Maine’s high-hazard dams lack inspection

Downtown Camden lies downstream of two high-hazard dams on the Megunticook River.
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Downtown Camden lies downstream of two high-hazard dams on the Megunticook River.
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Megunticook East dam in Camden, a high-hazard dam, was originally constructed more than 100 years ago. It lies upstream of downtown Camden and a residential neighborhood.
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Megunticook East dam in Camden, a high-hazard dam, was originally constructed more than 100 years ago. It lies upstream of downtown Camden and a residential neighborhood.

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Hazardous dams and their dates of last inspection.

Maine is not living up to the state law that requires regular inspections of the nearly 100 dams in the state classified as hazardous for their potential to take lives or sweep away buildings, roads and bridges.

The state has 93 such dams from Limestone to Sanford. Of those, the state classifies 24 as “high hazard potential,” meaning that mis-operation or failure could “probably cause loss of life.” The other dams are “significant hazard dams,” meaning a failure could cause property or environmental damage.

Half of the high-hazard dams are two to seven years overdue for their mandated inspection by a professional engineer, according to records provided to the Maine Center for Public Interest Reporting by the Maine Emergency Management Agency.

And the state has no record of any state inspection for another 25 percent of the high-hazard dams, either because they have not been inspected or because of poor record keeping.

MEMA could produce reports showing on-time inspections for only three high-hazard dams.

For example, there is no record of an inspection of the dam that holds back Norway Lake, a five-mile-long lake.

An Oxford County emergency management official noted the dam is at the top of the town’s picturesque Main Street. “If that dam let go,” said Crystal Ayotte, “Main Street would be in a world of hurt.”

Although there is no report saying the Norway dam is in poor condition, there is also no

state report stating it is in good condition, which is the case for 40 potentially hazardous dams across the state.

The records were requested by the Maine center to determine if the state is abiding by the 2001 Dam Safety Law that requires regular dam inspections every two years for the high-hazard dams and every four years for the significant-hazard dams.

The pattern for the 69 significant-hazard dams was similar to the high-hazard dams: 30 dams were an average of four years overdue for inspections and the state could not provide inspection reports for another 33.

The center’s findings confirmed the fears of the legislature’s leading advocate for dam safety, Sen. Stanley Gerzofsky, D-Brunswick.

“Some day something’s going to happen,” he said, “and people’s eyes are going to open up.”

One inspector

For most of the 20-year history of the state’s dam safety program, it has had only one engineer inspecting the state dams, from the 93 high- and significant-hazard dams to another 700 low-hazard dams.

That inspector is Tony Fletcher, a civil engineer, who until recently has been the sole inspector for all the state’s dams. He now has a second inspector working with him, a recent engineering graduate who Fletcher said is learning on the job.

Even so, he said, “You need about six inspectors to do the job.”

Asked how many of the state-regulated dams are past due for an inspection, he said, ‘Most of them … It just can’t be done.”

His boss until recently was Mark Belserene, director of operations at MEMA.

The dam inspection program, Belserene said, “historically has been understaffed and, I want to say, over-dammed … Given the cards we’re dealt, we’re managing it as best we could.”

The director of MEMA, Robert McAleer, said, “Do the math on the whole number of dams that have to inspected and there is only one dam inspector until very, very recently. It’s very difficult to keep up.”

Most of the state-regulated dams are owned by private parties or local government. Maine’s hydroelectric dams are inspected by the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, not the state.

Are the dams safe?

The current structural condition of nearly 90 percent of both types of potentially hazardous dams cannot be determined from the state’s publicly-available records because either no record was made available or the records are out of date.

Pittsfield-based Kleinschmidt engineering consultants warned in a 2008 report by Christopher M. Vella, a structural engineer, that most of these dams are more than 50 years old and nearing the end of their design life.

“These dams,” the report stated, “all show signs of weathering and movement to various degrees” and their “continual deterioration should be cause for concern.”

That is borne out by older inspection reports that show that some of the dams without current inspection reports were and may still be in need of repair.

For example, the Mill Street (aka Alpaca) dam in Sanford was last inspected by the state in 2003, when the inspector noted, “Of concern was the movement, settlement and material deterioration of the [left] toe … concrete dike wall. The spillway showed signs of concrete deterioration, minor cracking and some leakage. The sluice gate was not tested nor was the outlet pipe inspected. No deterioration of recent repairs were noted.”

That high-hazard dam is six years overdue for a state inspection.

Durepo Brook in Limestone was last inspected, the record shows, in 2002, but even that inspection included no tests and no subsurface or internal inspections, only a visual inspection.

“Soil erosion, rutting and slipping of embankment” were noted and these and what the inspector called “unknown” conditions led him to state, “Leakage in the outlet pipe into the dam embankment, especially in the pressure section, will result in the breach of the dam.”

Under extreme storm conditions, the report said, a breach would endanger 105 people downstream, 47 buildings and five bridges.

The Durepo dam is five years overdue for state inspection.

Fletcher, the state inspector, said, “There are no dams I can say are in imminent state of failure, but it’s a very hard call to make … there are dams in Maine that go back to the 1700s. Piles of stone that just stand there.”

McAleer, the MEMA director, said it’s “incumbent” on the agency to inspect the dams because “you can’t assume that a dam that was built 100 years ago is in as solid condition as it was 100 years ago.”

The power of water

An example of what can happen when a state-regulated dam fails occurred after heavy rains in December 1996, when the 81-year-old Highland Lake dam in Westbrook breached.

A Portland Press Herald story reported that water gushed over Duck Pond Road bridge, gouging 10-foot chunks from the land abutting the street and forcing the evacuation of one nearby home.

The homeowner, Harold Macomber, 67 at the time, told the paper, “People underestimate the power of water. Look at what it’s done to the underside of this bridge in just a few hours.”

The Maine center asked for the most recent inspection report for the Highland Lake dam, as did the Army Corps of Engineers for its National Inventory of Dams. The state did not provide either group with a report, meaning the dam has not been inspected in some time or the state’s records don’t show one. The Army Corps of Engineers reports that a new dam was constructed 11 years ago.

The center’s examination of state records is the first documentation of the extent of the problems with the state’s inspection program, but it is not the first time the problem has been raised.

For example, an Association of State Dam Safety Officials study showed than in 2008, Maine’s compliance with a model inspection program was 16.7 percent, compared to the national average of 73 percent.

MEMA has been in charge of the state’s dam safety program since 1989. Before then, inspections and safety enforcement were under the jurisdiction of the state Department of Environmental Protection, which still has the environmental responsibility.

Dana Murch, dams supervisor at DEP, said his agency gave up the inspection side without a fight because MEMA “wanted it in the worst way.”

“The program has been dysfunctional since it went over there,” he said.

“MEMA is well-intentioned but doesn’t know how to function as a regulatory agency” and prefers to “play nice” with dam owners rather than press for repairs, Murch said.

McAleer said MEMA will take a dam owner to court, but rarely has, because it recognizes that most private dam owners don’t have much money and a court case would eat up what money the owner may have rather than use that money towards a repair.

‘Do the best’ they can

“Yes, I wish we had more inspectors,” McAleer said. “No, I don’t have a plan to get more inspectors. I think the fiscal realities are we have to do the best with what we have.”

For example, he said, sometimes a cursory review of a dam will be all MEMA can do and if no obvious problem is found, “we can go on to where we know we have a problem and focus our energies there.”

But McAleer also acknowledged not all problems can be detected with a visual inspection.

He cited a common problem of leaks developing within a dam from rotting tree roots left when trees are cut down near a dam. He said he wished dam owners would be more alert to that problem.

Asked if there were any dams that worried him, he cited two in Aroostook County, Bryant Pond and Libby Brook, both in Fort Fairfield.

“We’re scheduled to go and take a closer look because if they failed, we’d have significant impact. Not that we think they’re in bad shape. It’s in one of those areas we want to make sure they’re in good shape.”

Libby Brook is a high-hazard dam that is overdue by four years for inspection. It is less than two miles from downtown Fort Fairfield.

