicans took over congress.  He was doing the same thing Obama is doing now the left wing agenda,  but Obama is doing it at a more extreme level.  The problems started when Clinton tried to expand buying houses to people who can’t afford it to begin with.  He also with the help of  Republicans Phil Gramm created policies for the stock market we have today.  Signed NAFTA and alot of awful free trade agreements.  It’s all Bush’s fault but if you go back and look things over Clinton’s and his cabinets “paws”  have created alot of the mess we are in today.  Only thing he did right is sign welfare reform which the Liberals in Maine refused to implement which Lepage is doing now.

  • Anonymous

    Why because those who are on Welfare,  Liberal  Special Interest Groups and Greedy Former Politicans (Angus King, Baldacci Family, Dennis Bailey, Kurt Adams, Ethan Strimling, Glenn Cummings) can continue to reap the benefits of them being in power.  It’s time to end the culture of handouts, corruption and dependency on Augusta.

  • Anonymous

    The problem I had with Obama , is what I had with King , Baldacci and Brennan here in Maine what did they do that is so great they had no record to run on.  Baldacci and Brennan both while in congress were considered the worst in congress.  Baldacci 8th worst at one point  , Brennan was awful as well.  All 3 were awful  Maine Governors.   All 3 did nothing but raise taxes, increase spending, increase welfare programs, borrow money like its growing on trees.  It’s the same with Pingree-Sussman and Mumbles Michaud both career politicians serving a long time in Augusta &  Washington , Pingree-Sussman a long time lobbyist in Washington as well with Common Cause.   Rochelle ” Chellie” Pingree-Sussman is also a  hypocrite she claims to fight against those awful wealthy people in lear jets.  But her husband is a Billionaire Wall Street Hedgefund Manager who was corrupt on wall street and took  a massive bailout himself.    They both need to go if the voters are smart.

  • Anonymous

    Wrong! Prove it if you’re so sure. Bottom line you guys lie like a rug and the President’s plan proposes NO increase in taxes for people making $200, 000 or less.

  • Anonymous

    That’s right and the GOP has stacked the deck in their favor on that too because just EARLIER THIS YEAR our GOP controlled legislature passed a Constitutional Amendment requiring future redistricting to be by 2/3 majority so now we will have to vote against the Amendment this November if the GOP pulls off this STUNT. 

  • Anonymous

    It sure doesn’t change the fact that the “seize the moment” recent scams to rig elections in their favor by the GOP nationwide is UNDEMOCRATIC, UNPATRIOTIC,AND SLEAZY.

  • Anonymous

    ONLY if the GOP is successful in all their election fixing scams. 

  • Anonymous

    So what i get out of this is you have no life this is your only life so you take everything on here personally and you try to defuse any person you come across the will go against what you believe is good. By accusing them of being this or that labeling and differing your self from the group and making your self seem like a victum. Nike’s what is this the early 90′s and apparently singletrackgirl is a tea troll well thats a way to make friends dont like dont care 

  • Anonymous

    freedom of speech ?????

  • Anonymous

    nice catch

  • Anonymous

    clinton also let secrurity fall so bad only a few months into bush’s first year we got attack by some planes

  • Anonymous

    internet bubble more money for every one burst less money for every one

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7T3YNF6MG3FPEAVTFIJC44VQUI Dlbrt

    Kind of like the the registrar who keeps showing up with Republican Votes that she forgot in the trunk of her car at the last minute in Wisconsin!

  • Anonymous

    Have you ever heard of Richard Clarke? He was security czar under clinton, the bushes and raegan ..democrats and republicans. His book told how clinton was very much on top of terrorism. He describes in the entire book how he tried to get bush and cheney to pay attention to the threats. But they ignored him. You won’t find this kind of information in our main stream media. As an example, main stream media is just starting to cover occupy wall street..a demonstration that is huge and growing in NYC. Over 7,000 protesters in NYC yesterday. Not nearly as much coverage as 20 tea partiers out in the mid west.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7T3YNF6MG3FPEAVTFIJC44VQUI Dlbrt

    Thats all we need is a little to cover the Obama deficit!

    It would take a whole lot more to fix the head on collision of his predescessor.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=674760612 Kevin McCarthy

    The system is broken, no matter what district setup they settle on, if it means politicians can manipulate how they get votes. We’re beyond the internet age, now. Why do we have to resort to antiquated methods of organization?

  • Anonymous

    :)

  • http://twitter.com/ksa4liberty Susan Westfall

    “Democrats, however, say the Republican plan worsens the “two Maines”
    problem by creating one district that is mostly urban and another that
    is almost entirely rural.”

    Sounds to me like the republican plan would actually give the rural areas of Maine an equal opportunity to voice their opinion AND vote them as well. Sounds fair…am I missing something?

  • Anonymous

    You’re not missing anything. It’s just that the far left drum-beaters won’t engage in reasonable conversations.  It would detract from their “conservatives are evil” and “eat the rich” meme.

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