Any Maine boat builders out there? Bangor council asks

Posted July 07, 2011, at 6:47 p.m.
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BANGOR, Maine — City councilors asked staff this week to go back to the drawing board to see if a Maine-based company can be found to build a specialized boat for the Bangor Fire Department.

In one of the closest and most contentious votes in the last several months, the Council voted 5-4 at a special meeting Wednesday to reconsider last week’s vote that approved the purchase of a boat from a Seattle-based builder.

Although last week’s vote was 8-1, the lone dissenter, Councilor Geoff Gratwick, persuaded Council Chairwoman Susan Hawes to have the vote reconsidered.

This time around, Charles Longo, Gerry Palmer, Nelson Durgin and Rick Bronson joined Gratwick in voting to start the process over.

Gratwick said he had no problem with the council selecting Northwind Marine of Seattle to build an estimated $185,000 boat, but he wanted to make sure the city exhausted all local options first. In a trade such as boat-building, in which Maine excels, Gratwick said it’s a slap in the face for the city not to reach out to at least a few firms.

Bronson joked Wednesday that a company such as Bath Iron Works is probably too big and Old Town Canoe too small to craft such a boat.

“But there is probably something in between,” he said before voting to reconsider last week’s decision.

Councilor Pat Blanchette said the council was setting a dangerous precedent in voting to reconsider.

“We made a decision. Why do we need to flip-flop?” she asked.

Members of the council’s finance committee will discuss the purchase at their next meeting.

Whether a Maine builder can be found remains to be seen. Fire Chief Jeffrey Cammack said Wednesday that the 25-foot boat sought by his department is extremely specialized.

“I’m unaware of anyone [in Maine] that can give us an off-the-shelf design of what we need,” the chief said.

The aluminum-hulled vessel, which will be bought with federal homeland security grant funds, will help firefighters with calls in either the Kenduskeag Stream or the Penobscot River. The boat will be outfitted with fire suppression and high-tech navigation equipment and also would be used for water rescues.

When the department began looking for options, the purchase did not go out to bid, something that typically happens with large municipal purchases.

Instead, Cammack said his staff relied on vendors that were approved by the General Services Administration, an independent agency of the U.S. government that supports various federal agencies.

Of the three quotes that were considered, two companies were based in Washington state and the other was from Arkansas.

Councilor Cary Weston and others wondered Wednesday why in-state firms were not more aggressive in seeking business from the federal government.

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  • AionNV

    Just give the money back, you don’t need this boat anyway !

  • AionNV

    Just give the money back, you don’t need this boat anyway !

  • Anonymous

    What do they need a boat for anyway?  serious question.

  • Anonymous

    Not being a resident of Bangor, I have very little interest in the actions taken by their city council.  There is, however, something profoundly inconsiderate and wrong with soliciting bids from boat builders all over the nation when they are unwilling to accept them.  What a waste of time for those businesses.

  • Anonymous

    Not being a resident of Bangor, I have very little interest in the actions taken by their city council.  There is, however, something profoundly inconsiderate and wrong with soliciting bids from boat builders all over the nation when they are unwilling to accept them.  What a waste of time for those businesses.

  • Anonymous

    Not being a resident of Bangor, I have very little interest in the actions taken by their city council.  There is, however, something profoundly inconsiderate and wrong with soliciting bids from boat builders all over the nation when they are unwilling to accept them.  What a waste of time for those businesses.

  • Anonymous

    Nothing like watching government waste right in front of your eyes….First 45 million for a border crossing  in a town of 2,000 now we need  ”high-tech navigation equipment” to get around the Penobscot for all those fires we have along the waterfront.

  • Anonymous

    the state of maine dept of purchases buys most of their items out of state! with your tax dollars

  • Anonymous

    Buy a boat constructed in  Florida , Louisiana,  Texas or anywhere on the Gulf coast and save 200%.  It’ll be a better boat too.   SEA ARC,  makes awesome anodized aluminum work boats made with rough use in mind.  We use them for work, slamming into bridge piers, running aground and carrying heavy loads. 30 years later…they look like new and are still seaworthy.  