The state could not produce an inspection report for Bryant Pond.

Someone will have to die

One of the nation’s leading experts on dam safety is Peter Nicholson, professor of civil engineering at the University of Hawaii and a summer resident of Harpswell.

He called the dam safety programs in many states “pitiful,” but said an equally big problem is the public’s belief that because a dam “has been there a long time, it must be a good dam.”

“If a dam breaks, especially a high-hazard dam,” Nicholson said, “there’s a high likelihood lives will be lost.”

That’s what happened in his state just four years ago, when the Ka Loko dam on Kauai burst after heavy rains.

A wall of water 60 feet wide and 20-70 feet high killed seven people and destroyed several homes.

An investigation attributed the dam failure to a number of factors, including inadequate inspections and not enough dam inspectors to cover all the state’s older dams.

At the time, Hawaii had 1.5 inspectors; after the breach, it got three more.

“Unfortunately,” said Nicholson, “it takes a catastrophic failure to get attention — someone has to die.”

That comment echoed one made by Belserene, the former dams supervisor in MEMA.

He recalled the attention given to to the nation’s bridges and overpasses after the collapse of a Mississippi bridge in Minnesota in 2007 that killed 13 people.

“Unfortunately,” Belserene said, “it usually takes a lot of people to be killed before change can happen.”

Naomi Schalit and John Christie are senior reporters at the Maine Center for Public Interest Reporting. The email address is mainecenter@gmail.com. The website is pinetreewatchdog.org. Students in the Bates College Short Term 2011 course, “There’s More to the Story,” contributed to the research for this story: Bo Cramer, Caroline Kim, Caroline O’Sullivan, Mark Lainoff, Nicole Fox, Sabina Frizell, Shachi Phene, Van Sandwick, Wylie Leabo and Jake Starke.

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  • Anonymous

    Bet that will get the tourists off the Camden crosswalks.

  • Anonymous

    I have seen a few dams along the midcoast that look like they’re held together with chewing gum and empty beer cans. I am no structural engineer, but when you’re dealing with dams this old it is just a matter of time before one lets go and someone gets hurt… oh yeah…. there is a hurricane coming.

  • yowsayowsa1

     Maybe we can get some of the high profile Hollywood “experts” to fly out to the wilderness here to advise us on what to do as they did in the case of the Edwards dam in Augusta. 

  • yowsayowsa1

     Maybe we can get some of the high profile Hollywood “experts” to fly out to the wilderness here to advise us on what to do as they did in the case of the Edwards dam in Augusta. 

  • Anonymous

    Sounds like Dana Murch from DEP is a little upset he lost some of his supreme powers to MEMA.  I remember a story where DEP wouldn’t allow a dam repair because of duck breeding season-I hate to think his sour grapes would keep the public from being safe.

  • Anonymous

    I’ve lived through a couple of floods, luckily, and it’s not an experience I want to repeat.  It’s a crying shame that people have to die before the enforcement agencies act. 

  • Anonymous

    I’ve lived through a couple of floods, luckily, and it’s not an experience I want to repeat.  It’s a crying shame that people have to die before the enforcement agencies act. 

  • Anonymous

    I’ve lived through a couple of floods, luckily, and it’s not an experience I want to repeat.  It’s a crying shame that people have to die before the enforcement agencies act. 

  • Anonymous

    I’ve lived through a couple of floods, luckily, and it’s not an experience I want to repeat.  It’s a crying shame that people have to die before the enforcement agencies act. 

  • Anonymous

    I’ve lived through a couple of floods, luckily, and it’s not an experience I want to repeat.  It’s a crying shame that people have to die before the enforcement agencies act. 

  • Anonymous

    I’ve lived through a couple of floods, luckily, and it’s not an experience I want to repeat.  It’s a crying shame that people have to die before the enforcement agencies act. 

  • Anonymous

    I’ve lived through a couple of floods, luckily, and it’s not an experience I want to repeat.  It’s a crying shame that people have to die before the enforcement agencies act. 

  • Anonymous

    “Maine is not living up to the state law that requires regular
    inspections of the nearly 100 dams in the state classified as hazardous
    for their potential to take lives or sweep away buildings, roads and
    bridges.”

    -Maine isn’t living up to the state law????   Maine?????  Nice try BDN ….THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT LIVING UP TO IT’S OWN LAWS NOT “MAINE”!!! 

    Years without inspections?  Another screaming example to throw on top of the already mountainous pile proving once again government is a complete failure at everything it does.  Again though the same excuses:  not enough money, not enough inspectors, not enough ____________  (place your tired excuse here)…These dams should be sold off immediately to a private owner who in turn will be held accountable for the dams upkeep and will have an incentive to keep these in working order.

    When one of these dams fail who will be held accountable??  NOBODY because government is never held accountable for anything and has no incentive to even care.  Yet the brain dead populace still screams for their protection. 

    Privatize the dams. 

  • Anonymous

    “Maine is not living up to the state law that requires regular
    inspections of the nearly 100 dams in the state classified as hazardous
    for their potential to take lives or sweep away buildings, roads and
    bridges.”

    -Maine isn’t living up to the state law????   Maine?????  Nice try BDN ….THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT LIVING UP TO IT’S OWN LAWS NOT “MAINE”!!! 

    Years without inspections?  Another screaming example to throw on top of the already mountainous pile proving once again government is a complete failure at everything it does.  Again though the same excuses:  not enough money, not enough inspectors, not enough ____________  (place your tired excuse here)…These dams should be sold off immediately to a private owner who in turn will be held accountable for the dams upkeep and will have an incentive to keep these in working order.

    When one of these dams fail who will be held accountable??  NOBODY because government is never held accountable for anything and has no incentive to even care.  Yet the brain dead populace still screams for their protection. 

    Privatize the dams. 

  • Anonymous

    Your approach might make some sense if the majority of the dams in question weren’t already privately owned.

    ‘Most of the state-regulated dams are owned by private parties or local
    government. Maine’s hydroelectric dams are inspected by the Federal
    Energy Regulatory Commission, not the state”… right from the article.

    Many of those that are owned by the state are so because the previous private owners were incapable of keeping up with the costs of maintenance and upgrades because few of these dams do anything more than hold back water, which equals no profit.

    The agency tasked with inspecting these dams is failing because people are unwilling to pay what it costs to keep people safe, even if it costs a few extra tax dollars.

  • Anonymous

    Your approach might make some sense if the majority of the dams in question weren’t already privately owned.

    ‘Most of the state-regulated dams are owned by private parties or local
    government. Maine’s hydroelectric dams are inspected by the Federal
    Energy Regulatory Commission, not the state”… right from the article.

    Many of those that are owned by the state are so because the previous private owners were incapable of keeping up with the costs of maintenance and upgrades because few of these dams do anything more than hold back water, which equals no profit.

    The agency tasked with inspecting these dams is failing because people are unwilling to pay what it costs to keep people safe, even if it costs a few extra tax dollars.

  • Anonymous

    Your approach might make some sense if the majority of the dams in question weren’t already privately owned.

    ‘Most of the state-regulated dams are owned by private parties or local
    government. Maine’s hydroelectric dams are inspected by the Federal
    Energy Regulatory Commission, not the state”… right from the article.

    Many of those that are owned by the state are so because the previous private owners were incapable of keeping up with the costs of maintenance and upgrades because few of these dams do anything more than hold back water, which equals no profit.

    The agency tasked with inspecting these dams is failing because people are unwilling to pay what it costs to keep people safe, even if it costs a few extra tax dollars.

  • Anonymous

    The simplest way to deal with this problem would be to remove these high-hazard dams in a safe way, restoring their rivers to a natural (and non-hazardous) state.

  • Anonymous

    If it was not for dams some streams an rivers would have hardly an water in them Like Messolonskee  stream an the Belgrade  chain .

  • Anonymous

    “Your approach might make some sense if the majority of the dams in question weren’t already privately owned.”

