Guidelines for posting on bangordailynews.com

The Bangor Daily News encourages comments about stories, but you must follow our terms of service.

In brief:

1. Keep it civil and stay on topic
2. No vulgarity, racial slurs, name-calling or personal attacks.
3. People who harass others or joke about tragedies will be blocked.

The primary rule here is pretty simple: Treat others with the same respect you'd want for yourself. Here are some guidelines (see more):

It should be noted this is not a comprehensive list.

• Don't insult one another or the subjects of BDN stories. You may be ticked off at what someone did or said, but you can explain that without resorting to name-calling or obscenity. Remember that young people are on this site too.
• That nasty line that makes your buddies go "haw, haw"? You're better than that.
• Comments should be your own work, not copied and pasted from elsewhere, though brief quoted passages to make your point are fine. And please don't use all capital letters. There's no need to shout.
• Stay focused on the issue in the article. Off-topic posts will be deleted.
• This isn't a forum to chat about your personal life.
• Some ideas — the fate of the earth, abortion, gun control, the nature of God — aren't going to be resolved in a reader forum, so no need to get frustrated if others don't see your point of view. State your position once and leave it at that.
• If you mouse over each comment you will see a "Flag" button. Please use it if you feel comments on the site are out of line. Quite often, we won't see a comment until it's reported.
• Questions about why a comment was — or wasn't — deleted? E-mail us at web@bangordailynews.com and let us know your username and where you posted or saw the comment.

That's about it: Stick to writing about the stories; be civil; be kind; enlighten your neighbors. And we'll keep moderating posts to try to ensure everyone meets those standards.

• Anonymous

  Thank youMs Richards;  It’s nice to see someone appreciating the hard work done by  our public servants instead of the cries of  government intrusion  as we heard last week in the arrest of the mother that slept through the killing of her daughter.

• Anonymous

  Mac Herrling: In answer to your question:  An emphatic No!

• Anonymous

  Mac Herrling you no doubt are a member of the Sore Loser’s Society (Maine Majority).  The sore losers failed to rally around a candidate to make that person the winner.  They have short memories as well (Baldacci) won his last election with about the same “majority”.  Part of the problem filling cabinet posts is there is not a group of “retired”  Republican legislatures waiting for a new state job.  Where were your out cries when the legislature “balanced” the budget but failed to take care of the obligations to the pension fund.  Never mind stiffing the hospitals for millions of dollars.  No I am not a tea party member (what ever that maybe) but tired of watching the state economy being driven into a ditch while those drivers are waiting for someone to retire so they can get appointed to a “new” state job. 

• kcjonez

  Mac Herrling–I agree with you that LePage is not particularly well adapted to the role of public servant.  In answer to your question “Which people?” does the governor care about, he has made that quite obvious by introducing legislation written by ALEC and lobbyists for corporations.  He cares for the people who have money.  He cares not a fig about economic justice.  

• Anonymous

  John Lyman, you nailed it dead on. Congress holds the purse strings of the nation. They need to s–t or get off the pot.

• Anonymous

  DONALD,
  The young man deserved every bit of the fifty years and you can thank the touchy-feely groups for no death penalty in Maine. The cases you mention and many more warrant the death penalty.

  JOHN,
  Do you really expect our politicians on either side of the isle to really care about anybody but themselves.

  CHERYL,
  Many of the Tea Party Republicans are doing as we’ve asked, don’t raise the debt limit, and cut spending. If you don’t support these two basic principle of getting to a balanced budget then you need to join the other tax and spend party.

  MAC,
  I smell sour grapes all over your letter.

• Anonymous

  There is no such thing as “economic justice” there is only justice. Economic justice is just the new term for wealth redistribution.

  I understand the issue of rich v poor, but allowing the government to decide to level the income will bring everyone, besides the people in the ruling class, equal and living in poverty.

  We can not give that power to the government. look anywhere it has been tried.

• Anonymous

  There is no such thing as “economic justice” there is only justice. Economic justice is just the new term for wealth redistribution.

  I understand the issue of rich v poor, but allowing the government to decide to level the income will bring everyone, besides the people in the ruling class, equal and living in poverty.

  We can not give that power to the government. look anywhere it has been tried.

• Anonymous

  I agree that congress holds the purse strings, but the people there have shown they will only continue to make things worse.

  You may not agree with the new bunch of elected office holders, but they are doing what they elected to do. Just as I do not agree with much that Obama has done, but he is doing what he was elected to do, fundamentally change the country.

• kcjonez

  There most certainly is such a thing as economic justice, although it is much scarcer than economic injustice.  

  I can speak of one place it was tried, right here in the mid 20th century.  We have never been as strong or as forward looking or as optimistic as we were during this time when progressive economics was the rule.  

• Anonymous

  Cheryl, you must live in a cave. FDR turned a one year recession into a 13 year depression with the policies you advocate. Obama is trying to do the same thing. Your recollection of history is flawed. Big government spending is only temporary and prevents job growth in the private sector where it is sustainable. I would not say you and yours are stubborn, just ignorant! Can you give me ONE example of where your socialist policies actually work outside of the elitist mind?

  The whackos (Mac, Cheryl) are out in force today. Must be some sort of commie holiday!

• PabMainer

  Mac….first of all you should read the article from some of Maine’s business community re: Gov. Lepage’s first 6 months in office declaring many positive building blocks put in place by this administration….apparently you missed it…..
  Also, your reference to a “first term Republican who almost shot a news photographer in Augusta”…. If you are referencing the gentleman from Garland, first of all the “incident” happened in Waterville Not Augusta, and he “threatened” with a weapon, no shots were fired, you are spinning things wrongly…..
  Also, the sale of the Thomaston property started before the Lepage administration and involved appointees from the previous administration and the Lepage administration is the one that brought the sale into suspect, so again another false spin job by you…..
  Also, your claims about the most recent departure of the Marine Commission Head and supposed comments re: Portland and enemies are at this point empty unproven charges…..you must be getting very dizzy at this point…..
  Also, his secretary had financial issues long before Mr. Lepage, claiming this personal financial fiasco as having anything to do with Gov. Lepage is ludicrous…..
  Also……well at this point I guess IMHO anyways, your letter is so full of incorrect information, baseless claims, unproven charges, well, enough said……
  Also, your

• Anonymous

  When you respond to multiple letters/issues it would be easier to reply if you made separate posts for each letter.

  Our “justice” system is broken. That is  undeniable.