  • Anonymous

    Buy a boat constructed in  Florida , Louisiana,  Texas or anywhere on the Gulf coast and save 200%.  It’ll be a better boat too.   SEA ARC,  makes awesome anodized aluminum work boats made with rough use in mind.  We use them for work, slamming into bridge piers, running aground and carrying heavy loads. 30 years later…they look like new and are still seaworthy.  

  • Anonymous

    I think the boats are still made in Monticello, Arkansas….  They used to be called MON ARKS.

  • Anonymous

    I think the boats are still made in Monticello, Arkansas….  They used to be called MON ARKS.

  • Anonymous

    I think the boats are still made in Monticello, Arkansas….  They used to be called MON ARKS.

  • Anonymous

    I think the boats are still made in Monticello, Arkansas….  They used to be called MON ARKS.

  • Anonymous

    I think the boats are still made in Monticello, Arkansas….  They used to be called MON ARKS.

  • Anonymous

    I think the boats are still made in Monticello, Arkansas….  They used to be called MON ARKS.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_STFZ6H7IJFHYSUCS7SOZODY6JA Brian Stevens

    Rockport Steel can build this boat. Whether they can do it for $185K? I dont know.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_STFZ6H7IJFHYSUCS7SOZODY6JA Brian Stevens

    Rockport Steel can build this boat. Whether they can do it for $185K? I dont know.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_STFZ6H7IJFHYSUCS7SOZODY6JA Brian Stevens

    All of DMR’s larger boats are made by Maine builders

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_STFZ6H7IJFHYSUCS7SOZODY6JA Brian Stevens

    All of DMR’s larger boats are made by Maine builders

  • Anonymous

    And,  The US Army Corps of Engineers, Weeks Marine, Great Lakes Dredge and Dock, Exxon, BP,  Chump Cheese Chinese, and Cuba even…use these boats everywhere.   I don’t do heavy ocean work anymore, but I still love these tough boats.    

  • Anonymous

    Hat’s off to Gratwick for having some spine.   Hat’s down to Blanchette for the ‘flip flop comment’.  I’ve not heard that junk since W was at the helm.   Flip flop is a way of criticizing someone saying “now that I’ve had a chance to think about this a little more, I can see it from another perspective…”.  I see that kind of introspection as valuable. 

    By the way – why aren’t all you tea-drinkers whining about this town wasting $185, 000 in federal homeland security money to buy a boat that is totally unnecessary?  How many dari9ng water rescues (aside from the one involving a beaver) have we seen on the Kenduskeag in the last 500 years?

  • Anonymous

    Hat’s off to Gratwick for having some spine.   Hat’s down to Blanchette for the ‘flip flop comment’.  I’ve not heard that junk since W was at the helm.   Flip flop is a way of criticizing someone saying “now that I’ve had a chance to think about this a little more, I can see it from another perspective…”.  I see that kind of introspection as valuable. 

    By the way – why aren’t all you tea-drinkers whining about this town wasting $185, 000 in federal homeland security money to buy a boat that is totally unnecessary?  How many dari9ng water rescues (aside from the one involving a beaver) have we seen on the Kenduskeag in the last 500 years?

  • Anonymous

    “You’re gonna need a bigger boat.”

  • Anonymous

    maybe they should give the money to another country,like israel or one of those assbackwards places that have been having a free ride for like forever,and we could suffer a little longer , isnt that the american way now?

  • Anonymous

    maybe they should give the money to another country,like israel or one of those assbackwards places that have been having a free ride for like forever,and we could suffer a little longer , isnt that the american way now?

  • Anonymous

    maybe they should give the money to another country,like israel or one of those assbackwards places that have been having a free ride for like forever,and we could suffer a little longer , isnt that the american way now?

  • Anonymous

    Fire boats are very specialized pieces of equipment.

  • Anonymous

    You actually have to have a certified, licensed dealer to build any type municipal fireboat with insurance and appropriate OSHA and NFPA and other certifications backups.  Nobody can just “build the boat”.  Isn’t anyone checking in on this one…and if the former fire chief of Brewer, Bronson, now sitting on the Bangor council has any knowledge, he himself should know it takes a certified builder to make this craft.  Certainly, you are looking at at least $500,000; maybe more.  So better review what you are doing here. 