    -Even with the privately owned the inspection does not fall on the owner.  It falls on an inept entity called the government.  It should solely fall on the owner.  If the government says “we are responsible for inspections” where is the owners incentive to do it?

    “Many of those that are owned by the state are so because the previous
    private owners were incapable of keeping up with the costs of
    maintenance and upgrades because few of these dams do anything more than
    hold back water, which equals no profit.”

    How does that relieve them out of the responsibility of maintenance?  They bought the property they have a responsibility to maintain it.  The government isn’t going to do it. 

    “The agency tasked with inspecting these dams is failing because people
    are unwilling to pay what it costs to keep people safe, even if it costs
    a few extra tax dollars.”

    -A few extra dollars???   It’s always “a few extra dollars” isn’t it?  That is garbage.  “The people” are not the owners.  The owners need to be held accountable.  The state has failed not because of money.  The state has failed because all government is a failure by the very nature of it’s structure.  It doesn’t matter if you taxed everyone at 100% the state would still cry that there isn’t enough money.   It’s the nature of government to run inefficiently.  The property belongs to the owner and the owner needs to step up and maintain his/her property or be held accountable when something goes wrong. 

  • Anonymous

    “Your approach might make some sense if the majority of the dams in question weren’t already privately owned.”

    -Even with the privately owned the inspection does not fall on the owner.  It falls on an inept entity called the government.  It should solely fall on the owner.  If the government says “we are responsible for inspections” where is the owners incentive to do it?

    “Many of those that are owned by the state are so because the previous
    private owners were incapable of keeping up with the costs of
    maintenance and upgrades because few of these dams do anything more than
    hold back water, which equals no profit.”

    How does that relieve them out of the responsibility of maintenance?  They bought the property they have a responsibility to maintain it.  The government isn’t going to do it. 

    “The agency tasked with inspecting these dams is failing because people
    are unwilling to pay what it costs to keep people safe, even if it costs
    a few extra tax dollars.”

    -A few extra dollars???   It’s always “a few extra dollars” isn’t it?  That is garbage.  “The people” are not the owners.  The owners need to be held accountable.  The state has failed not because of money.  The state has failed because all government is a failure by the very nature of it’s structure.  It doesn’t matter if you taxed everyone at 100% the state would still cry that there isn’t enough money.   It’s the nature of government to run inefficiently.  The property belongs to the owner and the owner needs to step up and maintain his/her property or be held accountable when something goes wrong. 

  • Anonymous

    Many of these dams are privately owned. The article said, “most private dam owners don’t have much money and a court case would eat up what money the owner may have rather than use that money towards a repair.”

    That works against your assertion that the problem is state ownership, or that government fails at what it does. I imagine you’d be against putting any taxpayer dollars towards additional inspections, or repairing dangerous dams… unless, perhaps, your own home is located just below a dangerous dam.

  • Anonymous

    Many of these dams are privately owned. The article said, “most private dam owners don’t have much money and a court case would eat up what money the owner may have rather than use that money towards a repair.”

    That works against your assertion that the problem is state ownership, or that government fails at what it does. I imagine you’d be against putting any taxpayer dollars towards additional inspections, or repairing dangerous dams… unless, perhaps, your own home is located just below a dangerous dam.

  • Anonymous

    The problem is that people want the government to do something to keep them safe (along with a million other things), refuse to pay for it, and then blame the government when they try to do the most with the piddling money that they were given to perform an overwhelming task and struggle to keep up. Instead of setting these programs up to fail, lets just let them do their job. If we want dam inspections at all (which is obviously a requirement if we are to have any dams) then we need to pay the cost required to have them.

  • Anonymous

    See – now you’re talking about adding more inspectors and that a political problem. Tea Partiers won’t allow you to spend money for essential services. And if somebody has to die, that just the cost of doing, or not doing, business. I wonder how much a law suit against the state for wrongful death would cost, as opposed to correcting the situation.

  • Anonymous

    “The problem is that people want the government to do something to keep them safe”

    -Speak for yourself.  The government doesn’t keep you safe.  They provide the illusion of safety blatantly obvious from the article above.

    “(along with a million other things), refuse to pay for it, and then
    blame the government when they try to do the most with the piddling
    money that they were given to perform an overwhelming task and struggle
    to keep up”

    -Piddling money???  Hahahaa..  how many millions upon millions does the government take in a year???  The government is inept and inefficient. 

    “Instead of setting these programs up to fail, lets just let them do
    their job. If we want dam inspections at all (which is obviously a
    requirement if we are to have any dams) then we need to pay the cost
    required to have them.”

    -Do their job??  They obviously can’t..they havent inspected some of these dams for YEARS!  YEARS!  Because government is a FAILURE!  It should fall on the owner and the publicly owned damns should be sold.

  • Anonymous

    “The problem is that people want the government to do something to keep them safe”

    -Speak for yourself.  The government doesn’t keep you safe.  They provide the illusion of safety blatantly obvious from the article above.

    “(along with a million other things), refuse to pay for it, and then
    blame the government when they try to do the most with the piddling
    money that they were given to perform an overwhelming task and struggle
    to keep up”

    -Piddling money???  Hahahaa..  how many millions upon millions does the government take in a year???  The government is inept and inefficient. 

    “Instead of setting these programs up to fail, lets just let them do
    their job. If we want dam inspections at all (which is obviously a
    requirement if we are to have any dams) then we need to pay the cost
    required to have them.”

    -Do their job??  They obviously can’t..they havent inspected some of these dams for YEARS!  YEARS!  Because government is a FAILURE!  It should fall on the owner and the publicly owned damns should be sold.

  • Anonymous

    “The problem is that people want the government to do something to keep them safe”

    -Speak for yourself.  The government doesn’t keep you safe.  They provide the illusion of safety blatantly obvious from the article above.

    “(along with a million other things), refuse to pay for it, and then
    blame the government when they try to do the most with the piddling
    money that they were given to perform an overwhelming task and struggle
    to keep up”

    -Piddling money???  Hahahaa..  how many millions upon millions does the government take in a year???  The government is inept and inefficient. 

    “Instead of setting these programs up to fail, lets just let them do
    their job. If we want dam inspections at all (which is obviously a
    requirement if we are to have any dams) then we need to pay the cost
    required to have them.”

    -Do their job??  They obviously can’t..they havent inspected some of these dams for YEARS!  YEARS!  Because government is a FAILURE!  It should fall on the owner and the publicly owned damns should be sold.

  • Anonymous

    “The problem is that people want the government to do something to keep them safe”

    -Speak for yourself.  The government doesn’t keep you safe.  They provide the illusion of safety blatantly obvious from the article above.

    “(along with a million other things), refuse to pay for it, and then
    blame the government when they try to do the most with the piddling
    money that they were given to perform an overwhelming task and struggle
    to keep up”

    -Piddling money???  Hahahaa..  how many millions upon millions does the government take in a year???  The government is inept and inefficient. 

    “Instead of setting these programs up to fail, lets just let them do
    their job. If we want dam inspections at all (which is obviously a
    requirement if we are to have any dams) then we need to pay the cost
    required to have them.”

    -Do their job??  They obviously can’t..they havent inspected some of these dams for YEARS!  YEARS!  Because government is a FAILURE!  It should fall on the owner and the publicly owned damns should be sold.

  • Anonymous

    “The problem is that people want the government to do something to keep them safe”

    -Speak for yourself.  The government doesn’t keep you safe.  They provide the illusion of safety blatantly obvious from the article above.

    “(along with a million other things), refuse to pay for it, and then
    blame the government when they try to do the most with the piddling
    money that they were given to perform an overwhelming task and struggle
    to keep up”

    -Piddling money???  Hahahaa..  how many millions upon millions does the government take in a year???  The government is inept and inefficient. 

    “Instead of setting these programs up to fail, lets just let them do
    their job. If we want dam inspections at all (which is obviously a
    requirement if we are to have any dams) then we need to pay the cost
    required to have them.”

    -Do their job??  They obviously can’t..they havent inspected some of these dams for YEARS!  YEARS!  Because government is a FAILURE!  It should fall on the owner and the publicly owned damns should be sold.