  Should the mother that killed her child have gotten away with no consequences? absolutly not

  Should the mother that abused a newborn that severely have only gotten just two years? No

  Should a man get fifty years for B&E and A&B as a first offense? probably not,
   
  I do not know the facts of any of these crimes but it does not seem the results were just.

• Anonymous

  What BS. Explain how it should work, and how you propose the government accomplish this task?

  We are now seeing how well the New Deal and Great Society have worked.

• Anonymous

  Exactly.  You need look no further than the former MTA director (former Dem Legiscritter) who made off with hundreds of thousands to see what the Dem legislators aspired to.  They were more interested in selling the state liquor business to a connected Dem insider at a fire sale price than making Maine a better place to live. There’s no telling what else will be uncovered now that they can’t provide cover 24/7.

• http://profiles.google.com/sdemetri Stephen Demetriou

  John Lyman is absolutely correct. The debt limit is a farce:

  http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2011/07/what-to-do-about-the-debt-ceiling.html

  “Shame on Boehner. Shame on McConnell. Shame on Obama.”

• http://profiles.google.com/sdemetri Stephen Demetriou

  John Lyman is absolutely correct. The debt limit is a farce:

  http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2011/07/what-to-do-about-the-debt-ceiling.html

  “Shame on Boehner. Shame on McConnell. Shame on Obama.”

• Anonymous

  When all Mac has to fall back on is that failed Baldacci administration what do you expect?  Baldacci’s picture should be in Wikipedia next to failure as an example.

• Anonymous

  When all Mac has to fall back on is that failed Baldacci administration what do you expect?  Baldacci’s picture should be in Wikipedia next to failure as an example.

• Anonymous

  When all Mac has to fall back on is that failed Baldacci administration what do you expect?  Baldacci’s picture should be in Wikipedia next to failure as an example.

• http://profiles.google.com/sdemetri Stephen Demetriou

  BS. Nothing but.

  A one year recession? That’s rich. How’d you cipher that one, howbri?

• kcjonez

  It should work quite well.  The government only needs to return our tax code to what it was fifty years ago.  It would help to beat our swords into plowshares.  Of course we can’t afford to engage in the infrastructure improvement and social welfare that we should until we start to fill in the hole that the failed supply side economics experiment has left us in.  The New Deal and Great Society worked a heckuva lot better than “trickle down”.  

• Anonymous

  As usual a non answer, and socialist BS

• Kevin Grant

  Mac Herrling, gotta love the way you take pointing a loaded handgun at someone to “almost shot”. 

• Anonymous

  Donald N. Scott, I agree that there seems to be unequal justice in the system. But without the full information that was available to the judges in these cases, there is no way to judge the fairly judge the sentencing.

  You mentioned a 19 year old who was sentenced to 50 years for home invasion where a father and daughter were injured. Would that have been the case where the invader used a machete on the father and daughter in the process of robbing them? The daughter was only a little girl? If so, then I think the judge was lenient, in that the sentence wasn’t life without parole. But then again you didn’t bring out any facts about this case.

• Anonymous

  One year recession? Let me check my math, the crash happend in 29, FDR was elected in 32. Um, in at least 1 of the 4 HS’s I was thrown out of that was a 3 year downward spiral under Republican leadership. You could elect Christ and the 12 deciples and it would take them time to undo the damage done by the previous administration.

• Anonymous

  tea party BS

• Anonymous

  cheryl thanks for your comments. Anyone who doesn’t acknowledge the grip big corps have on our political system and participants, read this….in 1979 Walmart employed 21,000 people G.M. employed 618.000 and CEO’s made 35.2 times more than their average worker, in 2008 Walmart employed 1.4 million folks, G.M. had 92,053 and CEO’s made 275.4 times more than their average worker. manufacturing is not coming back, the richest 5% of Americans and their lobbyists control the political system here. It’s time for a real revolution, thousands on the streets, pushing back at the greedy corporations and their minions. In thirty years America has gone from a country that protected  and listened to her citizens to a country deaf to any thought other than what big biz wants. And big banks want your social security to play their ponzi schemes. 
  larryin camden..would you have any objection to just bringing back Glass-Steigal? Or how about taxing at a small percentage the trades on Wall Street. But probably not, what you want to do is spout that”government leveling the income will make us all poor” crap. Government is a necessary tool and when you starve it, that’s when the poverty level  becomes exacerbated. We as a country are better than this. We are a rich country. Social security and medicare are secure now and for the foreseeable future. Some peopple have bought the idea that they are going under. Wake up, investigate, we are being sold a bag of horse manure and all we seem able to do is shuffle about and mumble “Thank you sir”  

• Anonymous

  cheryl thanks for your comments. Anyone who doesn’t acknowledge the grip big corps have on our political system and participants, read this….in 1979 Walmart employed 21,000 people G.M. employed 618.000 and CEO’s made 35.2 times more than their average worker, in 2008 Walmart employed 1.4 million folks, G.M. had 92,053 and CEO’s made 275.4 times more than their average worker. manufacturing is not coming back, the richest 5% of Americans and their lobbyists control the political system here. It’s time for a real revolution, thousands on the streets, pushing back at the greedy corporations and their minions. In thirty years America has gone from a country that protected  and listened to her citizens to a country deaf to any thought other than what big biz wants. And big banks want your social security to play their ponzi schemes. 
  larryin camden..would you have any objection to just bringing back Glass-Steigal? Or how about taxing at a small percentage the trades on Wall Street. But probably not, what you want to do is spout that”government leveling the income will make us all poor” crap. Government is a necessary tool and when you starve it, that’s when the poverty level  becomes exacerbated. We as a country are better than this. We are a rich country. Social security and medicare are secure now and for the foreseeable future. Some peopple have bought the idea that they are going under. Wake up, investigate, we are being sold a bag of horse manure and all we seem able to do is shuffle about and mumble “Thank you sir”  

• kcjonez

  Proverbs 26:4

• Anonymous

                 The concept of “Economic Justice is a lie used by those on the left from the Soviet Union to Cuba. That idea is what led Enver Hoxha to keep his country out of the 20th Century for 35 plus years. “Economic Justice” was one of the excuses that Pol Pot used to empty the cities of Cambodia and led to the murder of 1.6 million people.
                “Economic Justice” is the justification for stealing from one group of people and handing it to another. Whether it is Mugabe in Zimbabwe stealing land farmers have lived on for generations and giving it to “farmers” who don’t farm starving their own people or Chavez stealing business from people that disagree with his politics in Venezuela to give to his allies.
                The term “Economic Justice” is just a synonym for totalitarianism.