  • Anonymous

    How many people have gone for “a swim” this year alone?

    I could make a case for and against the purchase of this boat. Bangor has oil terminals, small cruise ships, etc….along the waterfront. Having said that when was the last time a major fire struck the waterfront?

    Not every piece of fire equipment is used on a daily, weekly or even monthly basis but you have it just in case. JAWS are not used daily or weekly. The “Heavy Rescue” was used this week in Brewer but when was it last used before that?

  • Anonymous

    not many aluminum boat builders in the state.plenty of fiberglass builders though. not sure if lyman morse does metal. how about the new yard in belfast?

  • Anonymous

    not many aluminum boat builders in the state.plenty of fiberglass builders though. not sure if lyman morse does metal. how about the new yard in belfast?

  • Anonymous

    not many aluminum boat builders in the state.plenty of fiberglass builders though. not sure if lyman morse does metal. how about the new yard in belfast?

  • Anonymous

    not many aluminum boat builders in the state.plenty of fiberglass builders though. not sure if lyman morse does metal. how about the new yard in belfast?

  • Anonymous

    not many aluminum boat builders in the state.plenty of fiberglass builders though. not sure if lyman morse does metal. how about the new yard in belfast?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jack-Long/1499408399 Jack Long

    No, most of them left the State of Maine a long time ago, due to the massive anti-business climate cultured by the Democrat party and their job killing, ridiculous agendas.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jack-Long/1499408399 Jack Long

    You want to see waste go look at the Federal abortion that is the Margret Chase Smith Federal bulilding renovations. They are spending $64 Million down there, it is an utter obcenity. More waste then most could comprehend. Last week some pompous arse judge decided he didn’t like the hammering going on so he  “commanded”  that the entire work force of hundreds of construction wokers switch to working nights as not to disturb his royal majesty. I’m sure none of the hundreds of kids and families that just had their routines upended becuase of this maggot, mind at all, just as long as Judge D.Bagg’s ok.
     I especially love the B.Huessien Obama billboard out front of the building,  just icing on the cake.

  • Anonymous

    Go see the Amish In Easton, Maine…… They can build anything!!!!!   They do great work… Just like a 2 or 3 story barn raising In one day!!!! They’ll build you a ship, or boat in one day!!!!!!!   I’m not poking fun at them either….. There hard workers!!!!!!!  

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Regina-Hosebeast/100002095287763 Regina Hosebeast

    What a ridiculous waste of money. Overkill is an understatement. Just the maintenance of this boat would be expensive and perpetual. The Bangor Fire Department seems to be doing an outstanding job already, with the equipment they already have.

    Can’t these funds be used for more thermal imaging cams and better traditional firefighting equipment? What’s next, a state of the art helicopter to evacuate the rooftops of our high-rises and chase drug dealers at night?

  • Anonymous

    Reminds me of something.  How’s that hover craft idea working out?  

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KJEUWEYRHIPWV3PTTWWNUZ2CTQ mcmaineacjam

    This job was put out to bid and no Maine company chose to bid on it. Does the councilor think these business owners are so inept that they are not aware of available government contracts in their industry? I would think that if any business in Maine could handle this, they would have submitted a bid. I am totally in support of using Maine businesses when available and it is not a lot more expensive, but second guessing near unanimous votes and trying to hand hold Maine businesses to prod them to bid after the deadline the rest of the country had to meet just increases costs unneccesarily. The council should stop being so wishy-washy and stand by their votes. Flip-flops are budget killers.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KJEUWEYRHIPWV3PTTWWNUZ2CTQ mcmaineacjam

    This job was put out to bid and no Maine company chose to bid on it. Does the councilor think these business owners are so inept that they are not aware of available government contracts in their industry? I would think that if any business in Maine could handle this, they would have submitted a bid. I am totally in support of using Maine businesses when available and it is not a lot more expensive, but second guessing near unanimous votes and trying to hand hold Maine businesses to prod them to bid after the deadline the rest of the country had to meet just increases costs unneccesarily. The council should stop being so wishy-washy and stand by their votes. Flip-flops are budget killers.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KJEUWEYRHIPWV3PTTWWNUZ2CTQ mcmaineacjam

    This job was put out to bid and no Maine company chose to bid on it. Does the councilor think these business owners are so inept that they are not aware of available government contracts in their industry? I would think that if any business in Maine could handle this, they would have submitted a bid. I am totally in support of using Maine businesses when available and it is not a lot more expensive, but second guessing near unanimous votes and trying to hand hold Maine businesses to prod them to bid after the deadline the rest of the country had to meet just increases costs unneccesarily. The council should stop being so wishy-washy and stand by their votes. Flip-flops are budget killers.