  • Anonymous

    “The problem is that people want the government to do something to keep them safe”

    -Speak for yourself.  The government doesn’t keep you safe.  They provide the illusion of safety blatantly obvious from the article above.

    “(along with a million other things), refuse to pay for it, and then
    blame the government when they try to do the most with the piddling
    money that they were given to perform an overwhelming task and struggle
    to keep up”

    -Piddling money???  Hahahaa..  how many millions upon millions does the government take in a year???  The government is inept and inefficient. 

    “Instead of setting these programs up to fail, lets just let them do
    their job. If we want dam inspections at all (which is obviously a
    requirement if we are to have any dams) then we need to pay the cost
    required to have them.”

    -Do their job??  They obviously can’t..they havent inspected some of these dams for YEARS!  YEARS!  Because government is a FAILURE!  It should fall on the owner and the publicly owned damns should be sold.

  • Anonymous

    “The problem is that people want the government to do something to keep them safe”

    -Speak for yourself.  The government doesn’t keep you safe.  They provide the illusion of safety blatantly obvious from the article above.

    “(along with a million other things), refuse to pay for it, and then
    blame the government when they try to do the most with the piddling
    money that they were given to perform an overwhelming task and struggle
    to keep up”

    -Piddling money???  Hahahaa..  how many millions upon millions does the government take in a year???  The government is inept and inefficient. 

    “Instead of setting these programs up to fail, lets just let them do
    their job. If we want dam inspections at all (which is obviously a
    requirement if we are to have any dams) then we need to pay the cost
    required to have them.”

    -Do their job??  They obviously can’t..they havent inspected some of these dams for YEARS!  YEARS!  Because government is a FAILURE!  It should fall on the owner and the publicly owned damns should be sold.

  • Anonymous

    “The problem is that people want the government to do something to keep them safe”

    -Speak for yourself.  The government doesn’t keep you safe.  They provide the illusion of safety blatantly obvious from the article above.

    “(along with a million other things), refuse to pay for it, and then
    blame the government when they try to do the most with the piddling
    money that they were given to perform an overwhelming task and struggle
    to keep up”

    -Piddling money???  Hahahaa..  how many millions upon millions does the government take in a year???  The government is inept and inefficient. 

    “Instead of setting these programs up to fail, lets just let them do
    their job. If we want dam inspections at all (which is obviously a
    requirement if we are to have any dams) then we need to pay the cost
    required to have them.”

    -Do their job??  They obviously can’t..they havent inspected some of these dams for YEARS!  YEARS!  Because government is a FAILURE!  It should fall on the owner and the publicly owned damns should be sold.

  • Anonymous

    “The problem is that people want the government to do something to keep them safe”

    -Speak for yourself.  The government doesn’t keep you safe.  They provide the illusion of safety blatantly obvious from the article above.

    “(along with a million other things), refuse to pay for it, and then
    blame the government when they try to do the most with the piddling
    money that they were given to perform an overwhelming task and struggle
    to keep up”

    -Piddling money???  Hahahaa..  how many millions upon millions does the government take in a year???  The government is inept and inefficient. 

    “Instead of setting these programs up to fail, lets just let them do
    their job. If we want dam inspections at all (which is obviously a
    requirement if we are to have any dams) then we need to pay the cost
    required to have them.”

    -Do their job??  They obviously can’t..they havent inspected some of these dams for YEARS!  YEARS!  Because government is a FAILURE!  It should fall on the owner and the publicly owned damns should be sold.

  • Anonymous

    call me a brain dead member of the populace, but it comes down to who do you trust more, government or private industry?

    I am not here to say government is better than private industry, but after the bank bail outs and the robo-foreclosure scandals, i don’t believe private industry is any better than the government.

    greed on one side.  lack of political will on the other.  dammed if we do. dammed if we don’t.

  • Anonymous

    call me a brain dead member of the populace, but it comes down to who do you trust more, government or private industry?

    I am not here to say government is better than private industry, but after the bank bail outs and the robo-foreclosure scandals, i don’t believe private industry is any better than the government.

    greed on one side.  lack of political will on the other.  dammed if we do. dammed if we don’t.

  • Anonymous

    “That works against your assertion that the problem is state ownership, or that government fails at what it does.”

    Uh no.  The government has failed as an inspector.  Is that not clear from the article?  So how can you tell me I’m wrong?  Government has clearly failed here just like they fail at everything it does. 

    “I imagine you’d be against putting any taxpayer dollars towards additional inspections, or repairing dangerous dams”

    -Yeah I am.  I want the property owner to pay for it.  They bought the property knowing there was a dam on it and it should fall on them to do it or sell it.  Secondly I want the state to sell off all the public dams to private individuals who will be held accountable for the dam failure or else remove them.

    “unless, perhaps, your own home is located just below a dangerous dam.”

    -My own home is located below a dam.  I would put more faith in a private owner who is responsible for the upkeep because if the dam fails he would be sued in civil court and his insurance company would be on the hook.  If the dam fails now who’s on the hook?  The government??  Hahahahaha…GOOOOOD ONE!  I know that the government isn’t going to save me no matter how much money they have.  Government will always fail.  It’s what they do.  Read history.

  • Anonymous

    “That works against your assertion that the problem is state ownership, or that government fails at what it does.”

    Uh no.  The government has failed as an inspector.  Is that not clear from the article?  So how can you tell me I’m wrong?  Government has clearly failed here just like they fail at everything it does. 

    “I imagine you’d be against putting any taxpayer dollars towards additional inspections, or repairing dangerous dams”

    -Yeah I am.  I want the property owner to pay for it.  They bought the property knowing there was a dam on it and it should fall on them to do it or sell it.  Secondly I want the state to sell off all the public dams to private individuals who will be held accountable for the dam failure or else remove them.

    “unless, perhaps, your own home is located just below a dangerous dam.”

    -My own home is located below a dam.  I would put more faith in a private owner who is responsible for the upkeep because if the dam fails he would be sued in civil court and his insurance company would be on the hook.  If the dam fails now who’s on the hook?  The government??  Hahahahaha…GOOOOOD ONE!  I know that the government isn’t going to save me no matter how much money they have.  Government will always fail.  It’s what they do.  Read history.

  • Anonymous

    “That works against your assertion that the problem is state ownership, or that government fails at what it does.”

    Uh no.  The government has failed as an inspector.  Is that not clear from the article?  So how can you tell me I’m wrong?  Government has clearly failed here just like they fail at everything it does. 

    “I imagine you’d be against putting any taxpayer dollars towards additional inspections, or repairing dangerous dams”

    -Yeah I am.  I want the property owner to pay for it.  They bought the property knowing there was a dam on it and it should fall on them to do it or sell it.  Secondly I want the state to sell off all the public dams to private individuals who will be held accountable for the dam failure or else remove them.

    “unless, perhaps, your own home is located just below a dangerous dam.”

    -My own home is located below a dam.  I would put more faith in a private owner who is responsible for the upkeep because if the dam fails he would be sued in civil court and his insurance company would be on the hook.  If the dam fails now who’s on the hook?  The government??  Hahahahaha…GOOOOOD ONE!  I know that the government isn’t going to save me no matter how much money they have.  Government will always fail.  It’s what they do.  Read history.

  • Anonymous

    “That works against your assertion that the problem is state ownership, or that government fails at what it does.”

    Uh no.  The government has failed as an inspector.  Is that not clear from the article?  So how can you tell me I’m wrong?  Government has clearly failed here just like they fail at everything it does. 

    “I imagine you’d be against putting any taxpayer dollars towards additional inspections, or repairing dangerous dams”

    -Yeah I am.  I want the property owner to pay for it.  They bought the property knowing there was a dam on it and it should fall on them to do it or sell it.  Secondly I want the state to sell off all the public dams to private individuals who will be held accountable for the dam failure or else remove them.

    “unless, perhaps, your own home is located just below a dangerous dam.”