• Anonymous

  Cheryl, Don’t be to enamored by those that are so full of themselves like Krugman. He spends a lot of his time with the “I” and “me” words and his head is a little bit misshapen as a result. Krugman was right once and has been living off the notoriety ever since.
                 The thing that government officials and academic economists like Reich should know but don’t is that the economics is not an exact science. It is more of a moving target. What works in one set of circumstances may not work in the next. Krugman and people like R. Reich are fighting the last battle as economists often do.
                 

• Anonymous

  The Depression started in ’29, and FDR (elected in ’32) took office in ’33.  Do the math.
  Things were improving greatly under FDR’s New Deal spending and investment in infrastructure until budget-cutting, tax increases, and the tightening of the money supply (the last being by the Fed) led to a recession in 1937-38.  Finally the massive stimulus of World War II spending got us out of the Depression.
  The Republicans are now trying to kill our economy in two ways — slash spending to drastically weaken the economy, or — if the president doesn’t give in to their demands — they will send the government into default, which could cause another Great Depression.  Either way, the tea party will wreck our economy.  They are incapable of learning from history.
   ”History may not repeat itself, but it rhymes.”  — I think that’s Mark Twain. :)

• Anonymous

  Economic justice is a synonym for totalitarianism.  What piffle.  Justice is a synonym for totalitarianism.  Liberty is a synonym for totalitarianism.  Liberty and Justice for All is a synonym for totalitarianism.  Equality is a synonym for totalitarianism.  Social Justice is a synonym for totalitarianism.  Justice is fairness, therefore fairness is a synonym for totalitarianism. Ridiculous statements all.

• Anonymous

  Economic justice is a synonym for totalitarianism.  What piffle.  Justice is a synonym for totalitarianism.  Liberty is a synonym for totalitarianism.  Liberty and Justice for All is a synonym for totalitarianism.  Equality is a synonym for totalitarianism.  Social Justice is a synonym for totalitarianism.  Justice is fairness, therefore fairness is a synonym for totalitarianism. Ridiculous statements all.

• Anonymous

  Economic justice is a synonym for totalitarianism.  What piffle.  Justice is a synonym for totalitarianism.  Liberty is a synonym for totalitarianism.  Liberty and Justice for All is a synonym for totalitarianism.  Equality is a synonym for totalitarianism.  Social Justice is a synonym for totalitarianism.  Justice is fairness, therefore fairness is a synonym for totalitarianism. Ridiculous statements all.

• Anonymous

  Ok I’m in tax code of  50 years ago account for inflation making the top marginal rate begins at $2 million not $250k , 3 Martini lunches are deductible and there is no sales tax (started in 1951) Or no state income tax (1969).  If all things are equal. I would benefit from that.

• Anonymous

  Ask the 1.6 million Cambodians that died because their government marched them out of their cities with guns to their heads if they had “Economic Justice.”  You strike me as being incredibly naive, enamored by words that have a history of killing people simply because they sound good.

• Anonymous

  You are naive if you think social justice is what the Cambodians got.

• http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XYD4MZNHJVHS6VN5XSM63QC3CM Bonny

  I am so happy that Governor LePage got elected and that I helped get him there. He is not a professional politician like we have been hampered with in the past. He has started some real progress in getting Maine on the right track and once again “open for business.” I expect next year to be even better in his thoughtful and sincere guidance of all Mainers. Every time I hear him speak it sends a tingle down my leg.

• Anonymous

  You knew I wold have to respond didn’t you. …………. re 1937.    ;-)
  From an earlier post of mine copies across.

  For every economist that agrees with you there is another that doesn’t.

  The economy started to slow in 1937  not because of a cut in federal spending but instead for the following four reasons.

  1)
  Increased taxes. including the January 1937 initiation of the Social
  Security taxes removed money from the  wallets of average Americans and
  prevented them from using that money to buys goods and services.

  2)
  The Fed doubled reserve requirements on banks, seeking to make them
  less vulnerable to failure. The effect of this was to make banks nervous
  and so they voluntarily amassed more, taking it out of circulation.
  (sounds a lot like what corporations and banks are doing now doesn’t
  it.   Re:finreg)

  3) Labor. The closed union shop came into being
  and the CIO led strikes that doubled the national number of strike days
  from 14 million in 1936 to 28 million in 1937. In addition to the lost
  productivity this caused wage inflation and as a result fewer people
  were hired. Even as unionization increased, nonfarm unemployment did as
  well.

  4) Roosevelt won the election of 1936 so overwhelmingly
  that business small and large feared what he might do to them. A quote
  from the era  Roosevelt told the nation he sought in government “an
  instrument of unimagined power.” Saying something like that in time when
  Hitler was threatening Europe, Japan was killing millions in China and
  the Soviet Union had already exposed itself by murdering millions was
  pretty scary stuff in the context of the times. Remember this came in
  the middle of FDR’s Court packing scheme to intimidate the Supreme
  Court.

         Roosevelt was regularly calling utilities owners
  and operators to the White House accusing them of slowing down
  development…. Even to the point he got a letter from one of the lefts
  economic darlings of the time.

       To whit: ……. it was all right to nationalize utilities or to leave them alone — but
  what was “the object of chasing the utilities around the
  lot every other week?””   ~~~~ John Maynard Keynes

• Anonymous

  Take a walk through the killing fields with me next time I travel. You will see what “Economic Justice” wrought.

• http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

  Donald: Nice pitch. Right down the middle. STRIKE ONE on old A.M.
  Cheryl: Another fast ball on the corner. STRIKE two on old A.M.
  Mac: Nasty curve, swing and a big miss. STRIKE THREE on old A.M.  Now he’s arguing with the ump.

• http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

  “Economic” justice refers to justice “distribution”  such as the recent case where a CEO got three years for stealing 300 million dollars and a homeless man got thirty years for stealing 100 from a bank. He even returned it the next day. The CEO had to be caught.

• Anonymous

  You
  may not be able to accept this but my opinions are mine, not the tea party, not
  Rush Limbaugh, not Glenn Beck, and not Fox News. My opinions have been formed
  over 50+ years of observing our society and the world, watching and noting what seems
  to work as planned and seeing what has failed.