  • Anonymous

    Bet they will spend a bunch more in hiring some out of state consultant to look.

  • Anonymous

    Shouldn’t they also buying their police cruisers from a Maine car manufacturer.
    There were some nice “Maine Made” rides at the West Athens parade, there was even a tank.

  • Anonymous

    Shouldn’t they also buying their police cruisers from a Maine car manufacturer.
    There were some nice “Maine Made” rides at the West Athens parade, there was even a tank.

  • Anonymous

    Shouldn’t they also buying their police cruisers from a Maine car manufacturer.
    There were some nice “Maine Made” rides at the West Athens parade, there was even a tank.

  • Anonymous

    Shouldn’t they also buying their police cruisers from a Maine car manufacturer.
    There were some nice “Maine Made” rides at the West Athens parade, there was even a tank.

  • Anonymous

    Shouldn’t they also buying their police cruisers from a Maine car manufacturer.
    There were some nice “Maine Made” rides at the West Athens parade, there was even a tank.

  • Anonymous

    Shouldn’t they also buying their police cruisers from a Maine car manufacturer.
    There were some nice “Maine Made” rides at the West Athens parade, there was even a tank.

  • Anonymous

    Shouldn’t they also buying their police cruisers from a Maine car manufacturer.
    There were some nice “Maine Made” rides at the West Athens parade, there was even a tank.

  • Anonymous

    Why is Bangor receiving money from the Dept of Homeland Security for a boat?  Why did Frankfort get a fire engine from the same source?  This is yet another demonstration of  how the distribution and use of those funds is abused.  A clear case of politicians bringing home the bacon.  Meanwhile the GOP is trying to balance the budget on the backs of our poor and retired people by eliminating some funds for SS, Medicaid, and Medicare.  Jerks!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D4FKGLRL2TI7S7JHVGZWZI46VY Guido

    If you are a boat builder in Maine they want to tax you.

  • Anonymous

    Now that’s funny….

  • Anonymous

    Maybe you should learn about the grant process. The decisions are made not by politicians but by fire fighters pulled in from across the country to read, review and decide who gets what based on a number of factors including need, ability to purchase on their own, age of equipment being replaced, etc…Do I agree with all the purchases made? No, but more good has come out of this program than “pork”.

  • Anonymous

    Here, I did the google search for you…

    http://www.maineboats.com/maine-coastal-directory/Boatbuilders

  • Anonymous

    Sorry but I don’t dig on the “Huessien (sic) ” junk.  Seems racist.

  • Diogenes

    “…with calls in either the Kenduskeag Stream or the Penobscot River.”

    What?  You can throw a rope across the navigable area of the Kenduskeag, and a used lobster boat can handle the Penobscot.  This sounds like a waste of money.

  • Moose

    Bangor Fire Department will have to hire MMA Graduate to run the vessel. There is a 125k a year. Councilor’s this sounds kinda like the deal back in the 80′ City of  Bangor  had rebuiling Cascade Park with counicilor Frankel controlling the funds. All the councilor’s want control.    

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jack-Long/1499408399 Jack Long

    His middle name is racist?!?!? I didn’t name him.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jack-Long/1499408399 Jack Long

    His middle name is racist?!?!? I didn’t name him.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jack-Long/1499408399 Jack Long

    His middle name is racist?!?!? I didn’t name him.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jack-Long/1499408399 Jack Long

    His middle name is racist?!?!? I didn’t name him.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_X3BZKGKOH245BVBFMPKUFZ2EL4 David W