    -My own home is located below a dam.  I would put more faith in a private owner who is responsible for the upkeep because if the dam fails he would be sued in civil court and his insurance company would be on the hook.  If the dam fails now who’s on the hook?  The government??  Hahahahaha…GOOOOOD ONE!  I know that the government isn’t going to save me no matter how much money they have.  Government will always fail.  It’s what they do.  Read history.

  • Anonymous

    “That works against your assertion that the problem is state ownership, or that government fails at what it does.”

    Uh no.  The government has failed as an inspector.  Is that not clear from the article?  So how can you tell me I’m wrong?  Government has clearly failed here just like they fail at everything it does. 

    “I imagine you’d be against putting any taxpayer dollars towards additional inspections, or repairing dangerous dams”

    -Yeah I am.  I want the property owner to pay for it.  They bought the property knowing there was a dam on it and it should fall on them to do it or sell it.  Secondly I want the state to sell off all the public dams to private individuals who will be held accountable for the dam failure or else remove them.

    “unless, perhaps, your own home is located just below a dangerous dam.”

    -My own home is located below a dam.  I would put more faith in a private owner who is responsible for the upkeep because if the dam fails he would be sued in civil court and his insurance company would be on the hook.  If the dam fails now who’s on the hook?  The government??  Hahahahaha…GOOOOOD ONE!  I know that the government isn’t going to save me no matter how much money they have.  Government will always fail.  It’s what they do.  Read history.

  • Anonymous

    “That works against your assertion that the problem is state ownership, or that government fails at what it does.”

    Uh no.  The government has failed as an inspector.  Is that not clear from the article?  So how can you tell me I’m wrong?  Government has clearly failed here just like they fail at everything it does. 

    “I imagine you’d be against putting any taxpayer dollars towards additional inspections, or repairing dangerous dams”

    -Yeah I am.  I want the property owner to pay for it.  They bought the property knowing there was a dam on it and it should fall on them to do it or sell it.  Secondly I want the state to sell off all the public dams to private individuals who will be held accountable for the dam failure or else remove them.

    “unless, perhaps, your own home is located just below a dangerous dam.”

    -My own home is located below a dam.  I would put more faith in a private owner who is responsible for the upkeep because if the dam fails he would be sued in civil court and his insurance company would be on the hook.  If the dam fails now who’s on the hook?  The government??  Hahahahaha…GOOOOOD ONE!  I know that the government isn’t going to save me no matter how much money they have.  Government will always fail.  It’s what they do.  Read history.

  • Anonymous

    “call me a brain dead member of the populace, but it comes down to who do you trust more, government or private industry?”

    -private industry.  My neighbor.

    ” I am not here to say government is better than private industry, but
    after the bank bail outs and the robo-foreclosure scandals, i don’t
    believe private industry is any better than the government.”

    -Those are examples of corporations not what I would call private industry and certainly not private land owners.  Corporations are called private but far from it.  If they were truly private they wouldn’t  be corporations.  Corporations are granted special privileges by the government hence their corporate status.  Mom and pops store down the road don’t receive the benefits that a corporation does.  Corporations operate by working together with criminal politicians to write laws that benefit the corporations so they can drive out the true private businesses.  It’s a public private partnership along with the banks.  “Corporatism”.  If you would ask me who do I trust more: politicians or corporations that would be like asking do I like the Gambino’s more than the Gotti’s.  No difference.

    “greed on one side.  lack of political will on the other.  dammed if we do. dammed if we don’t.”

    -Greed on both sides.  We are all damned.  Trust me.

  • Anonymous

    “call me a brain dead member of the populace, but it comes down to who do you trust more, government or private industry?”

    -private industry.  My neighbor.

    ” I am not here to say government is better than private industry, but
    after the bank bail outs and the robo-foreclosure scandals, i don’t
    believe private industry is any better than the government.”

    -Those are examples of corporations not what I would call private industry and certainly not private land owners.  Corporations are called private but far from it.  If they were truly private they wouldn’t  be corporations.  Corporations are granted special privileges by the government hence their corporate status.  Mom and pops store down the road don’t receive the benefits that a corporation does.  Corporations operate by working together with criminal politicians to write laws that benefit the corporations so they can drive out the true private businesses.  It’s a public private partnership along with the banks.  “Corporatism”.  If you would ask me who do I trust more: politicians or corporations that would be like asking do I like the Gambino’s more than the Gotti’s.  No difference.

    “greed on one side.  lack of political will on the other.  dammed if we do. dammed if we don’t.”

    -Greed on both sides.  We are all damned.  Trust me.

  • Anonymous

    “call me a brain dead member of the populace, but it comes down to who do you trust more, government or private industry?”

    -private industry.  My neighbor.

    ” I am not here to say government is better than private industry, but
    after the bank bail outs and the robo-foreclosure scandals, i don’t
    believe private industry is any better than the government.”

    -Those are examples of corporations not what I would call private industry and certainly not private land owners.  Corporations are called private but far from it.  If they were truly private they wouldn’t  be corporations.  Corporations are granted special privileges by the government hence their corporate status.  Mom and pops store down the road don’t receive the benefits that a corporation does.  Corporations operate by working together with criminal politicians to write laws that benefit the corporations so they can drive out the true private businesses.  It’s a public private partnership along with the banks.  “Corporatism”.  If you would ask me who do I trust more: politicians or corporations that would be like asking do I like the Gambino’s more than the Gotti’s.  No difference.

    “greed on one side.  lack of political will on the other.  dammed if we do. dammed if we don’t.”

    -Greed on both sides.  We are all damned.  Trust me.

  • Anonymous

    “call me a brain dead member of the populace, but it comes down to who do you trust more, government or private industry?”

    -private industry.  My neighbor.

    ” I am not here to say government is better than private industry, but
    after the bank bail outs and the robo-foreclosure scandals, i don’t
    believe private industry is any better than the government.”

    -Those are examples of corporations not what I would call private industry and certainly not private land owners.  Corporations are called private but far from it.  If they were truly private they wouldn’t  be corporations.  Corporations are granted special privileges by the government hence their corporate status.  Mom and pops store down the road don’t receive the benefits that a corporation does.  Corporations operate by working together with criminal politicians to write laws that benefit the corporations so they can drive out the true private businesses.  It’s a public private partnership along with the banks.  “Corporatism”.  If you would ask me who do I trust more: politicians or corporations that would be like asking do I like the Gambino’s more than the Gotti’s.  No difference.

    “greed on one side.  lack of political will on the other.  dammed if we do. dammed if we don’t.”

    -Greed on both sides.  We are all damned.  Trust me.

  • Justin

    In this case the government has failed because the inspection program isn’t adequately funded. How would you suggest requiring that private landowners pay for the inspection of their dams? Isn’t that an intrusion of government which, by your logic, is destined to fail?

    Seems like the convenient excuse is to find a way to blame the government for whatever happens. Do you think private landowners would voluntarily pay for inspections if the government doesn’t mandate them?

    I’d rather not rely on the risk of consequences from a failed dam to encourage private landowners to do inspections. Roads may crumble and people may be injured or killed… would a civil suit prevent any of that?

  • Anonymous

    “In this case the government has failed because the inspection program isn’t adequately funded.”

    -No the program has failed because the government is inept, inefficient and has no incentive.  Just like public schools.  We spend more today than ever and the results are worse than ever, but I’m sure you would attribute that to lack of money.  Just never enough is there?  Private schools seem to make it work, jeez can’t figure it out.

    “How would you suggest requiring that private landowners pay for the
    inspection of their dams? Isn’t that an intrusion of government which,
    by your logic, is destined to fail?”

    -No because the insurance companies with their incentive not to get sued after a disaster would require the dams to be maintained.  If the property owner didn’t maintain the dam they would be dropped by their insurance provider. 

    “Seems like the convenient excuse is to find a way to blame the
    government for whatever happens. Do you think private landowners would
    voluntarily pay for inspections if the government doesn’t mandate them?”

    -It would be insurance driven.  The insurance companies would force the owners to keep the dams inspected.  Obviously the government isn’t doing it, but yet you call for more government. 