   

  Every
  time that most, if not all, forms of government are tried they collapse, or
  evolve into some form of “capitalism”. Capitalism is not a “good” form of
  government, just look at what happens when it is left to run unchecked. But it seems to always rear its ugly head.

   

  The economies cyclically
  have boom and bust periods, and people are hurt financially. This is regrettable,
  but probably cannot be stopped.

  I have come to believe that like fire, both government and capitalism are good when controlled and terrible when out of control. Right now we are not controling either.

• 525_44

  Ms. Cyrus, I agree! I have practiced yoga for most of my life; at my age I still have flexibility and balance due to it. It is great for the body and keeps me active.
  I use the chiropractor to fix what hurts over the regular MD who just wants to prescribe a pain killer when I’m in pain due to the job. The chiropractor can fix my back and shoulders better than a Vicodin.

  Ms. Lovely, sometimes it’s simply the new boss being like the old boss and many tigers can’t change their stripes no matter what or who.

  Mr. Herrling, the answer to you last question is a resounding NO!
  This governor does not care about anyone who doesn’t like him and that is a majority of the poor in this state, and currently some of those who voted for him are regretting their decision. It’s a matter of time and how much ‘damage’ this governor and his sheep will create for the citizens of Maine, it doesn’t look very comforting right now.

  Mr. Flagg, why don’t you figure it out!

• 525_44

  Ms. Cyrus, I agree! I have practiced yoga for most of my life; at my age I still have flexibility and balance due to it. It is great for the body and keeps me active.
  I use the chiropractor to fix what hurts over the regular MD who just wants to prescribe a pain killer when I’m in pain due to the job. The chiropractor can fix my back and shoulders better than a Vicodin.

  Ms. Lovely, sometimes it’s simply the new boss being like the old boss and many tigers can’t change their stripes no matter what or who.

  Mr. Herrling, the answer to you last question is a resounding NO!
  This governor does not care about anyone who doesn’t like him and that is a majority of the poor in this state, and currently some of those who voted for him are regretting their decision. It’s a matter of time and how much ‘damage’ this governor and his sheep will create for the citizens of Maine, it doesn’t look very comforting right now.

  Mr. Flagg, why don’t you figure it out!

• 525_44

  Ms. Cyrus, I agree! I have practiced yoga for most of my life; at my age I still have flexibility and balance due to it. It is great for the body and keeps me active.
  I use the chiropractor to fix what hurts over the regular MD who just wants to prescribe a pain killer when I’m in pain due to the job. The chiropractor can fix my back and shoulders better than a Vicodin.

  Ms. Lovely, sometimes it’s simply the new boss being like the old boss and many tigers can’t change their stripes no matter what or who.

  Mr. Herrling, the answer to you last question is a resounding NO!
  This governor does not care about anyone who doesn’t like him and that is a majority of the poor in this state, and currently some of those who voted for him are regretting their decision. It’s a matter of time and how much ‘damage’ this governor and his sheep will create for the citizens of Maine, it doesn’t look very comforting right now.

  Mr. Flagg, why don’t you figure it out!

• 525_44

  Ms. Cyrus, I agree! I have practiced yoga for most of my life; at my age I still have flexibility and balance due to it. It is great for the body and keeps me active.
  I use the chiropractor to fix what hurts over the regular MD who just wants to prescribe a pain killer when I’m in pain due to the job. The chiropractor can fix my back and shoulders better than a Vicodin.

  Ms. Lovely, sometimes it’s simply the new boss being like the old boss and many tigers can’t change their stripes no matter what or who.

  Mr. Herrling, the answer to you last question is a resounding NO!
  This governor does not care about anyone who doesn’t like him and that is a majority of the poor in this state, and currently some of those who voted for him are regretting their decision. It’s a matter of time and how much ‘damage’ this governor and his sheep will create for the citizens of Maine, it doesn’t look very comforting right now.

  Mr. Flagg, why don’t you figure it out!

• Anonymous

  They also conveniently forget the depression of 1920 – 1921.  That was effectively over by 1923.  During this period US government spending was cut by over 40% and tax rates were reduced.

• Anonymous

  They also conveniently forget the depression of 1920 – 1921.  That was effectively over by 1923.  During this period US government spending was cut by over 40% and tax rates were reduced.

• Anonymous

  They also conveniently forget the depression of 1920 – 1921.  That was effectively over by 1923.  During this period US government spending was cut by over 40% and tax rates were reduced.

• Anonymous

  They also conveniently forget the depression of 1920 – 1921.  That was effectively over by 1923.  During this period US government spending was cut by over 40% and tax rates were reduced.

• Anonymous

  They also conveniently forget the depression of 1920 – 1921.  That was effectively over by 1923.  During this period US government spending was cut by over 40% and tax rates were reduced.

• Anonymous

  They also conveniently forget the depression of 1920 – 1921.  That was effectively over by 1923.  During this period US government spending was cut by over 40% and tax rates were reduced.

• Anonymous

  They also conveniently forget the depression of 1920 – 1921.  That was effectively over by 1923.  During this period US government spending was cut by over 40% and tax rates were reduced.

• Anonymous

  They also conveniently forget the depression of 1920 – 1921.  That was effectively over by 1923.  During this period US government spending was cut by over 40% and tax rates were reduced.

• Anonymous

  They also conveniently forget the depression of 1920 – 1921.  That was effectively over by 1923.  During this period US government spending was cut by over 40% and tax rates were reduced.

• Anonymous

  They also conveniently forget the depression of 1920 – 1921.  That was effectively over by 1923.  During this period US government spending was cut by over 40% and tax rates were reduced.

• http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

  No we are seeing how well Mr. Reagan’s failed voodoo economics did not work. His pals in the top one percent have increased mightily since the eighties and the rest of us have flatlined the entire time.

• http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

  No we are seeing how well Mr. Reagan’s failed voodoo economics did not work. His pals in the top one percent have increased mightily since the eighties and the rest of us have flatlined the entire time.

• http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

  No we are seeing how well Mr. Reagan’s failed voodoo economics did not work. His pals in the top one percent have increased mightily since the eighties and the rest of us have flatlined the entire time.

• http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

  No we are seeing how well Mr. Reagan’s failed voodoo economics did not work. His pals in the top one percent have increased mightily since the eighties and the rest of us have flatlined the entire time.

• http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

  No we are seeing how well Mr. Reagan’s failed voodoo economics did not work. His pals in the top one percent have increased mightily since the eighties and the rest of us have flatlined the entire time.