    I’m sorry but $185,000 for a fire/rescue boat in Bangor, Maine is a waste of tax dollars no matter what the source.   There has got to be a better way to use Homeland Security Dollars.   It’s just over kill.  How many fires, boat or other wise have we had on the Penobscot and Kenduskeag rivers?  How many rescue’s?  Can it be used when the rivers are iced up?  Buying it is one thing, the upkeep, fuel, insurance and maintainability will be paid for by local tax dollars.  Remember the last “rescue” boat we had?  It was hardly used.  Where is it now?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_X3BZKGKOH245BVBFMPKUFZ2EL4 David W

    I’m sorry but $185,000 for a fire/rescue boat in Bangor, Maine is a waste of tax dollars no matter what the source.   There has got to be a better way to use Homeland Security Dollars.   It’s just over kill.  How many fires, boat or other wise have we had on the Penobscot and Kenduskeag rivers?  How many rescue’s?  Can it be used when the rivers are iced up?  Buying it is one thing, the upkeep, fuel, insurance and maintainability will be paid for by local tax dollars.  Remember the last “rescue” boat we had?  It was hardly used.  Where is it now?

  • Larry T. Doughty

    Absolutely right Bangorian. When it comes to spending federal homeland money, no sweat. Just spend it somehow. “Over-kill” is the operative words here.

  • http://twitter.com/TheHumbleFarmer Robert Karl Skoglund

    The Amish will not be building boats.

    We read below that “most of [the Amish] left the State of Maine a long time ago, due to the massive anti-business climate cultured by the Democrat party and their job killing, ridiculous agendas.”
     
    Have you ever wondered if the likes of Grover Norquist or the Koch brothers would have a paid staff that writes thousands of letters to the editors of hundreds of newspapers?
     
    Does it sound plausible when you read something over and over and realize that no one except a billionaire could really think that way?
     
    Is it true that no matter how silly the premise, if you repeat it enough times, some people will believe it?
     
    Would you like to be one of the few people to know where all the money went and who took it?

     The name of the movie is Inside Job.
     
    The humble Farmer

  • Anonymous

    3 pieces of “high-tech navigation equipment would be needed.  1) a GPS unit  2) a decent Radar 3) a VHF radio.  #’s 1 and 3 could be bought for under $300 total.  Radar is a bit expensive, but very necassary.  Get yourself some “low-tech” charts and you’re good to go!

  • Anonymous

    They are awesome with metal roofs, used them before myself.  However, that does not automatically translate to being able build a boat. 

  • Anonymous

    don’t forget that former fire chief Bronson was at the “helm” of the failed hovercraft. Don’t think he is a reliable source for boat information…

  • Anonymous

    If you are referring to the “Hovercraft” that Bangor and Brewer purchased jointly, it was used from Grindstone to Vassalboro and points in between. They trained extensively on the Penobscot and Kenduskeag and went as far up river as Old Town.

    Where is it now? Well after it was destroyed when the fan blades hot the cowling it was sold.

    The question that keeps running through my mind is the Hovercraft was difficult to pass beneath the bridges on the Kenduskeag, how will a 25 foot fire boat?

  • Anonymous

    And why will the need to hire a MMA graduate?

  • Anonymous

    Read the story again. This did not go out to bid.
    -Eric Russell

  • Anonymous

    Read the story again. This did not go out to bid.
    -Eric Russell

  • Anonymous

    Read the story again. This did not go out to bid.
    -Eric Russell

  • Anonymous

    That is what drives me nuts.  I know its not a bad thing locally, but it makes me wonder where else we are spending this kind of money on things that are a not needed or worse, completely useless.  This is a small amount of money but someone on here pointed out there 45 million being spent on the Van Buren border crossing….How many podunk towns in ND, Montana and Minnesota are we spending the same or more?  I thought you could buy Van Buren for 45 Million…..

  • Anonymous

    that hovercraft was such a joke

  • Anonymous

    “Here’s to swimmin’ with bow-legged women!”

  • Anonymous

    Obviously not, since you don’t know how to spell it.

  • Anonymous

     The president’s middle name is “Hussein,” not “Huessien,” and his political affiliation is the “Democratic” not the “Democrat” party. You would have a whole lot more credibility if you got these simple things right. Then again, posting a person’s name over and over again as if it were some sort of perjorative does not give you much credibility to begin with.