  • Anonymous

    “In this case the government has failed because the inspection program isn’t adequately funded.”

    -No the program has failed because the government is inept, inefficient and has no incentive.  Just like public schools.  We spend more today than ever and the results are worse than ever, but I’m sure you would attribute that to lack of money.  Just never enough is there?  Private schools seem to make it work, jeez can’t figure it out.

    “How would you suggest requiring that private landowners pay for the
    inspection of their dams? Isn’t that an intrusion of government which,
    by your logic, is destined to fail?”

    -No because the insurance companies with their incentive not to get sued after a disaster would require the dams to be maintained.  If the property owner didn’t maintain the dam they would be dropped by their insurance provider. 

    “Seems like the convenient excuse is to find a way to blame the
    government for whatever happens. Do you think private landowners would
    voluntarily pay for inspections if the government doesn’t mandate them?”

    -It would be insurance driven.  The insurance companies would force the owners to keep the dams inspected.  Obviously the government isn’t doing it, but yet you call for more government. 

  • Anonymous

    “In this case the government has failed because the inspection program isn’t adequately funded.”

    -No the program has failed because the government is inept, inefficient and has no incentive.  Just like public schools.  We spend more today than ever and the results are worse than ever, but I’m sure you would attribute that to lack of money.  Just never enough is there?  Private schools seem to make it work, jeez can’t figure it out.

    “How would you suggest requiring that private landowners pay for the
    inspection of their dams? Isn’t that an intrusion of government which,
    by your logic, is destined to fail?”

    -No because the insurance companies with their incentive not to get sued after a disaster would require the dams to be maintained.  If the property owner didn’t maintain the dam they would be dropped by their insurance provider. 

    “Seems like the convenient excuse is to find a way to blame the
    government for whatever happens. Do you think private landowners would
    voluntarily pay for inspections if the government doesn’t mandate them?”

    -It would be insurance driven.  The insurance companies would force the owners to keep the dams inspected.  Obviously the government isn’t doing it, but yet you call for more government. 

  • Anonymous

    “In this case the government has failed because the inspection program isn’t adequately funded.”

    -No the program has failed because the government is inept, inefficient and has no incentive.  Just like public schools.  We spend more today than ever and the results are worse than ever, but I’m sure you would attribute that to lack of money.  Just never enough is there?  Private schools seem to make it work, jeez can’t figure it out.

    “How would you suggest requiring that private landowners pay for the
    inspection of their dams? Isn’t that an intrusion of government which,
    by your logic, is destined to fail?”

    -No because the insurance companies with their incentive not to get sued after a disaster would require the dams to be maintained.  If the property owner didn’t maintain the dam they would be dropped by their insurance provider. 

    “Seems like the convenient excuse is to find a way to blame the
    government for whatever happens. Do you think private landowners would
    voluntarily pay for inspections if the government doesn’t mandate them?”

    -It would be insurance driven.  The insurance companies would force the owners to keep the dams inspected.  Obviously the government isn’t doing it, but yet you call for more government. 

  • Anonymous

    “In this case the government has failed because the inspection program isn’t adequately funded.”

    -No the program has failed because the government is inept, inefficient and has no incentive.  Just like public schools.  We spend more today than ever and the results are worse than ever, but I’m sure you would attribute that to lack of money.  Just never enough is there?  Private schools seem to make it work, jeez can’t figure it out.

    “How would you suggest requiring that private landowners pay for the
    inspection of their dams? Isn’t that an intrusion of government which,
    by your logic, is destined to fail?”

    -No because the insurance companies with their incentive not to get sued after a disaster would require the dams to be maintained.  If the property owner didn’t maintain the dam they would be dropped by their insurance provider. 

    “Seems like the convenient excuse is to find a way to blame the
    government for whatever happens. Do you think private landowners would
    voluntarily pay for inspections if the government doesn’t mandate them?”

    -It would be insurance driven.  The insurance companies would force the owners to keep the dams inspected.  Obviously the government isn’t doing it, but yet you call for more government. 

  • Anonymous

    “In this case the government has failed because the inspection program isn’t adequately funded.”

    -No the program has failed because the government is inept, inefficient and has no incentive.  Just like public schools.  We spend more today than ever and the results are worse than ever, but I’m sure you would attribute that to lack of money.  Just never enough is there?  Private schools seem to make it work, jeez can’t figure it out.

    “How would you suggest requiring that private landowners pay for the
    inspection of their dams? Isn’t that an intrusion of government which,
    by your logic, is destined to fail?”

    -No because the insurance companies with their incentive not to get sued after a disaster would require the dams to be maintained.  If the property owner didn’t maintain the dam they would be dropped by their insurance provider. 

    “Seems like the convenient excuse is to find a way to blame the
    government for whatever happens. Do you think private landowners would
    voluntarily pay for inspections if the government doesn’t mandate them?”

    -It would be insurance driven.  The insurance companies would force the owners to keep the dams inspected.  Obviously the government isn’t doing it, but yet you call for more government. 

  • Anonymous

    “In this case the government has failed because the inspection program isn’t adequately funded.”

    -No the program has failed because the government is inept, inefficient and has no incentive.  Just like public schools.  We spend more today than ever and the results are worse than ever, but I’m sure you would attribute that to lack of money.  Just never enough is there?  Private schools seem to make it work, jeez can’t figure it out.

    “How would you suggest requiring that private landowners pay for the
    inspection of their dams? Isn’t that an intrusion of government which,
    by your logic, is destined to fail?”

    -No because the insurance companies with their incentive not to get sued after a disaster would require the dams to be maintained.  If the property owner didn’t maintain the dam they would be dropped by their insurance provider. 

    “Seems like the convenient excuse is to find a way to blame the
    government for whatever happens. Do you think private landowners would
    voluntarily pay for inspections if the government doesn’t mandate them?”

    -It would be insurance driven.  The insurance companies would force the owners to keep the dams inspected.  Obviously the government isn’t doing it, but yet you call for more government. 

  • Justin

    Just wondering: what would you hold up as the golden example of a good private company or business? And what about it makes it your choice?

  • Justin

    Just wondering: what would you hold up as the golden example of a good private company or business? And what about it makes it your choice?

  • Justin

    Just wondering: what would you hold up as the golden example of a good private company or business? And what about it makes it your choice?

  • Justin

    Just wondering: what would you hold up as the golden example of a good private company or business? And what about it makes it your choice?

  • Justin

    Just wondering: what would you hold up as the golden example of a good private company or business? And what about it makes it your choice?

  • Anonymous

    “Just wondering: what would you hold up as the golden example of a good
    private company or business? And what about it makes it your choice?”

    Are you asking me where I like to shop?  I don’t understand your question. 

  • Anonymous

    “Just wondering: what would you hold up as the golden example of a good
    private company or business? And what about it makes it your choice?”

    Are you asking me where I like to shop?  I don’t understand your question. 

  • Anonymous

    “Just wondering: what would you hold up as the golden example of a good
    private company or business? And what about it makes it your choice?”

    Are you asking me where I like to shop?  I don’t understand your question. 

  • Anonymous

    “Just wondering: what would you hold up as the golden example of a good
    private company or business? And what about it makes it your choice?”

    Are you asking me where I like to shop?  I don’t understand your question. 

  • Anonymous

    “Just wondering: what would you hold up as the golden example of a good
    private company or business? And what about it makes it your choice?”

    Are you asking me where I like to shop?  I don’t understand your question. 

  • Anonymous

    “Just wondering: what would you hold up as the golden example of a good
    private company or business? And what about it makes it your choice?”

    Are you asking me where I like to shop?  I don’t understand your question. 

  • Anonymous

    “Just wondering: what would you hold up as the golden example of a good
    private company or business? And what about it makes it your choice?”

    Are you asking me where I like to shop?  I don’t understand your question. 

  • Anonymous

    “Just wondering: what would you hold up as the golden example of a good
    private company or business? And what about it makes it your choice?”