• Anonymous

  There are people alive that lived through the depression.  Let’s ask them how long it lasted for their families.

• Anonymous

  There are people alive that lived through the depression.  Let’s ask them how long it lasted for their families.

• Anonymous

  There are people alive that lived through the depression.  Let’s ask them how long it lasted for their families.

• Anonymous

  There are people alive that lived through the depression.  Let’s ask them how long it lasted for their families.

• Anonymous

  There are people alive that lived through the depression.  Let’s ask them how long it lasted for their families.

• Anonymous

  There are people alive that lived through the depression.  Let’s ask them how long it lasted for their families.

• Anonymous

  I believe I’ll take the word  ’happy’ and redefine it to mean  ”criminal”.   Then I shall walk down the street in my big leather boots arresting  all  that smile because, by my definition,  they have participated in criminal acts.

• Anonymous

  I don’t dispute the notion of the longevity of the Depression. I do (as do many economists) dispute the notion that it lasted longer because of reduced government spending.

• Anonymous

  You can track the decline of the middle class to the mid-60′s. About the time of the “Great Society” . Related? I don’t know… but that is where the income disparity started.  It accelerated during the nineties when People like Gates and Allen and other tech heavies started accumulating their wealth.

• Anonymous

  Hey,  It wasn’t me that called what happened in Cambodia Social Justice and Economic Justice. The man that named it was Pol Pot.

  If anyone is out redefining the term its the left.

• Anonymous

  But Why stop there. Remember the “Great Leap Forward”? That was done in the name of economic Justice. 30 million Chinese dead.

• Anonymous

  But Why stop there. Remember the “Great Leap Forward”? That was done in the name of economic Justice. 30 million Chinese dead.

• Anonymous

  That is just justice, the CEO should have spent more time behind bars, pay restitution, and loss of all property. I assume that he did not pay taxes on what he stole, was he prosecuted for tax evasion? Somehow I doubt it.

  As I remember the story of the homeless man, he robbed the bank to get thrown in jail. He felt that he would be better off in jail where he would have food, shelter, and medical service.

  This says something our society, and our justice system. How to fix this, I do not know. But I am sure that until the voters of this country take control back from the professional politicians. And More of what we have gotten in the past does not work.

• Anonymous

  That is just justice, the CEO should have spent more time behind bars, pay restitution, and loss of all property. I assume that he did not pay taxes on what he stole, was he prosecuted for tax evasion? Somehow I doubt it.

  As I remember the story of the homeless man, he robbed the bank to get thrown in jail. He felt that he would be better off in jail where he would have food, shelter, and medical service.

  This says something our society, and our justice system. How to fix this, I do not know. But I am sure that until the voters of this country take control back from the professional politicians. And More of what we have gotten in the past does not work.

• Anonymous

  Cheryl Lovely, Ellen Richards, Mac Hewling:  good letters.

• Anonymous

  Cheryl Lovely, Ellen Richards, Mac Hewling:  good letters.

• Anonymous

  Cheryl Lovely, Ellen Richards, Mac Hewling:  good letters.

• Anonymous

  Cheryl Lovely, Ellen Richards, Mac Hewling:  good letters.

• Anonymous

  Today’s Joe McCarthy rides again …

• Anonymous

  Today’s Joe McCarthy rides again …

• Anonymous

  Today’s Joe McCarthy rides again …

• Anonymous

  Today’s Joe McCarthy rides again …

• Anonymous

  Today’s Joe McCarthy rides again …

• Anonymous

  Today’s Joe McCarthy rides again …

• Anonymous

  Today’s Joe McCarthy rides again …

• Anonymous

  Today’s Joe McCarthy rides again …

• Anonymous

  Today’s Joe McCarthy rides again …

• Anonymous

  Today’s Joe McCarthy rides again …

• Anonymous

  Today’s Joe McCarthy rides again …

• Anonymous

  Today’s Joe McCarthy rides again …

• Anonymous

  Exactly right.

• Anonymous

  No, my statement was my opinion; but it is not necessrrily right, correct or fact. I can support my opinion with facts, but it is still opinion.

  I am glad that you agree with me on this issue anyway. Thank you.

• Anonymous

  I hope you Right Wing Bullies are being nice ot the lefties today…..
  Douglas M. Flagg you hit the nail on the head…
  You cant  believe anything in Pats articles Mr. Flagg…..

• Anonymous

  I am really sick of the tone of your posts. Everyone who does not abjectly worship the so-called “free market” is not a socialist, elitist, commie, or whacko. Grow up.

• Anonymous

  I am really sick of the tone of your posts. Everyone who does not abjectly worship the so-called “free market” is not a socialist, elitist, commie, or whacko. Grow up.

• Anonymous

  I really hate to say that in my opinion you are not really correct about the decline of the middle class as starting in the 60s. I think that it started much earlier. Certainly the income disparity did not start there.

  At the turn of the 20th century the income disparity was far worse. The wealthy were just far fewer and the middle class had not really gotten too much more well to do than the poor. Technology has slowly allowed a more robust middle class to form, probably for the first time in human history.

  That being said I do believe that the ultra rich have progressivly take  more control of the government and gotten the people of the country to acecpt more and more government control over our lives since the mid or late 1800′s. Our society is finally ending its groth and are on the brink of collapse.

  I hope that the voters will stop it before it is too late.

• Anonymous

  I really hate to say that in my opinion you are not really correct about the decline of the middle class as starting in the 60s. I think that it started much earlier. Certainly the income disparity did not start there.

  At the turn of the 20th century the income disparity was far worse. The wealthy were just far fewer and the middle class had not really gotten too much more well to do than the poor. Technology has slowly allowed a more robust middle class to form, probably for the first time in human history.

  That being said I do believe that the ultra rich have progressivly take  more control of the government and gotten the people of the country to acecpt more and more government control over our lives since the mid or late 1800′s. Our society is finally ending its groth and are on the brink of collapse.

  I hope that the voters will stop it before it is too late.

• Anonymous

  I really hate to say that in my opinion you are not really correct about the decline of the middle class as starting in the 60s. I think that it started much earlier. Certainly the income disparity did not start there.

  At the turn of the 20th century the income disparity was far worse. The wealthy were just far fewer and the middle class had not really gotten too much more well to do than the poor. Technology has slowly allowed a more robust middle class to form, probably for the first time in human history.

  That being said I do believe that the ultra rich have progressivly take  more control of the government and gotten the people of the country to acecpt more and more government control over our lives since the mid or late 1800′s. Our society is finally ending its groth and are on the brink of collapse.