  • listenuppeople

    What does Bangor have, 1 mile of water frontage??? It’s great they are getting high tech navigation system, it will prevent them from getting lost if they have to go over to the Brewer side of the river…  The Federal governments one size fits all money wasting machine.. . So what did the City of Bangor have to do to get homeland security money??? Did They Sell the Soul of Bangor for it???  Don’t get me wrong The BFD might need a boat yet everything comes with a price, nothing is free…. I just seems that we are all to blame for the federal money problems.. They hang a carrot (money) out there and we follow them around for a taste of it.. Has Bangor ever refused federal funding????

  • Anonymous

    Now you look dumb too.

  • Anonymous

    I am a MMA Alumni already employed by the City.  I would love a gig like that, especially at a buck twenty-five a year!!

  • Anonymous

    Remember the $700 toilets?

  • Anonymous

    Remember the $700 toilets?

  • Anonymous

    What part of the water front cannot be reached with a fire truck?

  • Anonymous

    No doubt it will be as useful as Brewer’s inflatable boat.

  • Anonymous

    No doubt it will be as useful as Brewer’s inflatable boat.

  • Anonymous

    Why does Bangor need a fire boat with high tegh Nav systems? Where are they going  Brewer?

  • Anonymous

    Why does Bangor need a fire boat with high tegh Nav systems? Where are they going  Brewer?

  • Anonymous

    And in the case of really big fire, like the ones at the WTC, a proper fireboat, while it might not fight the fire directly, can supply river water to the pump trucks that do, for a mighty long way off the river.

    How much of Bangor ( and Brewer) are six or seven blocks from the river ?
    Can you see that ?
    Now, how much of that  real estate contains vital infrastructure ?  

    Does that explain why the Dept. of Homeland Defense  made this grant, as was asked above ?  

  • Anonymous

    Hampden,  Winterport, Bucksport, Searsport, may-be even Rockland, and on a foggy night, too ?   

  • Anonymous

    Well, defending against the international terrorist threat is not cheap, is it ?
    Are you people not worried about terrorism, anymore ?

    Besides which party the POTUS is, whatelse about all that danger to America has changed ?

    I’m just asking you supporter of Bush’s overseas wars,
    why and when your feeling about Homeland Security hjas changed …. let me check my  high tech naviagation system, … yeah …  180 degrees?

  • Anonymous

    A Maine company building the the required boat would be a bad PR move,
    given the GOTea Party,  tax grumps, accendancy and disposure, even if a Maine boat builder could tool up and do it competively with a company that has specialized in this kind of boat .

    The  Koch (Bro.’s)  suckers will compare it to that silly hovercraft.
    Just you wait and see.

  • Anonymous

    If Bangor ever had a fire on the scale of the WTC it would require more help than one 25 foot fire boat could possibly deliver.

    Problem 1 – The issue you describe, drafting out of the river and pumping “a mighty long way off the river” has a problem called friction loss. Friction loss refers to that portion of pressure lost by fluids while moving through a pipe, hose, or other limited space. In laymen terms, as you increase pump pressure to pump water “a mighty long way off the river” the pressure of the water moving through the hose actually decreases as the distance from the pump increases. So how do you solve this issue? By adding relay engines (which boast the pressure) between your fire boat and the engine pumping water to a hose with a nozzle on the end that’s putting water on the fire.

    Problem 2 – The greater number of engines used to decrease friction loss also decreases the number of engines used to fight the fire.

    So how has Bangor handled this issue before? With those little red fire hydrants scattered all over the downtown area. The last major fire in the downtown was the Masonic Hall fire and that was handled without drafting river water to fight the fire.

    Q – “How much of Bangor ( and Brewer) are six or seven blocks from the river ?”

    A – Don’t know. How many fire hydrants are there in that same area?

    Because Bangor has such an extensive fire hydrant system they have one “Tanker” stationed in the western part of the city which helps cover that part of the city “off” the hydrant system.

    Q – “Does that explain why the Dept. of Homeland Defense  made this grant, as was asked above ?”

    A – Actually, no it doesn’t.

  • Anonymous

    If Bangor ever had a fire on the scale of the WTC it would require more help than one 25 foot fire boat could possibly deliver.