    Are you asking me where I like to shop?  I don’t understand your question. 

  • Anonymous

    I disagree with your statements about the government, but can only stand back and admire your willingness to put them into practice, despite the risk of you, your family, and your home being washed downstream by a failed dam.

  • Anonymous

    I disagree with your statements about the government, but can only stand back and admire your willingness to put them into practice, despite the risk of you, your family, and your home being washed downstream by a failed dam.

  • Anonymous

    I disagree with your statements about the government, but can only stand back and admire your willingness to put them into practice, despite the risk of you, your family, and your home being washed downstream by a failed dam.

  • Anonymous

    “despite the risk of you, your family, and your home being washed downstream by a failed dam.”

    -The event of a failed dam isn’t going to be avoided by government,  considering the article above proves that government has failed at inspecting them.  I believe in an alternative to the current system which obviously isn’t working and I don’t believe it is because of money.

  • Anonymous

    I thought the law did not allow a kool-aid clinic within a certain distance of a school

  • Anonymous

    I thought the law did not allow a kool-aid clinic within a certain distance of a school

  • Anonymous

    I thought the law did not allow a kool-aid clinic within a certain distance of a school

  • Anonymous

    In the article, the inspector states that more inspectors are needed. As you know, LePage and other Tea Partiers are determined to reduce state expenses, and this will mean no additional inspectors will be hired.

    Conservatives have a habit of denying funds to programs, which cripples them, then complaining that the programs are not working, and using that assertion as an excuse to kill the programs altogether.

  • Anonymous

    In the article, the inspector states that more inspectors are needed. As you know, LePage and other Tea Partiers are determined to reduce state expenses, and this will mean no additional inspectors will be hired.

    Conservatives have a habit of denying funds to programs, which cripples them, then complaining that the programs are not working, and using that assertion as an excuse to kill the programs altogether.

  • Anonymous

    In the article, the inspector states that more inspectors are needed. As you know, LePage and other Tea Partiers are determined to reduce state expenses, and this will mean no additional inspectors will be hired.

    Conservatives have a habit of denying funds to programs, which cripples them, then complaining that the programs are not working, and using that assertion as an excuse to kill the programs altogether.

  • Anonymous

    In the article, the inspector states that more inspectors are needed. As you know, LePage and other Tea Partiers are determined to reduce state expenses, and this will mean no additional inspectors will be hired.

    Conservatives have a habit of denying funds to programs, which cripples them, then complaining that the programs are not working, and using that assertion as an excuse to kill the programs altogether.

  • Anonymous

    Well I’m not a “Tea Partier” or a fan of LePage.  I don’t see this as an issue of money.  The government has plenty of our money.  No matter how much money you throw at a government program it is still “under funded”.   Government doesn’t get the same signals as the private sector by it’s very nature.  I am a free thinker who see’s government for what it is-a bloated inefficient hack entity that will continue to fail. 

  • Anonymous

    Well I’m not a “Tea Partier” or a fan of LePage.  I don’t see this as an issue of money.  The government has plenty of our money.  No matter how much money you throw at a government program it is still “under funded”.   Government doesn’t get the same signals as the private sector by it’s very nature.  I am a free thinker who see’s government for what it is-a bloated inefficient hack entity that will continue to fail. 

  • Anonymous

    Well I’m not a “Tea Partier” or a fan of LePage.  I don’t see this as an issue of money.  The government has plenty of our money.  No matter how much money you throw at a government program it is still “under funded”.   Government doesn’t get the same signals as the private sector by it’s very nature.  I am a free thinker who see’s government for what it is-a bloated inefficient hack entity that will continue to fail. 

  • Anonymous

    Well I’m not a “Tea Partier” or a fan of LePage.  I don’t see this as an issue of money.  The government has plenty of our money.  No matter how much money you throw at a government program it is still “under funded”.   Government doesn’t get the same signals as the private sector by it’s very nature.  I am a free thinker who see’s government for what it is-a bloated inefficient hack entity that will continue to fail. 

  • Anonymous

    Well I’m not a “Tea Partier” or a fan of LePage.  I don’t see this as an issue of money.  The government has plenty of our money.  No matter how much money you throw at a government program it is still “under funded”.   Government doesn’t get the same signals as the private sector by it’s very nature.  I am a free thinker who see’s government for what it is-a bloated inefficient hack entity that will continue to fail. 

  • Anonymous

    Well I’m not a “Tea Partier” or a fan of LePage.  I don’t see this as an issue of money.  The government has plenty of our money.  No matter how much money you throw at a government program it is still “under funded”.   Government doesn’t get the same signals as the private sector by it’s very nature.  I am a free thinker who see’s government for what it is-a bloated inefficient hack entity that will continue to fail. 

  • Anonymous

    Well I’m not a “Tea Partier” or a fan of LePage.  I don’t see this as an issue of money.  The government has plenty of our money.  No matter how much money you throw at a government program it is still “under funded”.   Government doesn’t get the same signals as the private sector by it’s very nature.  I am a free thinker who see’s government for what it is-a bloated inefficient hack entity that will continue to fail. 

  • Anonymous

    I’m curious what you think the US would be like in the complete absence of “government.” No police, no fire departments, no public universities, no state legislature, no regulations (so companies can pollute as much as they want, lie to investors with impunity, slice the minumum wage to pennies per hour)…

  • Anonymous

    Swan Lake in Swanville is another one.

  • Anonymous

    “I’m curious what you think the US would be like in the complete absence
    of “government.” No police, no fire departments, no public universities,
    no state legislature, no regulations”

    -I disagree with your premise that without government we would not be governed or have police, fire, education or a system of regulations.  We just wouldn’t have government provided police, fire, education or courts.  These things would still exist, but would not be fed by compulsory taxation.  To suggest that unless the government does it nobody would do it is garbage. 

    I also disagree with your premise that government somehow has prevented companies from polluting when in fact education and public pressure has done more to prevent pollution than government laws.  100 years ago people believed the ocean was a vast cleanser that handled and cleaned all the pollution dumped into it.  If you dumped waste into the river it would just find it’s way to the ocean and be gone forever.   Today we obviously know this isn’t the case.  Do you really believe in this day and age if it wasn’t for bureaucrats companies would destroy the globe?  That all business is run by greedy planet destroying heartless beings?  Are you telling me government doesn’t run on greed?  Somehow government is filled with benevolent loving people who’s sole job in life is to nurture and protect you?  Give me a break.  The very companies you have in mind in fact are protected by the government you think is looking out for your best interest.  Government is nothing but corrupt bought politicians who make laws that are in the interest of corporations rather than the people.  You are not going to change this because it is the very nature of government.

    Who do you think the biggest supporter of the minimum wage increase was?  Who do you think pushed it?  Wal-mart.  Why?  Because they can afford the increase, but Mom and Pop can’t and it will drive them out of business giving Wal-Mart a bigger market share growing them bigger and allowing them to buy more of your precious politicians so they can in turn write more laws that benefit Wal-Mart and the cycle goes on and on.

  • Anonymous

    “I’m curious what you think the US would be like in the complete absence
    of “government.” No police, no fire departments, no public universities,
    no state legislature, no regulations”

    -I disagree with your premise that without government we would not be governed or have police, fire, education or a system of regulations.  We just wouldn’t have government provided police, fire, education or courts.  These things would still exist, but would not be fed by compulsory taxation.  To suggest that unless the government does it nobody would do it is garbage. 

    I also disagree with your premise that government somehow has prevented companies from polluting when in fact education and public pressure has done more to prevent pollution than government laws.  100 years ago people believed the ocean was a vast cleanser that handled and cleaned all the pollution dumped into it.  If you dumped waste into the river it would just find it’s way to the ocean and be gone forever.   Today we obviously know this isn’t the case.  Do you really believe in this day and age if it wasn’t for bureaucrats companies would destroy the globe?  That all business is run by greedy planet destroying heartless beings?  Are you telling me government doesn’t run on greed?  Somehow government is filled with benevolent loving people who’s sole job in life is to nurture and protect you?  Give me a break.  The very companies you have in mind in fact are protected by the government you think is looking out for your best interest.  Government is nothing but corrupt bought politicians who make laws that are in the interest of corporations rather than the people.  You are not going to change this because it is the very nature of government.