  I hope that the voters will stop it before it is too late.

• Anonymous

  I really hate to say that in my opinion you are not really correct about the decline of the middle class as starting in the 60s. I think that it started much earlier. Certainly the income disparity did not start there.

  At the turn of the 20th century the income disparity was far worse. The wealthy were just far fewer and the middle class had not really gotten too much more well to do than the poor. Technology has slowly allowed a more robust middle class to form, probably for the first time in human history.

  That being said I do believe that the ultra rich have progressivly take  more control of the government and gotten the people of the country to acecpt more and more government control over our lives since the mid or late 1800′s. Our society is finally ending its groth and are on the brink of collapse.

  I hope that the voters will stop it before it is too late.

• Anonymous

  I really hate to say that in my opinion you are not really correct about the decline of the middle class as starting in the 60s. I think that it started much earlier. Certainly the income disparity did not start there.

  At the turn of the 20th century the income disparity was far worse. The wealthy were just far fewer and the middle class had not really gotten too much more well to do than the poor. Technology has slowly allowed a more robust middle class to form, probably for the first time in human history.

  That being said I do believe that the ultra rich have progressivly take  more control of the government and gotten the people of the country to acecpt more and more government control over our lives since the mid or late 1800′s. Our society is finally ending its groth and are on the brink of collapse.

  I hope that the voters will stop it before it is too late.

• Anonymous

  I really hate to say that in my opinion you are not really correct about the decline of the middle class as starting in the 60s. I think that it started much earlier. Certainly the income disparity did not start there.

  At the turn of the 20th century the income disparity was far worse. The wealthy were just far fewer and the middle class had not really gotten too much more well to do than the poor. Technology has slowly allowed a more robust middle class to form, probably for the first time in human history.

  That being said I do believe that the ultra rich have progressivly take  more control of the government and gotten the people of the country to acecpt more and more government control over our lives since the mid or late 1800′s. Our society is finally ending its groth and are on the brink of collapse.

  I hope that the voters will stop it before it is too late.

• Anonymous

  Ellen – it’s amazing what the Bangor Police Department does for the area.  And it also depends on the way we as citizens address them when it comes to problems.  If you bring an issue to them professionally and accurately, and in a calm nature, give examples and yes, maybe a solution or two to the issue, they will listen and act.  I almost got run over in a cross walk a couple of times on Union Street.  I called them and gave them the exact information, asking if someone would be able to sit by the crosswalk sometime and watch.  Theree days later, there was a patrol car there for a few hours.  There was an issue on Ohio Street with cars going in the wrong direction to get to the turn signal at the Griffin intersection.  A few days later, they were there to check it out.  If you present your information professionally, you in turn will have them take your information professionally.  They do care.

• Anonymous

  Ellen – it’s amazing what the Bangor Police Department does for the area.  And it also depends on the way we as citizens address them when it comes to problems.  If you bring an issue to them professionally and accurately, and in a calm nature, give examples and yes, maybe a solution or two to the issue, they will listen and act.  I almost got run over in a cross walk a couple of times on Union Street.  I called them and gave them the exact information, asking if someone would be able to sit by the crosswalk sometime and watch.  Theree days later, there was a patrol car there for a few hours.  There was an issue on Ohio Street with cars going in the wrong direction to get to the turn signal at the Griffin intersection.  A few days later, they were there to check it out.  If you present your information professionally, you in turn will have them take your information professionally.  They do care.

• Anonymous

  Ellen – it’s amazing what the Bangor Police Department does for the area.  And it also depends on the way we as citizens address them when it comes to problems.  If you bring an issue to them professionally and accurately, and in a calm nature, give examples and yes, maybe a solution or two to the issue, they will listen and act.  I almost got run over in a cross walk a couple of times on Union Street.  I called them and gave them the exact information, asking if someone would be able to sit by the crosswalk sometime and watch.  Theree days later, there was a patrol car there for a few hours.  There was an issue on Ohio Street with cars going in the wrong direction to get to the turn signal at the Griffin intersection.  A few days later, they were there to check it out.  If you present your information professionally, you in turn will have them take your information professionally.  They do care.

• Anonymous

  Ellen – it’s amazing what the Bangor Police Department does for the area.  And it also depends on the way we as citizens address them when it comes to problems.  If you bring an issue to them professionally and accurately, and in a calm nature, give examples and yes, maybe a solution or two to the issue, they will listen and act.  I almost got run over in a cross walk a couple of times on Union Street.  I called them and gave them the exact information, asking if someone would be able to sit by the crosswalk sometime and watch.  Theree days later, there was a patrol car there for a few hours.  There was an issue on Ohio Street with cars going in the wrong direction to get to the turn signal at the Griffin intersection.  A few days later, they were there to check it out.  If you present your information professionally, you in turn will have them take your information professionally.  They do care.

• Anonymous

  Levi Bridges rocks. Nice to read a young person writing something positive. We’re blessed to live in Maine, and Bridges deserves praise for reminding us of it.

• Anonymous

  Levi Bridges rocks. Nice to read a young person writing something positive. We’re blessed to live in Maine, and Bridges deserves praise for reminding us of it.

• Anonymous

  Levi Bridges rocks. Nice to read a young person writing something positive. We’re blessed to live in Maine, and Bridges deserves praise for reminding us of it.

• Anonymous

  Levi Bridges rocks. Nice to read a young person writing something positive. We’re blessed to live in Maine, and Bridges deserves praise for reminding us of it.

• Anonymous

  Levi Bridges rocks. Nice to read a young person writing something positive. We’re blessed to live in Maine, and Bridges deserves praise for reminding us of it.

• Anonymous

  Levi Bridges rocks. Nice to read a young person writing something positive. We’re blessed to live in Maine, and Bridges deserves praise for reminding us of it.

• Anonymous

  I
  believe that the economy of this country is so robust that it has survived
  decades of abuse by the government, predominantly the Federal government. I
  believe the fall started with Theodore Roosevelt, not that he was the first
  President to abuse the economy. I would suspect that every President has, in
  one way or another, abused the economy.

   

  I
  believe that T. Roosevelt really started the problem when he convinced the
  voters that it was OK for the Federal government to own land as Parks, the
  stated intent was laudable, but there is a saying that I do not know where it
  started, “the road to Hell is paved with good intentions”. Whether you
  personally believe in hell is not the issue the meaning is still appropriate.