    Problem 1 – The issue you describe, drafting out of the river and pumping “a mighty long way off the river” has a problem called friction loss. Friction loss refers to that portion of pressure lost by fluids while moving through a pipe, hose, or other limited space. In laymen terms, as you increase pump pressure to pump water “a mighty long way off the river” the pressure of the water moving through the hose actually decreases as the distance from the pump increases. So how do you solve this issue? By adding relay engines (which boast the pressure) between your fire boat and the engine pumping water to a hose with a nozzle on the end that’s putting water on the fire.

    Problem 2 – The greater number of engines used to decrease friction loss also decreases the number of engines used to fight the fire.

    So how has Bangor handled this issue before? With those little red fire hydrants scattered all over the downtown area. The last major fire in the downtown was the Masonic Hall fire and that was handled without drafting river water to fight the fire.

    Q – “How much of Bangor ( and Brewer) are six or seven blocks from the river ?”

    A – Don’t know. How many fire hydrants are there in that same area?

    Because Bangor has such an extensive fire hydrant system they have one “Tanker” stationed in the western part of the city which helps cover that part of the city “off” the hydrant system.

    Q – “Does that explain why the Dept. of Homeland Defense  made this grant, as was asked above ?”

    A – Actually, no it doesn’t.

  • Anonymous

    If Bangor ever had a fire on the scale of the WTC it would require more help than one 25 foot fire boat could possibly deliver.

    Problem 1 – The issue you describe, drafting out of the river and pumping “a mighty long way off the river” has a problem called friction loss. Friction loss refers to that portion of pressure lost by fluids while moving through a pipe, hose, or other limited space. In laymen terms, as you increase pump pressure to pump water “a mighty long way off the river” the pressure of the water moving through the hose actually decreases as the distance from the pump increases. So how do you solve this issue? By adding relay engines (which boast the pressure) between your fire boat and the engine pumping water to a hose with a nozzle on the end that’s putting water on the fire.

    Problem 2 – The greater number of engines used to decrease friction loss also decreases the number of engines used to fight the fire.

    So how has Bangor handled this issue before? With those little red fire hydrants scattered all over the downtown area. The last major fire in the downtown was the Masonic Hall fire and that was handled without drafting river water to fight the fire.

    Q – “How much of Bangor ( and Brewer) are six or seven blocks from the river ?”

    A – Don’t know. How many fire hydrants are there in that same area?

    Because Bangor has such an extensive fire hydrant system they have one “Tanker” stationed in the western part of the city which helps cover that part of the city “off” the hydrant system.

    Q – “Does that explain why the Dept. of Homeland Defense  made this grant, as was asked above ?”

    A – Actually, no it doesn’t.

  • Anonymous

    If Bangor ever had a fire on the scale of the WTC it would require more help than one 25 foot fire boat could possibly deliver.

    Problem 1 – The issue you describe, drafting out of the river and pumping “a mighty long way off the river” has a problem called friction loss. Friction loss refers to that portion of pressure lost by fluids while moving through a pipe, hose, or other limited space. In laymen terms, as you increase pump pressure to pump water “a mighty long way off the river” the pressure of the water moving through the hose actually decreases as the distance from the pump increases. So how do you solve this issue? By adding relay engines (which boast the pressure) between your fire boat and the engine pumping water to a hose with a nozzle on the end that’s putting water on the fire.

    Problem 2 – The greater number of engines used to decrease friction loss also decreases the number of engines used to fight the fire.

    So how has Bangor handled this issue before? With those little red fire hydrants scattered all over the downtown area. The last major fire in the downtown was the Masonic Hall fire and that was handled without drafting river water to fight the fire.

    Q – “How much of Bangor ( and Brewer) are six or seven blocks from the river ?”

    A – Don’t know. How many fire hydrants are there in that same area?

    Because Bangor has such an extensive fire hydrant system they have one “Tanker” stationed in the western part of the city which helps cover that part of the city “off” the hydrant system.

    Q – “Does that explain why the Dept. of Homeland Defense  made this grant, as was asked above ?”

    A – Actually, no it doesn’t.

  • Anonymous

    If Bangor ever had a fire on the scale of the WTC it would require more help than one 25 foot fire boat could possibly deliver.