    Who do you think the biggest supporter of the minimum wage increase was?  Who do you think pushed it?  Wal-mart.  Why?  Because they can afford the increase, but Mom and Pop can’t and it will drive them out of business giving Wal-Mart a bigger market share growing them bigger and allowing them to buy more of your precious politicians so they can in turn write more laws that benefit Wal-Mart and the cycle goes on and on.

  • tbofwinthrop

    if a privately owned dam fails now, the owner is responsible.. PERIOD…  Maybe you should contact MEMA and get a copy of the law like I did when I had questions.. but apparently you like making up your own answers freeradical

  • tbofwinthrop

    if a privately owned dam fails now, the owner is responsible.. PERIOD…  Maybe you should contact MEMA and get a copy of the law like I did when I had questions.. but apparently you like making up your own answers freeradical

  • tbofwinthrop

    if a privately owned dam fails now, the owner is responsible.. PERIOD…  Maybe you should contact MEMA and get a copy of the law like I did when I had questions.. but apparently you like making up your own answers freeradical

  • tbofwinthrop

    if a privately owned dam fails now, the owner is responsible.. PERIOD…  Maybe you should contact MEMA and get a copy of the law like I did when I had questions.. but apparently you like making up your own answers freeradical

  • tbofwinthrop

    if a privately owned dam fails now, the owner is responsible.. PERIOD…  Maybe you should contact MEMA and get a copy of the law like I did when I had questions.. but apparently you like making up your own answers freeradical

  • tbofwinthrop

    if a privately owned dam fails now, the owner is responsible.. PERIOD…  Maybe you should contact MEMA and get a copy of the law like I did when I had questions.. but apparently you like making up your own answers freeradical

  • tbofwinthrop

    if a privately owned dam fails now, the owner is responsible.. PERIOD…  Maybe you should contact MEMA and get a copy of the law like I did when I had questions.. but apparently you like making up your own answers freeradical

  • tbofwinthrop

    if a privately owned dam fails now, the owner is responsible.. PERIOD…  Maybe you should contact MEMA and get a copy of the law like I did when I had questions.. but apparently you like making up your own answers freeradical

  • tbofwinthrop

    if a privately owned dam fails now, the owner is responsible.. PERIOD…  Maybe you should contact MEMA and get a copy of the law like I did when I had questions.. but apparently you like making up your own answers freeradical

  • Anonymous

    “if a privately owned dam fails now, the owner is responsible..
    PERIOD…  Maybe you should contact MEMA and get a copy of the law like I
    did when I had questions.. but apparently you like making up your own
    answers freeradical”

    I never said the owner wasn’t held responsible if the dam fails.  I said if a public damn fails the government won’t be held responsible that is why they should be sold. 

    The inspections fall under the responsibility of the government which has failed and should instead be the responsibility of the owner.  That is what this whole conversation is about so why don’t you read my posts before you spout off your face.

  • tbofwinthrop

    I have read your comments… you sound a bit bitter…

    are you a professional engineer? have you ever inspected a dam? doubt it…  ok well lets say you were the engineer hired to perform inspections, ONLY you.. one person, 793 dams according to the article, how would you go about inspecting all these dams as required by law? and dont forget to include the hours of travel lets say to Presque Isle  (approx 5 hours from Augusta) and back, how many do you think you could get done after snow and ice melt away and before snow starts again (approx 24 weeks in a yr).. I’m waiting Einstein….

    I understand you hate the government, you have that right, but clearly you need to find a more interesting hobby…

  • tbofwinthrop

    I have read your comments… you sound a bit bitter…

    are you a professional engineer? have you ever inspected a dam? doubt it…  ok well lets say you were the engineer hired to perform inspections, ONLY you.. one person, 793 dams according to the article, how would you go about inspecting all these dams as required by law? and dont forget to include the hours of travel lets say to Presque Isle  (approx 5 hours from Augusta) and back, how many do you think you could get done after snow and ice melt away and before snow starts again (approx 24 weeks in a yr).. I’m waiting Einstein….

    I understand you hate the government, you have that right, but clearly you need to find a more interesting hobby…

  • Anonymous

    “are you a professional engineer? have you ever inspected a dam? doubt it…”

    -How is this relevant?  Tell me how this is relevant to whether or not I believe it should be the state or the owner who is responsible for inspections?? 

    “one person, 793 dams according to the article, how would you go about
    inspecting all these dams as required by law? and dont forget to include
    the hours of travel lets say to Presque Isle  (approx 5 hours from
    Augusta) and back, how many do you think you could get done after snow
    and ice melt away and before snow starts again (approx 24 weeks in a
    yr).. I’m waiting Einstein….”

    -Thats just it EINSTEIN under my system each individual owner would be responsible to hire an engineer to inspect these dams.  Are you telling me there is only one person in the whole state qualified to do it??  No it’s just the state has only hired one person.  My system says the owner is responsible and would employ someone instead of waiting for the one guy the state hired to make his way around once every ten years.  If we left it up to the state to inspect our cars can you imagine how many years would go by before your car was inspected?  Instead it’s left up to you and me and we seek out one of the thousands of shops out there to do it..EINSTEIN so get a clue. 

    “I understand you hate the government, you have that right, but clearly you need to find a more interesting hobby…”

    A hobby?  Hobby?….Tell me what is your definition of a hobby?  If you hate a food is that considered a hobby?  I didn’t realize hating something was now considered a hobby…hmmm interesting.  Was that an attempt at humor which failed and exposed you for the borderline illiterate you are?

  • Anonymous

    “are you a professional engineer? have you ever inspected a dam? doubt it…”

    -How is this relevant?  Tell me how this is relevant to whether or not I believe it should be the state or the owner who is responsible for inspections?? 

    “one person, 793 dams according to the article, how would you go about
    inspecting all these dams as required by law? and dont forget to include
    the hours of travel lets say to Presque Isle  (approx 5 hours from
    Augusta) and back, how many do you think you could get done after snow
    and ice melt away and before snow starts again (approx 24 weeks in a
    yr).. I’m waiting Einstein….”

    -Thats just it EINSTEIN under my system each individual owner would be responsible to hire an engineer to inspect these dams.  Are you telling me there is only one person in the whole state qualified to do it??  No it’s just the state has only hired one person.  My system says the owner is responsible and would employ someone instead of waiting for the one guy the state hired to make his way around once every ten years.  If we left it up to the state to inspect our cars can you imagine how many years would go by before your car was inspected?  Instead it’s left up to you and me and we seek out one of the thousands of shops out there to do it..EINSTEIN so get a clue. 

    “I understand you hate the government, you have that right, but clearly you need to find a more interesting hobby…”

    A hobby?  Hobby?….Tell me what is your definition of a hobby?  If you hate a food is that considered a hobby?  I didn’t realize hating something was now considered a hobby…hmmm interesting.  Was that an attempt at humor which failed and exposed you for the borderline illiterate you are?

  • Jazz11

    Yea and those Democrat’s want to put people back to work rebuilding and repairing dams and bridges. Dam Them!

  • Anonymous

    i agree with your take on corporations vs. ‘private’ business.  but either way, it takes an engaged public to get of them to act.  businesses won’t do the right thing if they don’t think their customers would retaliate.  (in my humble  opinion)

  • Anonymous

    Winthro, great response and your right the private owners are responsible and purchased these dams long ago now the cost for engineering and ground work is so expensive they can’t do any repairs.  This article is not fully acurate and was actually written by Bates students/freshmen so take al the facts with a grain of salt.  The fact is the state workers are juggling all these dams and issues. LePage keeps cutting and cutting because he wants the nut cases and unstable folk to like him and when you do that without an educated understanding of the impact you get big time potental for problems.  Liek the guy from MEMA said after a bunch of people die then everyone will okay the funds to do the right thing…..

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