   

  Since
  that time we have been involved with two world wars, had more than a dozen
  economic down turns, and have developed an out of control government. I personally
  believe this was planned by someone. FDR once said “in politics nothing is
  accidental. If something happens, be assured it was planned this way.” I
  can not find out where, when or why it was said, but is one of these few things
  that he said that I wholeheartedly agree with.

   

  So who and when was
  this outcome planned?

• Anonymous

  I
  believe that the economy of this country is so robust that it has survived
  decades of abuse by the government, predominantly the Federal government. I
  believe the fall started with Theodore Roosevelt, not that he was the first
  President to abuse the economy. I would suspect that every President has, in
  one way or another, abused the economy.

   

  I
  believe that T. Roosevelt really started the problem when he convinced the
  voters that it was OK for the Federal government to own land as Parks, the
  stated intent was laudable, but there is a saying that I do not know where it
  started, “the road to Hell is paved with good intentions”. Whether you
  personally believe in hell is not the issue the meaning is still appropriate.

   

  Since
  that time we have been involved with two world wars, had more than a dozen
  economic down turns, and have developed an out of control government. I personally
  believe this was planned by someone. FDR once said “in politics nothing is
  accidental. If something happens, be assured it was planned this way.” I
  can not find out where, when or why it was said, but is one of these few things
  that he said that I wholeheartedly agree with.

   

  So who and when was
  this outcome planned?

• Anonymous

  I based my statement on an article I read last week (but did not save) and a quick google of a chart available on wiki.

• Anonymous

  I based my statement on an article I read last week (but did not save) and a quick google of a chart available on wiki.

• Anonymous

  I based my statement on an article I read last week (but did not save) and a quick google of a chart available on wiki.

• Anonymous

  I based my statement on an article I read last week (but did not save) and a quick google of a chart available on wiki.

• Anonymous

  I based my statement on an article I read last week (but did not save) and a quick google of a chart available on wiki.

• Anonymous

  I based my statement on an article I read last week (but did not save) and a quick google of a chart available on wiki.

• Anonymous

  You are free to not read them.

• Anonymous

  Cheesecake, I mentioned the increase in taxes, and I also mentioned the Fed tightening the money supply — so when you disagree with me by repeating two of my points, you aren’t really disagreeing. 
  But consider this — the Depression started in ’29.  The Republicans cut spending.  The Depression got worse.  FDR took office in 1933 and increased spending.  The economy improved.  In 1935-36 we increased taxes, tightened the money supply, and cut spending.  A new recession hit in ’37 — the word “recession” was coined for this very event.  During World War II we increased spending tremendously, stimulating the economy, and the Depression came to an end.  Could there be a relationship? 

• Anonymous

  Cheesecake, I mentioned the increase in taxes, and I also mentioned the Fed tightening the money supply — so when you disagree with me by repeating two of my points, you aren’t really disagreeing. 
  But consider this — the Depression started in ’29.  The Republicans cut spending.  The Depression got worse.  FDR took office in 1933 and increased spending.  The economy improved.  In 1935-36 we increased taxes, tightened the money supply, and cut spending.  A new recession hit in ’37 — the word “recession” was coined for this very event.  During World War II we increased spending tremendously, stimulating the economy, and the Depression came to an end.  Could there be a relationship? 

• Anonymous

  Apparently, BS is also a synonym for totalitarianism…

• Anonymous

  Apparently, BS is also a synonym for totalitarianism…

• http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

  Larry I think it’s rather common knowledge that justice is far too often bought and sold. 

• http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

  Larry I think it’s rather common knowledge that justice is far too often bought and sold. 

• Anonymous

  Read “The Forgotten Man” by Amity Schlaes – the story of the Great Depression is apparently not what we were led to believe by the party in power for four terms. 

  “When there’s a person, there’s a problem. When there’s no person, there’s no problem.”
  Joseph Stalin 

• Anonymous

  I’m with you, Hank.  Howbri has been very naughty and should be made to ride a bike to work and to support light-rail. 

• Anonymous

  I’m with you, Hank.  Howbri has been very naughty and should be made to ride a bike to work and to support light-rail. 

• Anonymous

  I’m with you, Hank.  Howbri has been very naughty and should be made to ride a bike to work and to support light-rail. 

• Anonymous

  I’m with you, Hank.  Howbri has been very naughty and should be made to ride a bike to work and to support light-rail. 

• Anonymous

  We need to fix that when control of the government is taken back from the special interests

• Anonymous

  I have been predicting this for more than 20 years, and kept watch on it.

  It is too bad that during five moves most of what I had collected has gotten lost. A lot of it came from the late 70′s and 80′s and many of the sources no longer exist. 

• Anonymous

                     I am happy to see that we are in agreement on two of those points. Modern pseudo-Keynsians generally point to the 1937 turn down as evidence that reduced government spending caused the slowdown.  I think not enough focus has been put on the events of 1936-37 that set up that particular recession. I think its is fairly evident that WW2 brought us out of it. But not only government spending did that but business borrowed and spent as well.
                      I have mentioned it before but in 1937 we did not have the structural deficits that we have now and that is the difference between now and then. Keynes wanted deficits to be cyclical and temporary and not the massive unfunded debt we have now. (A unfunded debt liability so large that if you sold every asset of every man woman and child & corporation in the country there still would not be enough money to pay it off.)

                     Allan Meltzer of Carnegie Mellon says Keynes didn’t favor the consumption based sorts of stimulus spending we have now saying…. ”
  “Keynes didn’t favor at any time that I know spending to increase
  consumption. He didn’t want that, and in fact he believed that was taken
  care of by the marketplace.
  Keynes wanted to increase employment
  by smoothing the amount of investment through the up and down parts of
  the business cycle. He knew that recessions cause a decline in
  investment, and that the fall in investment caused unemployment to rise.
  So he wanted the government to stabilize investment through a
  recession.” 

                     Kind of funny that stimulus of other eras Carter Clinton was aimed in a targeted way at stimulating business investment  (supply side economics) What passes for stimulus now amounts to giving the states money to pay their debts, new teachers programs, autoworkers jobs, social service agencies funding to continue their work  and green energy tax credits for companies like GE. (who end up paying no taxes as a result.) According to Meltzer Keynes would be “rolling over in his grave”.

                      Some of those projects may well have been worthwhile on their own merits ….. but they were in no way stimulative. Continuing down the same road not only won’t give you the results you hope for but will exacerbate the problem.