    Problem 1 – The issue you describe, drafting out of the river and pumping “a mighty long way off the river” has a problem called friction loss. Friction loss refers to that portion of pressure lost by fluids while moving through a pipe, hose, or other limited space. In laymen terms, as you increase pump pressure to pump water “a mighty long way off the river” the pressure of the water moving through the hose actually decreases as the distance from the pump increases. So how do you solve this issue? By adding relay engines (which boast the pressure) between your fire boat and the engine pumping water to a hose with a nozzle on the end that’s putting water on the fire.

    Problem 2 – The greater number of engines used to decrease friction loss also decreases the number of engines used to fight the fire.

    So how has Bangor handled this issue before? With those little red fire hydrants scattered all over the downtown area. The last major fire in the downtown was the Masonic Hall fire and that was handled without drafting river water to fight the fire.

    Q – “How much of Bangor ( and Brewer) are six or seven blocks from the river ?”

    A – Don’t know. How many fire hydrants are there in that same area?

    Because Bangor has such an extensive fire hydrant system they have one “Tanker” stationed in the western part of the city which helps cover that part of the city “off” the hydrant system.

    Q – “Does that explain why the Dept. of Homeland Defense  made this grant, as was asked above ?”

    A – Actually, no it doesn’t.

  • Anonymous

    If Bangor ever had a fire on the scale of the WTC it would require more help than one 25 foot fire boat could possibly deliver.

    Problem 1 – The issue you describe, drafting out of the river and pumping “a mighty long way off the river” has a problem called friction loss. Friction loss refers to that portion of pressure lost by fluids while moving through a pipe, hose, or other limited space. In laymen terms, as you increase pump pressure to pump water “a mighty long way off the river” the pressure of the water moving through the hose actually decreases as the distance from the pump increases. So how do you solve this issue? By adding relay engines (which boast the pressure) between your fire boat and the engine pumping water to a hose with a nozzle on the end that’s putting water on the fire.

    Problem 2 – The greater number of engines used to decrease friction loss also decreases the number of engines used to fight the fire.

    So how has Bangor handled this issue before? With those little red fire hydrants scattered all over the downtown area. The last major fire in the downtown was the Masonic Hall fire and that was handled without drafting river water to fight the fire.

    Q – “How much of Bangor ( and Brewer) are six or seven blocks from the river ?”

    A – Don’t know. How many fire hydrants are there in that same area?

    Because Bangor has such an extensive fire hydrant system they have one “Tanker” stationed in the western part of the city which helps cover that part of the city “off” the hydrant system.

    Q – “Does that explain why the Dept. of Homeland Defense  made this grant, as was asked above ?”

    A – Actually, no it doesn’t.

  • Anonymous

    If Bangor ever had a fire on the scale of the WTC it would require more help than one 25 foot fire boat could possibly deliver.

    Problem 1 – The issue you describe, drafting out of the river and pumping “a mighty long way off the river” has a problem called friction loss. Friction loss refers to that portion of pressure lost by fluids while moving through a pipe, hose, or other limited space. In laymen terms, as you increase pump pressure to pump water “a mighty long way off the river” the pressure of the water moving through the hose actually decreases as the distance from the pump increases. So how do you solve this issue? By adding relay engines (which boast the pressure) between your fire boat and the engine pumping water to a hose with a nozzle on the end that’s putting water on the fire.

    Problem 2 – The greater number of engines used to decrease friction loss also decreases the number of engines used to fight the fire.

    So how has Bangor handled this issue before? With those little red fire hydrants scattered all over the downtown area. The last major fire in the downtown was the Masonic Hall fire and that was handled without drafting river water to fight the fire.

    Q – “How much of Bangor ( and Brewer) are six or seven blocks from the river ?”

    A – Don’t know. How many fire hydrants are there in that same area?

    Because Bangor has such an extensive fire hydrant system they have one “Tanker” stationed in the western part of the city which helps cover that part of the city “off” the hydrant system.

    Q – “Does that explain why the Dept. of Homeland Defense  made this grant, as was asked above ?”

    A – Actually, no it doesn’t.

  • Moose

    With such a Hi Tech instrument vessel they are purchasing you need someone different then a janitor running it. MMA will cover it.

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