• Anonymous

                     I am happy to see that we are in agreement on two of those points. Modern pseudo-Keynsians generally point to the 1937 turn down as evidence that reduced government spending caused the slowdown.  I think not enough focus has been put on the events of 1936-37 that set up that particular recession. I think its is fairly evident that WW2 brought us out of it. But not only government spending did that but business borrowed and spent as well.
                      I have mentioned it before but in 1937 we did not have the structural deficits that we have now and that is the difference between now and then. Keynes wanted deficits to be cyclical and temporary and not the massive unfunded debt we have now. (A unfunded debt liability so large that if you sold every asset of every man woman and child & corporation in the country there still would not be enough money to pay it off.)

                     Allan Meltzer of Carnegie Mellon says Keynes didn’t favor the consumption based sorts of stimulus spending we have now saying…. ”
  “Keynes didn’t favor at any time that I know spending to increase
  consumption. He didn’t want that, and in fact he believed that was taken
  care of by the marketplace.
  Keynes wanted to increase employment
  by smoothing the amount of investment through the up and down parts of
  the business cycle. He knew that recessions cause a decline in
  investment, and that the fall in investment caused unemployment to rise.
  So he wanted the government to stabilize investment through a
  recession.” 

                     Kind of funny that stimulus of other eras Carter Clinton was aimed in a targeted way at stimulating business investment  (supply side economics) What passes for stimulus now amounts to giving the states money to pay their debts, new teachers programs, autoworkers jobs, social service agencies funding to continue their work  and green energy tax credits for companies like GE. (who end up paying no taxes as a result.) According to Meltzer Keynes would be “rolling over in his grave”.

                      Some of those projects may well have been worthwhile on their own merits ….. but they were in no way stimulative. Continuing down the same road not only won’t give you the results you hope for but will exacerbate the problem.

• Anonymous

  Now you’re comparing “the left” to Pol Pot.  Unbelievable.

• Anonymous

  Now you’re comparing “the left” to Pol Pot.  Unbelievable.

• Anonymous

              The language you use identifies you.
              The term “Economic Justice” has been used to justify some of the most heinous crimes against humanity in the 20th century.
              Be judicious in its use.

• Anonymous

  Next he will be calling him a bully.

• Anonymous

  Next he will be calling him a bully.

• Anonymous

  I certainly won’t be using it to justify heinous crimes.  How about you not use heinous crimes to negate it.  Hitler called Fascism Socialism.  Saying a horse has five legs doesn’t make it so.  You’ve been to Cambodia, we get it.

• Anonymous

  I certainly won’t be using it to justify heinous crimes.  How about you not use heinous crimes to negate it.  Hitler called Fascism Socialism.  Saying a horse has five legs doesn’t make it so.  You’ve been to Cambodia, we get it.

• Anonymous

  It is what it is.  The  term “Economic Justice” conjures up some pretty negative images for millions of people. It is the not the nice soft fluffy word you think it is.

• Anonymous

  The Iraq War, done in the name of “weapons of mass destruction.”  More than 111,000 innocent Iraqi civilians dead.

• Anonymous

  Actually I believe there are too many elected in DC whose agenda has been nothing but obstruction of anything the other side of the isle may propose. I think most of the voters are more concerned with the job situation in this country than they are as to who is running things. The simple fact is that in the middle of all this partisanship the country is going down the tubes.

• Anonymous

  Always good to hear from you.

• Anonymous

  I am not sure why the deaths you mention justfy others but… whatever.

  My entire point is/has been….
  “Economic Justice” is the justification for stealing from one group of people and handing it to another.”

• Anonymous

  You wrote,”why the deaths you mention justify others.”  You are implying that I wrote those words in an attempt to justify war crimes and genocide?  There is something seriously wrong with your reading comprehension skills.

• Anonymous

  If you are somehow trying to make a comparison between FDR, the man who saved American capitalism, and Josef Stalin, you are way off base.  A real Communist, William Z. Foster, ran against FDR (getting over 100,000 votes in 1932) as did a Socialist, Norman Thomas (who got well over 800,000 votes in ’32).  Wendell Willkie, one of the Republicans who ran against Roosevelt (election of 1940) was perhaps even more liberal than FDR.  FDR did much to save our democratic-republican principles and our capitalist economic system.

• Anonymous

  If you are somehow trying to make a comparison between FDR, the man who saved American capitalism, and Josef Stalin, you are way off base.  A real Communist, William Z. Foster, ran against FDR (getting over 100,000 votes in 1932) as did a Socialist, Norman Thomas (who got well over 800,000 votes in ’32).  Wendell Willkie, one of the Republicans who ran against Roosevelt (election of 1940) was perhaps even more liberal than FDR.  FDR did much to save our democratic-republican principles and our capitalist economic system.

• Anonymous

  If you are somehow trying to make a comparison between FDR, the man who saved American capitalism, and Josef Stalin, you are way off base.  A real Communist, William Z. Foster, ran against FDR (getting over 100,000 votes in 1932) as did a Socialist, Norman Thomas (who got well over 800,000 votes in ’32).  Wendell Willkie, one of the Republicans who ran against Roosevelt (election of 1940) was perhaps even more liberal than FDR.  FDR did much to save our democratic-republican principles and our capitalist economic system.

• Anonymous

  If you are somehow trying to make a comparison between FDR, the man who saved American capitalism, and Josef Stalin, you are way off base.  A real Communist, William Z. Foster, ran against FDR (getting over 100,000 votes in 1932) as did a Socialist, Norman Thomas (who got well over 800,000 votes in ’32).  Wendell Willkie, one of the Republicans who ran against Roosevelt (election of 1940) was perhaps even more liberal than FDR.  FDR did much to save our democratic-republican principles and our capitalist economic system.

• Anonymous

  It could well be because you don’t make yourself clear.  It appears you are trying to make some connection between one lie and another that results in murder perhaps???  There was certainly no claim of “Economic Justice” in Iraq. You tell me, what’s your point? I can’t guess.

• Anonymous

  Try harder.

• Anonymous

  Try harder.

• Anonymous

  Try harder.

• Anonymous

  No, it was you who called Economic Justice Totalitarianism. “The language you use defines you.”

• Anonymous

  No, it was you who called Economic Justice Totalitarianism. “The language you use defines you.”

• Anonymous

  No, it was you who called Economic Justice Totalitarianism. “The language you use defines you.”